My youngest plant turned the leave like this. She is 3 days old...This means something?
Dutch Passion DP Ultimates first
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yes, for sure, as this will ensure your grow medium temperature is maintained at 2c to 3c below air temp ok........ that is very important, to keep your soil temp in range of 22c to 26c.............
That is very good news................... when i first started growing, i only used bottled water as has the correct salt and mineral ballance and Ph is good also to confirm this content...........
i had a look at the filters white'ty,............... not a problem as the are not the "Resin Exchange" filters, as they just swap Sodium" for other salts.................. so not good for growing with resin exchanged water ok.................... your two filters, red and blue are "Mechanical / Physical" filters so no ion exchange ok............. due to the size of the filters (Small Volume) i would change them every 2 to 3 months maximum.............. as you are going to bo using up to 3ltrs per day ?? x 100 days, so 300ltrs over 100 days 3 months grow will need two filter cartridge sets at the minimum white'ey ok..................... plus home use on top ??........
post before and after water test samples Ec & Ph straight out of the filter and tap the day you fit filter, so we can see what it is removing ok.......
I say mix salty (calcium carbonate & Chlorine) tap water with bottled water, at a ratio of 1 part tap water to two part bottled water. To lift the salt content of the bottled water "Very Slightly", your adding alkaline tap water salts to the bottled water, to "Buffer" it. This only is necessary if you have "Hard" tap water with 250ppm = Ec0.3 of hard tap water salt in your drinking tap water. If your are on "Soft" tap water............... you wont need to.......................... i will be able to tell, when you post before and after results when you fit filter.... we just need to get the alkaline salt content of youe made base water, you are going to use to make up your feeds ok white'ty............... will run through when we get there ok............... just use bottled water for now not a prob, ensure it is warmed to room temp before you feed it ok,............ dont want cold water root shock ok............. not good..... hence root temps as above.........
what this means is, you must wet the soil right to the bottom of the pot, on one occasion, this is so the roots can work there way down "In Damp" soil. Otherwise if not wet or damp, the roots wont enter the area ok as its to dry compared to where they are !!!.................... once wetted, reduce water volume to an amount they are drinking ok.......................IT IS IMPORTANT TO FEED ROOT STIMULANTS FROM DAY 1 !!...... Like "Rizotonic".... is a top hormone root stim............................ we stop the root stim when we go to flower ok..........
1.5ltrs might be a bit high for these little seedlings.................... as long as water "Columb" is damp top to bottom, not a prob............... water "Columb" is soil volume from top to bottom of pot the upright soil columb, must be wetted from top to bottom, early on so root can find the bottom of pot............ you may not be aware that these fems will drink 3ltrs a day from the end of veg around 35 days old, when we flip em to 12/12, if internode staggering has begun by then etc............
in 20ltr airpots you will use morew than 3ltrs, more like 5ltrs each per day, as water is lost from airpots, rapidly, as your room will be at the right temperature right ......... your little two stage filter will be working flat out 20ltrs every other day when we get going with feeds in airpots................... the 'Transevaporation Potential" with airpots is doubled due to mass of holes, letting much needed co2 and oxygen in !! the price is increased water needs ok........ your room being at the correct temperature also corrects your relative humidity. As RH is a functuion of temperature............... green range is target.................... self regulated at 27-28c in the grow room........
bubbled bottled water.............. as superb base reservoir water quality !!! i would recommend using only bottled water if you could !!!................ as tap water if salty, is usually trouble !!............. if you maintain your tap water filters red & blue, you may get round this issue....................
Ph down in veg period needs to be a "Nitrogen" based Ph down, such as "Nitric Acid".................. in flower we use a "Phosphate Po4" based Ph down which is good for flowers, where nitrogen is not so good for flowers....... asd a Ph down..............
Your bubbled bottled water Ec0.6 and Ph is 8 !!....................... is due to the fact that your bottled water has no oxygen in it straight out of the 5ltr bottles.................... so when you "Aerate" or "Re-Gas" the water................... the oxygen (Alkaline) pushes up the Ph, as oxygen shows up on your Ph meter as an alkaline source............ so Ph is elevated post "Aeration" and this is superb, as "Oxygen" is "Fed" to the baby seedlings, potentiating growth................ along with the nute, and root stim, also needs oxygen to work well.........
