Mephisto Genetics First run LOS, featuring Ripley's, Fugue, and Creme Stomper

[Organic Sinse]

Wow .....

Over 4 grams a watt ..... that’s off the charts .... have any been able to reproduce?

What brand light(s) or home made cob or kit ..... any other factors or sidelights involved ..... Photo or AF? Pot size?

Your average per plant is around 4 oz, if memory serves correct or rather if you get less than 4oz you consider failed grow ..... so what is average watt per gram over last X Months, any ideas?

The small plants are right about 1 gram/watt. The big plants I used to run were Dinafems XXLs, grown out to 90 days. Those are bred to be big plants, totally opposite from what MG does. I will see if I can find some pics, when I get home. 10 gal pots, similar soil to what I run now.

I am now running 2- 40 watt cobs per plant, 1 is a side light. they are citi 1212 cobs, home built. I run 1 4000k and one 3500k per plant, with the 3500k being a side light. I was running one at 50 and 1 at 40, but I have dimmed them down to 40 watts each. I could go really big on watts if needed, but its not. My heatsinks are giant and I can easily push em up to 80-100 watts, just don't.
cheers
os

 

[Organic Sinse]

I am sure you guys have mentioned more than once, but I am old and forget. What is your base soil of choice? I would imagine this is important, as I prefer certain Coco. Do you source it from somewhere or buy bagged? I started growing 20+ years ago, but went right to Hydro first. I saw my friend struggling with Organics, and bugs. So my first 7 years were DWC/Hydro. I moved to Coco, but treat it like Hydro. When you start with Hydro, the yields are hard to replicate when you switch to organics. You guys are getting excellent yields for organic growing. I know you guys use Neem oil and various stuff to detour bugs. That is my biggest concern. I have too much to lose by getting bugs. I dont want to get them and have to deal with getting rid of them. With all of the Organic material, how to you keep your bugs away? I don't like NEEM oil smell. I won't spray my plants, especially in or near flower with anything. Just wondering what you do to keep things clean. Awesome stuff guys . I love growing and sharing for this reason. We learn from each other. Peace, slow

I base my soil on home made 'leaf mold'. I also use home made compost. These are both fed to make my homemade vermicompost. The one thing that I do that's a little different is I use pine bark nuggets in my mixes. Bark is a great long term soil amendment. I am trying to emulate Hugelculture with the bark. Bark in mixes has been popular in certain places like Florida forever. I have never met anyone that has been real successful using coco based in this manner. It tends to be alright for the first round, but it seems like it doesn't "recycle" well. I know coco has a poor cation exchange capacity relative to peat or leaf mold. I also think coco clings onto the stuff you don't want like sodium. Not saying it can't be done, I just haven't heard of it working well for more than a cycle. I am sure a very determined, open minded person willing to experiment, could figure it out.
cheers
os

 

[MrOldBoy]

I base my soil on home made 'leaf mold'. I also use home made compost. These are both fed to make my homemade vermicompost. The one thing that I do that's a little different is I use pine bark nuggets in my mixes. Bark is a great long term soil amendment. I am trying to emulate Hugelculture with the bark. Bark in mixes has been popular in certain places like Florida forever. I have never met anyone that has been real successful using coco based in this manner. It tends to be alright for the first round, but it seems like it doesn't "recycle" well. I know coco has a poor cation exchange capacity relative to peat or leaf mold. I also think coco clings onto the stuff you don't want like sodium. Not saying it can't be done, I just haven't heard of it working well for more than a cycle. I am sure a very determined, open minded person willing to experiment, could figure it out.
cheers
os

Coco also holds moisture too long unlike pumice or lava that drains and aerates the soil .... thus no coco in a Coots Soil Mix, which is basically what many successful LOS recipes are based on .... there you have it ..... Sensi uses his own mix and OB uses store bought mixes and remixes and customizes to his specs ....... But both growers use their own castings and another common ingredient in both is peat moss, zero coco.

 

[MrOldBoy]

The small plants are right about 1 gram/watt. The big plants I used to run were Dinafems XXLs, grown out to 90 days. Those are bred to be big plants, totally opposite from what MG does. I will see if I can find some pics, when I get home. 10 gal pots, similar soil to what I run now.

