Indoor GreenBean's Grows

[Dankerson]

I mentioned no deficiencies with this grow. I bought a bag of recharge about a year ago. I dunno why I did, but I did. I mean, I have a lot of homemade compost though I don't like bringing it inside. I guess I bought the recharge just to try. It wasn't necessary or anything in my application. And I have often toyed with organic/non-organic fertigation. Though I don't necessarily consider anything that comes pre-packaged in a plastic bag, and then trucked around the globe as "organic". OMRI-ganic maybe? But you get the point. And I'm veering off topic.

I have found, that without fail, every single time I have used Recharge. Even a little. In a combination with FloraFlex. I get a deficiency/toxicity. Every time. It is 100% repeatable and provable in my case. I have even grown two plants side by side one with a little recharge here and there. And one without any whatsoever. Once again, the plant with Recharge always shows a deficiency to me. It usually presents itself as a mag deficiency too.

I've mentioned this before and people think I am bonkers. Anyone else? Well yeah. I have a friend that I turned onto Floraflex and he insists on using Recharge. He gets the issue. Every time. So...I'm not bashing Recharge. I don't think it necessarily necessary either with a healthy plant. Nor do I think it "hurts" in a lot of cases. But I obviously see issues with it and Floraflex. Just an observation that likely flies in the face of everything stated. YMMV. But yeah, no Recharge at all this round.

Funny you mention this, every single grow I've had using recharge has shown mg deficiency/lockout issues. I've been chasing my tail trying to figure it out. I've been suspicious it's the recharge but until you said this no one else has ever really mentioned it.

Thinking I'll just switch to living soil and call it a day.

 

[GreenBean]

Funny you mention this, every single grow I've had using recharge has shown mg deficiency/lockout issues. I've been chasing my tail trying to figure it out. I've been suspicious it's the recharge but until you said this no one else has ever really mentioned it.

Thinking I'll just switch to living soil and call it a day.

A-ha! So you are noticing the possibility too? I think I mentioned this awhile ago in somebodies grow dots thread (as something to rule issues out) and I sorta felt like a lunatic after I typed it. But it is 100% repeatable in my experience in my situation.

And yup, I have adjusted nute strengths after using it to see if I could stop it/ rule out a nute strength/ recharge combo as a possibility. Doesn't matter. Lower strength nutes, or brute force strength. Happens every time.

Even if I only use it in the seedling stage. Happens every time.

So yeah, please try without and let me know if you find a difference. Again, I don't think there is anything "wrong" with it. But unless the grow is exhibiting specific issues, I just don't think it's a necessary component. And may cause issues. Of course, they say it won't. But...

 

[Dankerson]

A-ha! So you are noticing the possibility too? I think I mentioned this awhile ago in somebodies grow dots thread (as something to rule issues out) and I sorta felt like a lunatic after I typed it. But it is 100% repeatable in my experience in my situation.

And yup, I have adjusted nute strengths after using it to see if I could stop it/ rule out a nute strength/ recharge combo as a possibility. Doesn't matter. Lower strength nutes, or brute force strength. Happens every time.

Even if I only use it in the seedling stage. Happens every time.

So yeah, please try without and let me know if you find a difference. Again, I don't think there is anything "wrong" with it. But unless the grow is exhibiting specific issues, I just don't think it's a necessary component. And may cause issues. Of course, they say it won't. But...

Yeah I agree, I first noticed it with my grow dots recharge only grows so I switched over to using compost teas and dots instead. Didn't run into any issues till later on when I tried to use recharge and it seems the more recharge I try to give them the worse it gets so it'll just go up on the shelf since they like the teas more. Hard to tell if it's the dots or the recharge but I'm more inclined to thing it's the recharge. At least with my combo of growing.

 

[DCLXVI]

I have had a similar thing happen. Not with Recharge but a different product. I suspect it is not a straight "deficiency" but rather the product unlocking so much "stuff" in the medium that it causes a lockout or OD of one thing causing a serious imbalance, etc... which then looks or is technically a lockout.

I've had it happen with BioAg's Ful-Power humic/fulvic supplement. It's 0 NPK but makes things more available and has always caused me an issue. Could be why they say you have to keep redosing with Recharge to keep the same balance and availability.

Or it could just be that it doesn't play nice with a lot of stuff. I find it so interesting how there are just loads of great growers on here but everyone has their own style, method, products, etc....

 

[GreenBean]

I have had a similar thing happen. Not with Recharge but a different product. I suspect it is not a straight "deficiency" but rather the product unlocking so much "stuff" in the medium that it causes a lockout or OD of one thing causing a serious imbalance, etc... which then looks or is technically a lockout.

