EverythingsHazy's Breeding Thread

I tried taking a pic of the laser going through the solution for ya but it seems no matter what I do I can't get the particles to show up on "film" it just looks like a red beam. They're super tiny and there's a sh!tl@^d of 'em.

You could wire a lower voltage power supply (plug end) right to your box there. Just a thought.
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Just saw you said that at end of last post.
 
Give this a read. It addresses the colloidal vs ionic subject very well IMHO
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/colloidalversusionicsilvercontroversy19may09.shtml

That's a good article. The part that is a bit confusing tho is this:
Nano size silver: It was more commonly called mono atomic silver a few years ago. When you produce colloidal silver using a HIGH VOLTAGE AC CURRENT (8-12 KV) , you fracture the atom clusters into much smaller units, even down to one atom, thus the name. You still produce silver cations, but this time they are clustered in such small bundles that you no longer get a reflection of the yellow wavelength and therefore the solution will look perfectly clear, whether it's a highly concentrated or low concentrate solution.
The yellow color you got is typical of colloidal silver made with a low voltage (usually DC) process, using distilled water. The yellow gets darker as you increase the ppm content of the silver ions.​
You can send a lab a sample of low voltage colloidal silver and get back a report on the size of the particles. You can also measure the RELATIVE ppm with a TDS meter. Assuming you started with triple distilled water, if you just add silver ions to it, the ppm registered on the TDS meter will be the relative concentration of the silver ions. We then label the measurement as xxx ppm, TDS, to tell you how it was measured. There are some companies that sell a meter that claims to accurately measure the ppm of colloidal silver, but I haven't checked them out yet.​
The degree of saturation of the yellow color is a cheap and easy way to gauge the concentration. You could rig a photo diode to give you a readout and plot your ppm if you wanted to do that. I keep a series of lab measured vials with different ppm of CS and have them marked on the vial. You just hold up a vial of known ppm against the batch you are making and can quickly determine the ppm by eye. It's not hard at all and you save the expense of sending out lab samples.

Why is it that you guys are getting clear solution with 5-7v vs 8-12KV? It also says that the yellow is normal. Just means there are some bigger particles. Which for plants is fine. But also, it seems impossible to get with any of our generators at such a high voltage. That's the confusing thing about cs. All articles that make sense with one thing contradict another article on something else lol.


Also from that same site:
Why is Colloidal Silver Made with Your Generator More Yellow Than Store Bought CS? (May 17, 2009) From: Henrietta A
To: Ken Adachi
Subject: thanks and a question
Date: May 17, 2009​
Dear Ken,

I just wanted to thank you again for the cs generator and the marvelous directions you included. Your attention to detail is impeccable and I'd like you to know I followed them to a T.​
My question is this: The color of the finished product is exactly as you said it would be, yet that color is so very different than the c/s that
we are used to purchasing in the health food store. Could you take a moment of your very busy day and explain why that is so?​
Let me add that I have a ceramic cooktop stove and not a gas one. I hope thats okay. Again thanks for everything Ken, your expertise has given me the freedom to help me by helping myself. There is no greater gift in my opinion.