I am now running 2- 40 watt cobs per plant, 1 is a side light. they are citi 1212 cobs, home built. I run 1 4000k and one 3500k per plant, with the 3500k being a side light. I was running one at 50 and 1 at 40, but I have dimmed them down to 40 watts each. I could go really big on watts if needed, but its not. My heatsinks are giant and I can easily push em up to 80-100 watts, just don't.
cheers
os

Good light, believe Timber uses the 1212 ..... Also nice work, guess hitting 2 grams a watt ain’t nothin so I’ll better pick up pace and look for 4.5 grams, gotta to keep up with the Sensi ..... (u r dreaming OB) .....

I’m running way more Watts, like 334 so I’ll need at least 668 grams from the two plants to get 2 grams, man that’s over an elbow (album for you new guys, I mean a pound) ..... I’ve dealt elbows and somehow It’s hard to see that kinda harvest but what the mind can believe it can achieve..... Now 4.5 grams / watt that math harvest would be closer to three elbows, that would be a crazy harvest from two plants.

Peace!

 

[Organic Sinse]

Good light, believe Timber uses the 1212 ..... Also nice work, guess hitting 2 grams a watt ain’t nothin so I’ll better pick up pace and look for 4.5 grams, gotta to keep up with the Sensi ..... (u r dreaming OB) .....

I’m running way more Watts, like 334 so I’ll need at least 668 grams from the two plants to get 2 grams, man that’s over an elbow (album for you new guys, I mean a pound) ..... I’ve dealt elbows and somehow It’s hard to see that kinda harvest but what the mind can believe it can achieve..... Now 4.5 grams / watt that math harvest would be closer to three elbows, that would be a crazy harvest from two plants.

Peace!

My personal best 13.4 oz, dried and jarred Nuggz. 84 days from seedling emergence. Dinafem Haze XXL.

Haze XXL 84 days

• Organic Sinse
• Mar 24, 2019

This one was 30” wide, 30” tall. I couldn’t fit her out the door to remove fan leaves and take better pics. I had to chunk her up to fit thru the door.
Like I said, those are bred to be big, ideal for someone with a 6 plant limit (like me). MG selects plants on a more quality basis, and are ok with smaller, but more plants in a space. I am just fine with how MG does things. I’m just a personal recreation type of grower. I like variety. 13 oz of the same flavor gets boring. In reality, I grew out 2 more of those hazes besides (bought 3 pack seeds), so I had even more than the one big plant.
Cheers
Os

 

[MrOldBoy]

My personal best 13.4 oz, dried and jarred Nuggz. 84 days from seedling emergence. Dinafem Haze XXL.

Haze XXL 84 days

• Organic Sinse
• Mar 24, 2019

This one was 30” wide, 30” tall. I couldn’t fit her out the door to remove fan leaves and take better pics. I had to chunk her up to fit thru the door.
Like I said, those are bred to be big, ideal for someone with a 6 plant limit (like me). MG selects plants on a more quality basis, and are ok with smaller, but more plants in a space. I am just fine with how MG does things. I’m just a personal recreation type of grower. I like variety. 13 oz of the same flavor gets boring. In reality, I grew out 2 more of those hazes besides (bought 3 pack seeds), so I had even more than the one big plant.
Cheers
Os

Your my hero, bro that’s fantastic, jumbo breed or not .... Plant consumed a lot of food to get that size, says a lot for your soil mix .... your dialed in .....

As I study the photo have to wonder if a third light wouldn’t of produced even more, not increase gram per wat, in fact may of decreased but gotta wonder if you could of broke 16oz, any thoughts on that?

Also, what did main cola weigh and that monster bud on left? Was monster bud more direct under light?

Sorry if I ask too many questions but curious mind wants to know!

 

[Organic Sinse]

Your my hero, bro that’s fantastic, jumbo breed or not .... Plant consumed a lot of food to get that size, says a lot for your soil mix .... your dialed in .....

As I study the photo have to wonder if a third light wouldn’t of produced even more, not increase gram per wat, in fact may of decreased but gotta wonder if you could of broke 16oz, any thoughts on that?

Also, what did main cola weigh and that monster bud on left? Was monster bud more direct under light?