Ph of final feed for seedling during veg is "Ph 6.3"..................as nute uptake chart.......... nitrogen likes to be taken up at Ph6.3.............................. by the time we are week 5 flower, your Ph of feed will be 6.8-7.0......... you nute only Ec will be 0.95....................... before we RO flush the plants for 7 days before harvest to purify the flowers and detox the root matrix of un-used salts and nutrients residues, this potentiates the terpeenes of the flower,........... classic Dutch boost on the nose post "Cure" = cure = "De-Carboxylation" process.......
White'ty................ if i am to guide you through the journey to harvest, from now till end............... i will need you to post your nutrient pack and bottles or what ever you are using, up hetre.
That is; On the back of bottle it will give you the "NPK" ratio, "Example" below
Make is;
Topbottleshooter is; N 12, P 6, K 9,................ so list make, then NPK on the back ok........
If you are low on nutrients and due to replace old, or stale nutrientas; i recomend you buy this group; as they are of good concentration, and last a good while due to that........
GreenAir's "Genesis" nutrients = 1ltr bottles Grow A + Microbase + Bloom + Ultra PK, these are what i use............ and are top order nute matched complexes............... no cost cut here in formulation either ok......
feed an Ec of 0.4 nutrient only to the seedlings right now ok................ room temp is up so all good there......... using bottled water for now is good also for now.................... make sure your feed water is pre warmed to root temp before you feed your 200ml to 500ml............ water volume at the moment ok...................... when you soak your dry grow medium to the bottom do it with the low nute Ec0.3, at same temp as grow medium adding in the "ROOT STIMULANT" last to the water when you make your feed,........... Ph it to 6.3 then feed it........
At 4no 500ml feeds you will be attempting to Ph 2ltrs of feed water................. better to make 5ltrs, use what you need "FRESH" then tip the rest away..................... as root stim cant be kept for days in water.............. as its a bacterial feed also !!............................always make "FRESH FEEDS", feed them fresh and refill res with new clean water for aeration as you are now ok.............................. re-read this, so it can be "Digested"...... and remembered ok white'ty.................................will be back in, every time you post a response and like my post, i will get notice you have been back in ok................. ALR
ALR
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White'ty................. do not worry, at all re the seedlings health ok.......................... i am watching ok................. sativas (Not So Much INdicas) show mild sensitivity's when very "Very" young little babbies .............. the new lightmix has a Ph, and some nutes at low levels also in it....the plants finds the Ph.................. and has to adjust to it's new medium and "environment", light levels and many other factors ok it knows it will be living in.................
Feed them as instructed above.................. every other day 200 to 300ml nute Ec at 0.3 to 0.4 is fine at the moment ok............ you have lights at 36inch one meter, if they begin to stretch quite a bit, we will need to lower light but not yet ok........ keep the room at right temp we have discussed allready ok....... sit back and relax.......... you have a "Dutch Passion" grow master, assisting you.
The two pots you added, highly alkaline, slake "lime" to, they, those pots affected with lime, may still throw issues yet, as we move along ok......(We can flush this out though if need be)................ you should have dropped the lime all together, White'ty for the new seeds and lightmix also new......................
Why would you re visit, the old negative additive outcome ?? provoke issues you had already experienced as negative ??..................... never mind now though, the amount you put in was greatly less than the 3tbls in 4.5ltr of soil "Ouch""................ 'Ouch"............. burnt, ouch.................... not to worry now over spilt milk ok.............. the new amount of lime added to two pots, is so low, hopefully we wont get a nutrient antagonistic outcome ....ALR
ADDENDUM;
White'ty............. i cant see where you have actually named what strain and type (Sativa / Indica)? your 4 seedlings are ??............. same as the ones you pulled up and binned ?? or different ??...... post yup ok........... i need to reed on their peculiar perpendicularity's etc.....!