I've had it happen with BioAg's Ful-Power humic/fulvic supplement. It's 0 NPK but makes things more available and has always caused me an issue. Could be why they say you have to keep redosing with Recharge to keep the same balance and availability.

Or it could just be that it doesn't play nice with a lot of stuff. I find it so interesting how there are just loads of great growers on here but everyone has their own style, method, products, etc....

I can get behind that theory. I always notice the issue with recharge fairly quickly in my instances. As mentioned, I have tried to play with nute strength to see if that will stop it, but it doesn't. I have tried to continue using it as well throughout the grow. The only remedy I have that will stop it from spreading is a little mag (epsom) at like 1/2 strength for a bit. And of course not using any more Recharge.

But I could see it compounding issues when one uses it when it's entirely not necessary. Hey. Sometimes I AM a MORE-ON. Just cuzzz. Let's see what happens!

So therein lies the key - for me. Maybe if something is going well, there's no need to fuck with it? Unless you like to break shit and figure out how to fix. Which sometimes I do.

I sound like I'm bashing. I am not. I just think...it's likely not needed in 99% of the cases.YMMV.

It sure IS interesting how we have so many methods. I think it comes down to knowing that a plant's only reason for existence is to reproduce. Any plant. And once that idea locks inside your mind, there are so many ways to get it to perform, and produce, the way one might want. I think all plants are fascinating AF. Sorta regret not becoming a botanist or something.

 

[GreenBean]

Day 31. Evening the canopies a little.

 

[GreenBean]

Day 35 for these ladies. Mango Smile on the right / Blackstrap on the left.

Mango is getting BIG. Bigger than she looks since I have been tightening her down and opening the canopy up to get everything as "even" as I can while I have time. One section of her is a little shorter. I had to start cleaning out the lower canopy on the taller section because it was time. I'll let the shorter section get a little taller before I do that for that section. Need to let it get a little taller over there so I can see what is what.

Blackstrap in no slouch either. Obviously more Indica and I have a feeling she's just getting started on going vertical. Same deal there, one section is a little shorter. So I'm letting her go a little longer before I decide on what needs to get cleaned up in the lower canopy.

I need to get better at remembering to plant my seeds a little off center when I don't plan on topping, and just plan to bend the main stem. But those sections will catch up.

Both of them are on B nutes now. 3g each of B1 and B2 per gallon of water. And 1.5g of Bulky B per gallon of water. No deficiencies.

Side note - I believe that my 320W Meanwell driver has began to fail. Noticed the tent was cooler than I expected. Was in there the other night and I got a little flicker = the bars got a lot brighter. Then they dimmed again. I went through every connection. Cleaned, retightened, you name it. Didn't solve the issue. Checked PPFD and I was only at about 500 10" from the light, that would normally be around 1100+.

Luckily I had my 480W driver in the shop, so I swapped them out and back in business. Obviously I have to run it a little dimmer because I was at like 1600PPFD. Kinda funny, but kinda sucks. Driver is only about 18 months old and has never been inside a tent. Luckily it's warrantied for 3 years from purchase by Atreum. So I need to get on that. Time flies.

Anyhow, there's my semi-regular ramble. Here's a couple quick photos. Shaping up to be a great run despite the driver thing.

 

[GreenBean]

I heard back from Atreum. They agree that the Meanwell 320W driver is failing and are working on a solution. We shall see what that entails. I would imagine either a driver replacement if they are even available right now. Or...??

I haven't seen too much info in my searches about Meanwells failing. I am a little surprised, especially since it's always been outside the tent. Maybe heat in the summer? Anyone ever had this happen?

 

[MrAutoGrower]

I heard back from Atreum. They agree that the Meanwell 320W driver is failing and are working on a solution. We shall see what that entails. I would imagine either a driver replacement if they are even available right now. Or...??

I haven't seen too much info in my searches about Meanwells failing. I am a little surprised, especially since it's always been outside the tent. Maybe heat in the summer? Anyone ever had this happen?

They can fail for many reasons bro but I agree that they are more than likely the most stabilised drivers these days. Hope you get it straightened out

WHat age were the girls when they went into flower? Mine don’t normally go into flower until around 35 days. Sometimes less though

 

[GreenBean]

They can fail for many reasons bro but I agree that they are more than likely the most stabilised drivers these days. Hope you get it straightened out

WHat age were the girls when they went into flower? Mine don’t normally go into flower until around 35 days. Sometimes less though

Mine tend to start flowering around day 30-ish?