Sorry if I ask too many questions but curious mind wants to know!

That was last winter. Now you have me thinking.
I suppose more light could have helped. Its hard to say though. I always remember the law of minimums, and I bet that something else would be a limiting factor. I was pretty new with my cobs back then. I was just really getting dialed in with using cobs as side lights. Believe it or not, I got it right from day 1, and don't do anything different. I schemed up some brackets that hang from 'yo-yo' hangers to attach to the heat sink/cob assembly. I made them so I could hang the yoyo anywhere I wanted and angle it appropriately. The trick is even down at 40 watts, remember to keep them far away, or high enough, that you don't 'fade' leaves. I still forget every once in a while to adjust them. Its a DOH moment when that happens. (did it the other day)
I don't remember what the main cola weighed.
The monster bud on the left.- I turn the plants twice every day. What I did was train something really goofy to make that one so big. I was kind of 'winding' when I trained it, and ended up with a bigger area left open for that branch. It really liked the space and the extra rays!
Out of the 3 of those Haze XXLs that is the only one that turned out like that. The others were more sativa like, with every single bud being giant and uniform, top to bottom.

That reminds me of another grow tip. If you look at that pick, you can see every single one of those branches is supported with Velcro. I have always felt that supporting those down low when the start to really bud allow the plant to use its energy to pack on the buds, and not hold itself up. The right time to tie em up, is when you don't need the stakes holding them down anymore. This is something that I have practiced in veggie gardening for years. I haven't really been doing lately, in my canna grows. I better get back to that practice, I have few that will benefit from that little tech.
cheers
os

 

[MrOldBoy]

That was last winter. Now you have me thinking.
I suppose more light could have helped. Its hard to say though. I always remember the law of minimums, and I bet that something else would be a limiting factor. I was pretty new with my cobs back then. I was just really getting dialed in with using cobs as side lights. Believe it or not, I got it right from day 1, and don't do anything different. I schemed up some brackets that hang from 'yo-yo' hangers to attach to the heat sink/cob assembly. I made them so I could hang the yoyo anywhere I wanted and angle it appropriately. The trick is even down at 40 watts, remember to keep them far away, or high enough, that you don't 'fade' leaves. I still forget every once in a while to adjust them. Its a DOH moment when that happens. (did it the other day)
I don't remember what the main cola weighed.
The monster bud on the left.- I turn the plants twice every day. What I did was train something really goofy to make that one so big. I was kind of 'winding' when I trained it, and ended up with a bigger area left open for that branch. It really liked the space and the extra rays!
Out of the 3 of those Haze XXLs that is the only one that turned out like that. The others were more sativa like, with every single bud being giant and uniform, top to bottom.

That reminds me of another grow tip. If you look at that pick, you can see every single one of those branches is supported with Velcro. I have always felt that supporting those down low when the start to really bud allow the plant to use its energy to pack on the buds, and not hold itself up. The right time to tie em up, is when you don't need the stakes holding them down anymore. This is something that I have practiced in veggie gardening for years. I haven't really been doing lately, in my canna grows. I better get back to that practice, I have few that will benefit from that little tech.
cheers
os

Good trick on the ties, may need if buds get as large as yours ...... Getting closer with my Gals, looks like 3 Bears will be first to complete out of the four I started ...... attached pics of my other two girls in my first tent, little 5 foot high 2x4 .... 3 Bears and Strawberry Nugs.

Peace,
OB

 

[Roasty McToasty]

First off, sorry guys for not replying for a bit. Been super busy and haven't had time other than read and like stuff. Trying to take in all this knowledge you guys are dropping in here. Somehow I missed these post/questions.

Some more nice work .... What ya thinking on grams / watt on those girls?

You’re working in a 8x8 ya?

I don't know g/w, but I can tell you it's not going to be good. I see maybe 70-80 grams on ghost toof, and maybe 50 grams on white crack. The tent is a 3×3 with 6 Vero 29 3500k diy cobs. Pushing around 300w altogether. Those 2 plants reside under 3 of the cobs, so I guess 150w and maybe 130 grams, not real great. Feeding the plants organicly is no way to grow, feeding the soil from now on.
I know you recommend 10G plus size pots, but I like to limit plant size as I like small and medium size plamts. Kind of think these 7G will grow them bigger than I like.