WHAT ARE THE AUTO'S YOU ARE GROWING ??? !! Would like to know what im pushing up the hill
.............. post up the link where you got em, and the seed company etc ok................. na probs ALRHOW DID YOU GERMINATE ON PAPER TOWLS ??.......... IN WATER ?? HOW White'ty
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Hello ALR. I havent feed anything yet. I give them just plain water with ph down to 6.5 ph
Here i think i have a problem? This is my ph down and its phosphate. Its 0-15-0...OMG....
Sure, but i have a lot of bottles. See ALR i saw a member in AFN named A-train and tryied to follow his schedule. I did everything he says in his grow journals. So i bought all the nutes he included in his feeding schedule. I also have the feeding schedule if you like i can post it. He used the garden lime. Ofcourse i dont have an idea what im doing and this is the results....Anyway back to the nutrients....I will post a photo with all of them
ALR, if i understand well, what you are saying is that i need to soak all the pot with root stimulant? I didnt do it at the begining. I just give them little bit of plain water nothing else.... Now at day 5 its ok to do it? And how to soak the medium? I should water near the plant base or water all the pot around? For 20ltrs airpot its ok to use 3ltrs of water with root stimulant?
I am very thankfull to hear so many positive advices from all the members in AFN. Thank you for analyzing each step ALR.
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Instructed above is to soak the airpot (20ltr_pot=3ltr water?)(15ltr_pot=2ltr water?) with root stimulant (voodoo juice or piranha or both?) @ ph 6.3 Correct? How many ml per litre of root stimulant to add here ALR?
I just want to make sure if i have to soak the medium first...In the schedule i am following from Atrain the first 10 days its plain ph'ed water and after he adds base nutes with root stimulants....wtf im very lost right now
What i should do i dont know reallyYou work in Dutch Passion Labs ALR? I want to say a big
for being here and helping me out!! Good karma to you and your family my friend.Lets see. Hopefully with the right temps i have now roots will work better the soil and dont let the EC fly away like before? I dont know but the member i copy his grow journals added garden lime almost in all his grows. As i undesrtand lime in the correct quantity adjusts the ph to 7. This guy was saying that in this way you can feed with ph water @ 6 and when the ph is sliding to 7 the roots absorbs all kind of things in the medium. This phrase he said made me use the lime. Also he said its working with light mixes soil mediums including Biobizz...
From reading about this dolomite lime i understand that it releases calmag after 3-4 weeks mixed in soil. So this means when flowering starts the soil will give extra calmag....correct?
I hope we dont run into many problems. For the experiment i didnt add the lime to the other pot. Lets see how it will turn out...
So i bought my seeds from dinafem as they have ups shipping. Last time some years ago i try to order for a friend from another seed company and i choose the normal shipping by the post because they didnt had ups or dhl option and post office here sent me the cd after 3 months! with seeds missing
i was getting paranoid but nothing happened. The funny thing is that they sent me the empty cd. I guess someone from post office took the seeds? Weird things...So ALR, i thing you will be happy to hear that the 20ltr pots are filled with 2 DP auto ultimates.
The other 2 15ltr pots have an Amnesia xxl from dinafem and Quick Critical + 3.
I was lucky to germinate in cold water (about 15 C). After a day in glass of water i added them to the paper towl and into a nylon bag. After 2-3 days small roots and straight to the final pot. Until now i have 100% germ rate. (atleast i mastered the first level)
just pour in the ph6.3 Ec0.3 water at 23c white'ty.............. untill you see the water appear at bottom in the catcher tray................. add 500mls then wait for hydration, 2mins, then another 500mls........... and so on till you see "Run Off" at 20 & 15 ltr pots ok............. include root stim
yes feed at 6.3 in veg, untill i otherwsie notify you ok................... take the Ph of the 4no "Runn Off's" and post them here.......
on this occasion, you can go by the labeled instructions on the root stim bottle, dose at that rate untill we see the 1st white of "White's" flowers !!............ i only just clicked you have 2no auto ultimates !1 quality genetic also........... the dfirms widow is also known to dutch passion !1 as is amnesia !1........... hope your skull can take it !!..............these are heavy weight choices !1............... very nice ALR
White'ty, "Forget calcium carbonate"............. we will be ok with out it................. chill re slake lime, same thing ok, it is, Ca2,H2,o2..... and then forms Calcium hydroxide (traditionally called slaked lime) is an inorganic compound with the chemical formula Ca(OH)2. It is a colorless crystal or white powder and is obtained when calcium oxide (called lime or quicklime) is mixed, or slaked with water. It has many names including hydrated lime, caustic lime, builders' lime, slack lime, cal, or pickling lime, and can re combine back into CaCo3 calcium carbonate !! ok....... .
