Breeding etiquette

[Steel_Reserve]

No if someone took a strain say automazaar and just made copies of them, and nothing else, that's called a ripper and a thief! If you buy a seed and than decide to use that as part of a cross or what have you than yes, it's yours you own it do with it as you please, but to just copy and sell someone else's hard work is just plain wrong, so not sure if that what you meant?

I just came upon a book called Marijuana Botany, it is VERY easy to find the PDF of online for free, I think it should be required reading for anyone that wants to breed and let's their creations out.. Even mad cross or things that you will only you for yourself you still got to be very careful and use some caution, as us "hobby" breeders could and will become a detriment to a our so beloved herb. We all need to start acting a bit more responsible with all of this.. I am getting threw the book, it's not the easiest of reading but with a science background it's not hard, and for the layman you may not grasp the exact meaning of things but you will get idea, so enough ranting on a soapbox from the greatest of offenders who is now trying to reform themselves, me

:stylez rasta smoke: they have a huge section of the book in the stickies for the past year I have failed to notice or read..,

That's kind of how I think on this subject. But for me, there is a bit of a mystery about the auto-flower boom. I know that most people agree that the Joint Doctor's original Low Ryder was the first commercially available AF. But there was another AF in and around the same time called Short-Stuff which in my opinion, was nearly identical.(Coincidence?) So what I am trying to figure out is the chicken and the egg thing. I guess im something of a history nut and this is MJ history for sure. I don't want to accuse anybody of stealing another's genetics, I would just like to get to the bottom of this Issue. If any of the old timers would like to chime in on this, I would sure like an answer!

 

[bromhexine]

kinda like dling mp3s

 

[cres]

That's kind of how I think on this subject. But for me, there is a bit of a mystery about the auto-flower boom. I know that most people agree that the Joint Doctor's original Low Ryder was the first commercially available AF.

Absolutely not. Since the mid 80s you could buy skunk ruderalis and crosses first from Neville pictured above with his seed co(1985 catalog), then with Sensi seeds right up thru till at least 2000 or beyond.

 

[Steel_Reserve]

Cres, there ya go! Now I am even more intrigued in AF history!

 

[yodabuds]

What I mean is that to take say DP Blueberry,
Makes copies and turn around and sell them yourself as dp blueberry is just blatantly steeling... Who knows what some of these companies are selling are slapping names on... But at least there carrying it under there company name.... not sure if I'm getting across what I'm meaning to say... Lol I blame sweet seeds and OES.. tasty bedtime treats indeed

 

[bromhexine]

name stealing vs strain stealing. but as well the ethical question regarding selling single seeds for ten dollars or more when a plant produces hundreds. i wonder how many companies are just selling unstable hybrids and charging top dollar. hey whatever happened to mdanzig? i loved his stuff.

 

[SCARHOLE]

Cres, there ya go! No I am even more intrigued in AF history!

Great read on auto history....
https://www.autoflower.org/f8/theory-af-origins-80.html

 

[lr2jd]

There's a German story as wel, quoting that, in mid 90's, there was a hemp farmer who found a pure sativa flowering at 30 days. This allegedly(!) became the base strain of the Spanish Critical. Some german seedbanks claim they still have these genetics. IMHO You're allowed to reproduce whatever you'd like. If it's an F2/S2 or a copy of the original bought strain: you should mention that. If it's a hybrid between two strains: the choice is yours to either name it or not. However the strain-details/lineage should be public. But I'm not a business-type breeder. All my creations go out for free, or as a trade. Seed for seed or seed in exchange for a growlog. No money involved. That is my ethos; spread genetics worldwide, even for the poor. Around here we keep getting bigger and bigger seedbanks, housing more and more (hermafroditic and ridiculous) strains for ridiculous prices. Without any backside information as well. Some seeds were 20 bucks last year, but are now over 60. This is killing for the hobby-growers around here and this helps cheap seedbanks to sell their ripoffs. Some of these ripoffs are the real deal, and imagine: 3 uncertain brandless strains instead of just one uncertain (but labelled/branded) strain. That's what's happening here in the NL. People just buy a bucketload of seeds and then get to the selection process. Now even small growers are joining in, because the trade-market for seeds is growing by the day. More and more people are making their own seeds from store bought strains. This can't be stopped, and I think that's great. If your income depends on this, maybe it's time for another job. I expect it to take 5 years before soma won't get any sales anymore in the NL. The soma strains are traded by the 300 seeds every two months. It can only take so long untill they lose value and eventually being traded for lowryder seeds (which is some kind of unwritten value-standard for trading. Right now you can say that it takes about 20 LR seeds for 1 soma bean. The purple bubblegum I have was about 14 LR seeds at the time, now being traded for less than 4). Last week I sent a batch of over 60 of my own hybrids to France. I want those seeds to spread based on the outcome, appearance and taste. Not the name, breeder or genetic backstory. Because of that, these seeds are worth zero until someone shows pictures of the crop. Which causes them to spread faster through trade channels. Ordering seeds is like ordering chocolates: you'll never know what you're gonna get. Even from the best chocolatier you can get shit taste or quality. If you use that chocolate to make your own cake, pralinés or whatever; you should get some credit for picking and combining the right ingredients and the overall baking; this is hard work! But don't forget to mention the ingredients.

 

[bromhexine]

maybe it should be cheap as the poppy seeds they use on bagels. after all those seeds grow up a far more expensive drug?

 

[Lardy]

Everyone above has made good points but can I ask when ethics were a major concern in high-turnover business?
I'm sure most of you would have noticed how many new Seed Cos appear every week. But do we believe what they say about how much work has gone into producing these new "Strains""?
IMO Pollen Chuckers mostly and will eventually have produced F1s and S1s of every combination you can think of which will, in turn have names and be out crossed again for yet another bunch of new "Strains".
It's too late and too easy.
The clever ones have gone for the "Medical Strain" or "High CBD" - a relatively new angle but already being swamped by copys and unlikely claims.

There was a time - a while back, when you would have believed that anyone playing for Manchester United was born in Manchester. The business World changes everything.