Warm regards,
Henrietta A​
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Hi Henrietta,​
Thanks for your comments and glad you could make the CS successfully.​
There are three possible reasons why the health food store CS is lighter or clear in color:​
1. Low concentration: This is the most common reason. Many years ago, I took my mini laser pen with me when I went to health food stores to shine through the CS bottles on the shelves and get an idea what the concentration of their CS was. Typically, it showed a very low particle back scatter compared to the stuff that I made at home. I would get a very thin laser track from the health food store, but a very thick laser track from homemade CS. The more concentrated the solution, the darker the yellow color.​
2. Fallout:: Commercially made CS does not use the type of CS generator I make, nor do they use the production protocol which I spell out in the 5 pages of instructions included with the generator. I learned of the production protocol from a man named Merlin Wolf when I was attending the Bob Beck breakfast meetings back in the mid 1990s. The protocol explained in the instructions is half the secret and the generator design itself is the other half of the secret of making perfect CS that will last for years without precipitating out of solution. When commercial stuff falls out of solution, the silver atoms are no longer suspended and evenly distributed throughout the solution, so naturally, the solution now looks clear. The silver will fall out as a silver salt and cling to the bottom or sides of the glass bottle. You have to look real hard with a bright light to see it. I recently found one web site that has copied my generator design idea, but had automated the reversal process. I intentionally DIDN'T automate the reversal process because the participation of the human mind with focused intent WHILE making the CS is a big part of the quality and longevity of the CS. Bob Beck told me after getting one of my generators and following my protocol exactly, that he found it to be the highest dowsed reading of any CS that he had ever tested. That really blew me away because I learned about making CS yourself at home from the talks given by Dr Bob Beck!​
3. There is another process for making CS that uses high voltage AC. Very few commercial manufacturers will use the high voltage process, but if they do, then their CS will look clear in color. With the high voltage variety, you can't see the atom clusters with a laser pen, so you need to use a TDS meter to read the concentration. The solution will appear absolutely clear despite the concentration of CS, so you must use a meter to measure it. However, you can sense a higher concentration by the degree of metallic taste.

Does this guy know what he is talking about, or not? It's confusing.
 
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That's a good article. The part that is a bit confusing tho is this:


Why is it that you guys are getting clear solution with 5-7v vs 8-12KV? It also says that the yellow is normal. Just means there are some bigger particles. Which for plants is fine. But also, it seems impossible to get with any of our generators at such a high voltage. That's the confusing thing about cs. All articles that make sense with one thing contradict another article on something else lol.


Also from that same site:


Does this guy know what he is talking about, or not? It's confusing.

its because some people say things out of their ass because in their mind it sounds good or right

no matter what you read and how intelligent it may sound , it could be total crap , you said it yourself , we are getting a clear solution using low voltage , kinda blows away that person or ppls theory now doesnt it

and no , big particles are not ok for plants , we are trying to penetrate the epidermal layer of the plant , not smear it on the leaves or clog the pores

everything you need to know is posted on THIS site , and done so by people like yourself , not someone trying to make a buck or gain fame in the chemistry world

you also have to take in the fact that there will be a lot of articles published to make c.s. sound bad , and a lot published so a normal person making theirs at home would FAIL , so in turn they will publish known bad info opposite from the truth or real way of doing things , big pharma does not want us able to heal ourselves

dont believe everything you read

peace
 
I ignored the practical size/voltage part. Just thought he explained ionic vs colloidal part well. Which is what I was referring to. I should've said that.
 
I ignored the practical size/voltage part. Just thought he explained ionic vs colloidal part well. Which is what I was referring to. I should've said that.

honestly , i think he is full of shit

i know ive got a lot of posts a person would have to go through , but ive used some of my c.s. that was 5 months old , it hadnt settled , it stayed in a colloidal form and worked just fine , one thing i hadnt mentioned , one of the elderly ladies i supply c.s. to for health/medical reasons was over one day and unexpectedly mentioned she was in need of some c.s. , all i had at the time was that 5 month old stuff that was actually then over a year old , upon inspection it was still fine and full of suspended particles or "colloids"

so yeah , from my own experience id say that guy was talking out of his ass in an attempt to seem knowledgeable and important

its good though that yourself and others read and study , just please remember what i keep saying , dont believe everything you read , yes i realise you could say that means what you read from me as well , just remember , im here to help , no hidden motive or agenda

peace

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I ignored the practical size/voltage part. Just thought he explained ionic vs colloidal part well. Which is what I was referring to. I should've said that.