as you have spent a lot of MONEY on a complete Advance Nutrients full pack, here is what they say to use for 1st 4wks in veg white'ty......... i put in grow micro bloom veg, for results, and link below.... IS NUTE CALCULATER
https://www.advancednutrients.com/nutrient-calculator/
THESE AMOUNTS IN ML'S, AND ARE TO BE PUT INTO 100LTRS OF FEED WATER,
SO 100ML IS 1ML PER LITER OF FEED WATER..........
Grow Micro Bloom (Vegetative) - Vegetative Growth
Base Nutrients Week 1 Week 2 Week 3 Week 4 Total
Grow 100 mL 200 mL 400 mL 400 mL 1100 mL
Micro 100 mL 200 mL 400 mL 400 mL 1100 mL
Bloom 100 mL 200 mL 400 mL 400 mL 1100 mL
Vegetative Growth
B-52 200 mL 200 mL 200 mL 200 mL 800 mL
Voodoo Juice 200 mL 200 mL - - 400 mL
https://www.advancednutrients.com/nutrient-calculator/
for the sensi grow in veg, which is what you should be on right now, it's this ; as below white'ty have you seen the AN nute calculator at all ???//....................... you got every AN nute in the book.............
https://www.advancednutrients.com/nutrient-calculator/
Sensi Grow - Vegetative Growth
Base Nutrients Week 1 Week 2 Week 3 Week 4 Total
Sensi Grow A 100 mL 200 mL 400 mL 400 mL 1100 mL
Sensi Grow B 100 mL 200 mL 400 mL 400 mL 1100 mL
Vegetative Growth
B-52 200 mL 200 mL 200 mL 200 mL 800 mL
Voodoo Juice 200 mL 200 mL - - 400 mL
you could halves these amounts and go with the calculator white'ty................. as you have the full nute pack, halving the amounts, which seem heavy at 100ml inputs into 100 litrs is 1ml per ltr of each.......... that
we have no choice at the mo, but we will see, as watering builds up to 1-1.5ltrs per day at 27c air temp............... root temp 22c min........
not bad beans my friend, second oldest bean maker in nl............ second only to dutch passion........... as the owner of dutch passion is 'Henk van Dalen", he was the first to discover, how to feminize cannabis, so 98% of seeds hatch female................. he is Mr, canna............... he gave the first beans to dinafirm.......... they where fem seeds.......... only regular seeds where available at that time, "1981".... PD launched in 87.... with the first ever fems........
You where very lucky, no one likes cold baths, but you can wash in it, just shows, 2c below wild hatch temps, those beans hatched at.................. 15c hatch, amazing plants, hardy, and "Anemophylic"....higher terrestrial strains.............. ALR
You work in Dutch Passion Labs ALR? I want to say a big
I am one of only 7 show growers to be selected to present, and represent Henk van Dalen gene lines, in the dutch passion gene banks. Accordingly, strains he hunted personally from round the world, before 1980 came along !! And my work on cannabis growing, was recently chosen, for the 20th anniversary of Dutch Passions legendary "Power Plant", as i grew, for show, the Power Plant for the 20th anniversary occasion.
The 5 thumbnail pictures in the link below, are all my handywork.................
https://www.dutch-passion.com/en/cannabis-seeds/product/power-plant/
So not so much work for, but a whole part of it, in every way possible, it's not so much me, as the thing me do !!
White'ty, how are you getting on with the AN nute calculator app !! or online calculator ??............. just halve the 1ml per litre dose to 0.5ml.............. and build nute pack as AN schedule, i will take care of the remainder of the variables approaching you ok...................... ALR
Its my honor to meet you my friend. You are a living cannapedia!!!
Old school warrior...Please keep close and i am a good and quick learner...
