Indoor Dark Devil, 900w Mars, Coco/ Newbie!!

[Cat]

Hey dark devil

Just tuning in here. I was looking through your grow I'm kind of interested in that Pineapple Express. That's one of my favorite photos strains and I wouldn't mind trying it in an auto.

So that one seedling you were looking at I'd say that was more of an effect of a fluctuation in pH. It's kind of tough starting out when you're just wandering around this seedlings you're going to have some of that sometimes.

I take it you calibrate your pH meter twice at pH 7 and 4 or 7 and 10?

When you flush a plant in Coco you don't need to pH adjust your water going in, in fact all you really want to do is flush all the salt out of the Coco. The only reason to adjust the pH would be to try and get the plant to up take some of those salts and you don't want that so just flush with straight tap-water.

That assumes your tap water is good? Have you ever measured your background total dissolved solids?

You're going to want to start watering to run off soon, that is if your plants grow nice and quick. At any rate you won't be able to keep those bags down in those trays that you have in your tent.

If you could get a hold of some old charcoal grills or something those kind of things are usually laying around people's backyard in the states. They work well. I actually have a couple racks that I saved out of my last old non-working oven that I used to hold my plants up above their trays.

Once they get big enough I don't mind just picking them up and taking them out of the tent to water.

That's my watering station outside my tent it has an oven rack on top of about 12 or 15 gallon plastic bin.

All the stuff I've read about salt build up in coco seem to suggest that we shouldn't flush coco, but instead rinse it through with a low nutrient solution. I was totally lost over what nutrients I should be feeding until I bought a TDS meter and started testing ppm going in and out. It saves a lot of issues and I think it also helps to maintain Ph.

 

[canocrpse86]

@jingo thanks for the reply!

Definitely some good info there. I didn't realize you could flush with non PH'd water. I calibrated my PH pen at 7 and 4 I believe when I got it last week. This is my first time using PH and PPM meters while growing. My tap water seems to be of good quality. It's a treated well so my PPM is 100 before adding anything but the PH is high. Usually between 8-9. The water I use to water I have constantly bubbling with an air stone for at least 24hrs before I use it.
Good idea on the watering station there. So far I have been watering to run off and the water that collects in my trays I extract with a turkey baster. Didn't know if this would wait adequately for the whole grow or not. I can probably find some kind of grill rack if it gets to be too much runoff.
For that Pineapple Express I don't have another pot of coco since I dropped two of the DD seeds. I'm thinking of trying out the Hempy bucket method with it. Ever grown that way?

 

[canocrpse86]

So it looks like definitely either nute burn or PH on that [HASHTAG]#2[/HASHTAG] girl. Either way looks like she will recover fine. She's growing faster than [HASHTAG]#1[/HASHTAG] even with the burn.
Here they are day 7 I believe. The Fastbuds girlscout cookie popped this morning with a good sized tap root and I put here in the third pot. Waiting for Pineapple Express now and trying to decide what to plant it in. Hopefully 4 plants isn't too bad in my 3x3 tent!

 

[jingo]

You're right they're going to recover just fine actually they should be taking off now.

 

[jingo]

All the stuff I've read about salt build up in coco seem to suggest that we shouldn't flush coco, but instead rinse it through with a low nutrient solution..

I always finish a flush with a nutrient mix. I don't necessarily make it weak I don't see any reason you have so much control of your root Zone in Coco.

However, it's illogical to flush with nutrients or pH water. The reason you want to flush Coco is if you get salts built up that you don't want your plan to update or have any build up that inhibits their nutrient uptake by its presence. So you want to flush all that crap out without any consideration of your plant taking any of it up at all. Then once it's out you want to put some nutrients in there you want to. pH that's great that's perfect.

I once flushed out some soil plants early in my growing career and I dumped out the runoff water under a tree in my yard and killed the tree. That really drove home the point that you don't like your plants to absorb any of that crap when you're Flushing.

 

[Wile e Peyote]

I always finish a flush with a nutrient mix. I don't necessarily make it weak I don't see any reason you have so much control of your root Zone in Coco.

However, it's illogical to flush with nutrients or pH water. The reason you want to flush Coco is if you get salts built up that you don't want your plan to update or have any build up that inhibits their nutrient uptake by its presence. So you want to flush all that crap out without any consideration of your plant taking any of it up at all. Then once it's out you want to put some nutrients in there you want to. pH that's great that's perfect.

I once flushed out some soil plants early in my growing career and I dumped out the runoff water under a tree in my yard and killed the tree. That really drove home the point that you don't like your plants to absorb any of that crap when you're Flushing.

Sorry dude you should never flush coco with Un ph,d water you will just cause nute lockout the only time I use Un ph'd water is the final flush before harvest but even now I don't do a final flush anymore it's not needed as long as you get a good cure in ask @pop22 [emoji106]

Sent from the land of nod

 

[jingo]

Sorry dude you should never flush coco with Un ph,d water you will just cause nute lockout @pop22 [emoji106]

Sent from the land of nod

"nute lockout" seriously, I flush Coco when there's a problem and I thought that's what we were talking about an indicated problem. I WANT nute lock out when I'm flushing built up salt out of my Coco, that's the whole point of no pH.

That statement nute lock out actually refers to your plants ability up take those salts and utilize them, by the time you need a corrective flush you already have lock out. I don't want my plant up taking ANY salts under those conditions. That's why I don't put any nutrients until the end of the flush.

With my GH nutes I've found that I can flush 3 days at the end with Clearwater or soon I'm going to try their floraclean. The rest is in the cure for me.

 

[Wile e Peyote]

"nute lockout" seriously, I flush Coco when there's a problem and I thought that's what we were talking about an indicated problem. I WANT nute lock out when I'm flushing built up salt out of my Coco, that's the whole point of no pH.

That statement nute lock out actually refers to your plants ability up take those salts and utilize them, by the time you need a corrective flush you already have lock out. I don't want my plant up taking ANY salts under those conditions. That's why I don't put any nutrients until the end of the flush.

With my GH nutes I've found that I can flush 3 days at the end with Clearwater or soon I'm going to try their floraclean. The rest is in the cure for me.

Maybe you want to look up what your doing to the Caton exchange in coco when you flush with plain tap water just passing on the info I was taught on this site have a look on the canna Web site all the info is there or not your choice

Sent from the land of nod

 

[jingo]

Maybe you want to look up what your doing to the Caton exchange in coco when you flush with plain tap water just passing on the info I was taught on this site have a look on the canna Web site all the info is there or not your choice

Sent from the land of nod

I pre charge my Coco with Cal Mag just because of that caton Exchange. I also use Cal Mag in every watering I do cuz I use RO water. So when I finish my flush with a weak nutrient solution or full-strength nutrient solution they're always getting the proper amount cal mag at that time.

The flushing I'm talking about is just to get rid of the built up salts, I'm talking about taking your Coco back to the beginning just opened up a hydrated bale state. And then adding back in exactly the minerals you want at the end.

PS the only time I've had to do a corrective flush was when I was experimenting with auto water. I think the auto water setup just gets the nutrients flowing through regular channels and you're just prone to Salt build-up. So next time I do auto water I plan on doing a good solid hand water every once in awhile. Two reasons one I'll pour the water and differently every single time at a different spot. 2 I can flood the pot more quickly at that time which I believe helps the salt avoid build-up.

 

[jingo]

Sorry OP, for jumping all over your thread I'm also apologize to the rest of you if I came off a little strong. I know better than that, because written words often come off a the little harsher than they're meant to be.