honestly , i think he is full of shit

i know ive got a lot of posts a person would have to go through , but ive used some of my c.s. that was 5 months old , it hadnt settled , it stayed in a colloidal form and worked just fine , one thing i hadnt mentioned , one of the elderly ladies i supply c.s. to for health/medical reasons was over one day and unexpectedly mentioned she was in need of some c.s. , all i had at the time was that 5 month old stuff that was actually then over a year old , upon inspection it was still fine and full of suspended particles or "colloids"

so yeah , from my own experience id say that guy was talking out of his ass in an attempt to seem knowledgeable and important

its good though that yourself and others read and study , just please remember what i keep saying , dont believe everything you read , yes i realise you could say that means what you read from me as well , just remember , im here to help , no hidden motive or agenda

peace
 
I agree..... As soon as he starts talking about "his" vs "store bought" and how his generator is the only one that does it right, he's talking to promote himself and his product. Which is to be expected with someone trying to sell there "product". However as far a I can tell, so far at least, the part before that were he's is talking about ionic vs non-ionic and the definition of colloidal isn't bs. The whole article should be taken with a grain of salt like everything you read.
 
depending on what you read you could come up with completely different views on what a colloid is , here is some reading that will explain that it does not matter how it is made , it could be done by grinding or scraping to get fine silver particles , it could be done with electricity , it could be done many ways , but this article proves the guy selling a generator is full of shit , ionic or whatever you want to call it , it is STILL "colloidal silver" and has been documented as such since the 1800's,,,,,,,

Colloids


A colloid is one of the three primary types of mixtures, with the other two being a solution and suspension. A colloid is a solution that has particles ranging between 1 and 1000 nanometers in diameter, yet are still able to remain evenly distributed throughout the solution. These are also known as colloidal dispersions because the substances remain dispersed and do not settle to the bottom of the container. In colloids, one substance is evenly dispersed in another. The substance being dispersed is referred to as being in the dispersed phase, while the substance in which it is dispersed is in the continuous phase.Properties of Colloids

In order to be classified as a colloid, the substance in the dispersed phase must be larger than the size of a molecule but smaller than what can be seen with the naked eye. This can be more precisely quantified as one or more of the substance's dimensions must be between 1 and 1000 nanometers. If the dimensions are smaller than this the substance is considered a solution and if they are larger than the substance is a suspension.



going back to what the other article posted earlier said , he said some mumbo jumbo about if it is made with electricity it will settle and is not a colloidal silver , but my own experience with the 1 gallon jug id made and given away at over a year old says he is talking out of his ass and does not actually know what he is talking about , he uses big words and scientific terms to fool people into believing what he says to be true

peace


 
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What I took form it is that colloidal silver IS ionic silver and the separation into two different categories isn't really all that relevant. No more no less.

@hazy .... Sorry about the hijacking, it wasn't my intent.
 
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I'm pretty sure it's cuz one is positively charged and one is negatively charged. If I'm remembering correctly one gunks up and needs to be wiped and the other one erodes. But I've never visually seen anything like in your pics. It's like you can see the current. Lol

What I took form it is that colloidal silver IS ionic silver and the separation into two different categories isn't really all that relevant. No more no less.

@hazy .... Sorry about the hijacking, it wasn't my intent.


No prob. I made this thread to collect a bunch of info as well as document some breeding projects.


Toko a couple pollen sacs that were opening up off of my purple kush and they were still wet/unripe so no pollen came out. GOing to let the other ones mature more before picking anymore out. Only took 5 little balls off. This homemade stuff is cool lol It's weird to see the plant making pollen sacs without being burned at all by the solution.

It would be pretty easy (it looks) to desoldr the wires connectingthe 24v apdapter to my generators electrode holding clips, and re-solder on a striped 5v adapter I have, but I have to get a soldering iron and some solder first lol.The wires in the 5v adapter are frayed (a bunch of thin wires in each little coating that can be twisted together to act as one I here I guess. Might just do that, (switch adapters). It is much easier to use it with the little plastic box holding the clips and such without it looking all cheap and homemade and flimsy.


The plant still has some pistils which is prob because it could've been sprayed more (waited till some pistils showed first to ensure it was a fem), and it may still be in the reversal process, so it is still being sprayed until the first batch of pollen is harvested from it.
 
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