My friend i am confused again. What i should add to the water to water the soil columb? Only Root Stim? OR i should make micro grow bloom, root stim and ph to 6.3?
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Awesome job you have ALR!! A true master! Keep going up ☝ my friend!
So light ON this morning and i prepared my feed.
-10 Litres of Bubbled bottle water with 0.5ml/L m-g-b, 2ml/L voodoo juice and 2ml/L piranha.
-EC 0.8 after nutes and ph'ed down to 6.3 (bottle water EC is 0.5)
I soak them really good and i took reading of the run offs. Here is the result:
Plant 1 = EC 2.1 PH 5.9
Plant 2 = EC 3.0 PH 6.0
Plant 3 = EC 2.1 PH 6.2
Plant 4 = EC 2.0 PH 6.1
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You have not found the advanced nutrients calculator, i posted link above white'ty ok......... in the drop down box.............. click on Grow Micro Bloom (Vegetative) - Vegetative Growth RES SIZE IS 10Ltrs
http://oregon.advancednutrients.com/nutrient-calculator/
White'ty the amounts below are based on a "10 Ltr" resivoir which you make up with bottled water at the mo ok... HALVE THE AMOUNTS BELOW SO 20ML = 10ML IN TEN LITRES OF BOTTLED WATER OK, WARMED TO 22-23C BEFORE FEEDING SO; From the calculator results for week 2 of veg =
WEEK2 (Adjust To Ec0.5 nute only Ec ok)................. SO PUT 2ML IN AT A TIME GROW 10ML MICRO 10ML BLOOM 10ML B52 10ML VOODO (In 10Ltrs)
AND SO ON TILL YOUR Ec HITS THE 0.5 TO 0.6 "NUTRIENT ONLY Ec" WE KNOW IT'S PLUS YOUR BOTTLED WATER Ec @0.5..........................SO FINAL Ec = 1.0 to 1.1
grow 10ML
micro 10ml
bloom 10ml
b52 10ml (HALF DOSE @ 10Ml IN 10 LTRS = 1ML PER LTR)
voodo 10ml
ADD THE ROOT STIM, AS DISCUSSED, WE WANT A NUTRIENT ONLY Ec OF 0.5 OK............ Ph to 6.3 WARM THE WATER TO 22-23C BEFORE YOU MAKE THE FEED UP WHITE'TY OK.......
Grow Micro Bloom (Vegetative) - Vegetative Growth
Base Nutrients Week 1 Week 2 Week 3 Week 4 Total
Grow 10 mL 20 mL 40 mL 40 mL 110 mL
Micro 10 mL 20 mL 40 mL 40 mL 110 mL
Bloom 10 mL 20 mL 40 mL 40 mL 110 mL
Vegetative Growth
B-52 20 mL 20 mL 20 mL 20 mL 80 mL
Voodoo Juice 20 mL 20 mL - - 40 mL
THE FIGURE ABOVE ARE FROM THE ADVANCED NUTRIENT HOME WEB SITE NUTRIENT CALCULATOR, READ IT AND FOLLOW IT White;ly ok AS LINK BELOW OK...
http://oregon.advancednutrients.com/nutrient-calculator/
THIS IS COVERED ABOVE OK
The run offs show there is quite a bit of nutrient and or buffer salts & (Lime) still in the lightmix grow medium.......... do not worry about this ok.........the Ph'es are within range so very good......all good..............
PLANT 2 & 3 HAD THE LIME PUT IN YES ??? HENCE HIGHER Ph'es.............. ALL IS FINE White'ty
post up some week 3 pics, is it week 3 white'ty ??????????? you must post age in days of the plant .......... so example, as below;
CULTURE UPDATE; Auto Ultimate _ The other strains ok......
Day 21 From Germination wk3 update,
plants fed Ec0.5 Ph is 6.3
room temp is 27c light on 23c light out
room relative humidity is 35 to 38%RH
Day 21 picture below;
Post up the most recent day, age etc......... as above white'ty................. and get into the AN nutrient calculator and start to read it !!................. as mentioned halve the dose for 10 ltr res ok............... follow the calculator ingredients etc.................grow + micro + bloom + b53 + voodo +++++++++ >>>> ALR
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