What size pot did you use on these? My "Organic" attempts were for surely were effected by small pot. Right off the bat, Organics and small pots don't balance each other out like Coco and nutes. Plants get rootbounding effects and run out of Steam in flower using small pots does not allow for the plants to have enough food for the full grow. You wind up playing "catch up" which never works like Nutes do. I am excited to watch your LOS grow. I know you will do a great job, but I won't be used to seeing your plants in big ass pots! Good luck

Yeah slow, totally agree. The white crack is in a 2.5-3.0 gallon hempy pot, the ghost Toof is in a 3.9G Autopot that is just hand watered.

Yeah these 7G fabric pots are effing huge compared to the lil blue pots.

 

[MrOldBoy]

First off, sorry guys for not replying for a bit. Been super busy and haven't had time other than read and like stuff. Trying to take in all this knowledge you guys are dropping in here. Somehow I missed these post/questions.



I don't know g/w, but I can tell you it's not going to be good. I see maybe 70-80 grams on ghost toof, and maybe 50 grams on white crack. The tent is a 3×3 with 6 Vero 29 3500k diy cobs. Pushing around 300w altogether. Those 2 plants reside under 3 of the cobs, so I guess 150w and maybe 130 grams, not real great. Feeding the plants organicly is no way to grow, feeding the soil from now on.
I know you recommend 10G plus size pots, but I like to limit plant size as I like small and medium size plamts. Kind of think these 7G will grow them bigger than I like.



Yeah slow, totally agree. The white crack is in a 2.5-3.0 gallon hempy pot, the ghost Toof is in a 3.9G Autopot that is just hand watered.

Yeah these 7G fabric pots are effing huge compared to the lil blue pots.

Cool Beans Brother - All Good ...... the pics I attached are both in seven gallons as is gold Glue so I have got three in seven gallon or about 22 quarts of soil and rest mulch and drainage, which is generous, I used porous lava and got broken bag at box store for $1 and broke into smaller pieces - anyways you’ll be fine with 7 gallons, just allow room for compost and amendments on top .... out of the gate you’ll add thin layer compost, top dressings I do two different with Gro-Kashi being one, go to Gro-Kashi.com and buy direct, two bags $40 shipped or amazon for $25 or something like that .... the other amendment I use at start is Craft Blend available at buildasoil ..... then compost from worm bin or high quality compost from buildasoil or KIS Organics then straw mulch over that .... water in each ingredient as you go, LIGHTLY with. with SPRAY .... dampen everything but not too much ..... as time passes I continue adding small amounts of amendments, like plastic spoons full couple sprinkled and more compost from bin, worms and straw ..... rinse repeat and get even more specialized with the amendments ...... you gotta have some EM1 and mammoth p to activate those micro guys, you want life under that mulch .....

You’ll continue to lightly spray the mulch for weeks on end, constantly until one day the plants roots will demand more than what the spray is providing ..... this whole water thing is oh so important- you cannot do cycle watering where soil,dries, you’ll kill the soil ..... I know this is lengthy but to make it simpler, think about keeping the worms alive, you wouldn’t let the soil dry on them .....

There are auto water systems you can use and SIP Comtainers, which I may go to entirely next grow, eliminates soil bug issues with SIPs and they maintain just right amount of moisture all the time .....

From looks of the 3 Bears OG 60 days old in 7 gal I see for sure 90+ Cured as she sits but still 9-12 days remain .... @Organic Sinse says if you can’t get four oz from something is wrong so with 3 Bears I expect that 115-125 range .....

This I can attest to, the buds on every plant are hard, especially Sam’s, even the tips, hard and learned yesterday while studying about Refractors and BRIX Scale that leafs that exhibit a waxy appearance, such as Sam’s, have high BRIX Levels ..... Guys I saw had BRIX of 18 and his leaves look shiny/ waxy - bingo baby ...also,stated with levels over 12, pests are not an issue - get your Brix over 14 and kiss ALL pests goodbye ..... pretty exciting this Brix stuff, I never knew ....
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@slowandeasy .... I hear ya, maybe big / fat / ugly but they sure can cook up some rock hard buds