Live Stoners AFN Baking (breads n things)

[Dr.Bubbles]

After one hour, it looks like this:

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Looks like it might be a little bigger... Could also just be the fact that it's now absorbed all the flour and its even more sticky than it was before, and just settled out a bit.

So the fold... With wet fingers, pull up one side of the dough like this, stretched but try not to "tear" it.

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And fold it over the top like this

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Do that two or three more times. This helps distribute the vermin, as well as start the gluten formation.

See ya in an hour.

I'm still green as grass here, but correct me if I'm wrong....you are making some bread tomorrow with Ed's secret sauce?

THEY'RE called KAAAAHBS Joe's dad's stuff

 

[Mike20132]

I'm still green as grass here, but correct me if I'm wrong....you are making some bread tomorrow with Ed's secret sauce?

THEY'RE called KAAAAHBS Joe's dad's stuff

I could very well be making bread tomorrow. I could also be making a solid brick of plaster. If it doesn't work, I'll keep feeding it until Sunday and try again, when it's aged a bit more.

I should start a from-scratch culture to do that side-by-side I am thinking of doing. Prob tomorrow.

Just did second fold... Nothing much to look at so no pics.. Sure feels like bread!

 

[Mike20132]

This is really just me playing around. I really should have waited at least until it had gone through a few feed cycles. Even if the bread turns out to be best suited for use as a blunt-force defensive weapon, the techniques are still valid.

 

[Mike20132]

Something I didn't really talk about before was the way in which ambient temperature affects pretty much every part of this process.. Oops.

Temps for me in this room are between 80 and 85F, which is not ideal to say the least. I suspect what is happening is the elevated temps are causing the critters to reproduce at too uneven a rate, weakening the symbiotic nature of the process.

Ideally, you want to keep between 70 and 80, with 75 being ideal. No direct sunlight (UV will kill stuff) either.

When doing the cold ferment, around 40 is ideal, but so long as it doesn't freeze and it's below 50 its fine. Fridge is usually ideal.

Final ferment (pre-bake) you want between 75 and 80, it will just take longer if its cooler.

And even though I am peppering you with data, don't be too worried about getting everything exact. It's pretty forgiving stuff. Unless you do what I did and leave it out of the fridge, unfed, for about a week. This after it was still recovering from my overheating it just a few days prior. Were there regulations against slaughtering a sourdough starter, my actions would likely reach felony status.

 

[Mike20132]

Fold three. Coming along nicely. Next update it goes basket bound and hides away in the fridge until tomorrow.

 

[Mike20132]

And into the basket it goes...

Dust well with rice flour.

This next part is hard to document. You want to pull the dough out of the bowl and use gravity to let the mass pull downwards, while "pulling" dough into the top of the drop, creating tension on the part facing downwards.

Now dust the top of the dough with more rice flour.

Then put in a bag. I use unscented small plastic garbage bags. Then into the fridge it goes.

Leave in the fridge for at least 12 hours before final proof before baking.

This saga will continue tomorrow!

 

[Dr.Bubbles]

The rhetoric keeps me coming back.

I really hope your quick bread comes out great.

-Does a normal starter re-activate that fast after long term storage?

-Did you do a final fold as it went in to the baneton to get that "bottom tension?" I have worked with many a dough, and that stretch looks familiar as you did the first couple.

-Do you use any flour on the exterior of the ball?

Thanks for the recipe dude. I can't wait to crank the oven to 450°...I can almost taste the tartness already.

(Sad story time if you're interested)
My friend, who recently took his life would have been totally super into this. He was a lover of tending to any living things. He was a fish tank champion, and even made his own fish food. He did the coral thing, as well as breeding the most challenging fish he could find. The last serious fish he had was these fish I think he called Discus or something like that. Whatever they were, he had a breeding pair who mate for life and he had like 3 fish stores that would always buy his baby fish. He made some good money with those, water changes every single day. He had over a dozen large tanks going in his apartment, the biggest of which is like 150 gallons, along with half a dozen 75 and 90 gallons. We we're even gonna start making our own nutes for the dope game. He got close to 2lbs off a single DWC Euforia from Dutch Passion under a pair of monster Citizen 1825s running at 100w each with some Samsung strips for good measure. It was his second plant in DWC.

I'm still not even believing it happened. It was a little over 2 months ago, beginning of March. I felt like this dude was my soulmate in boy form. We had some major plans in motion for the next few years...he had some brain issues and was on a serious MAOI antidepresent, as well as getting ECT which is electroshock therapy, that we called "The Wall". They would adjust the strength of the shock, and we made a joke about showing up with a 10' electric cord with stripped ends and saying "Plug it in...gimme the wall Steve" Sad. It made him super forgetful. Scary. He was in the process of switching meds and they cut him off cold turkey before they started the new one. He was off em for 7 or 8 days and he was hallucinating the night it happened. I still just can't believe it....like holy fucking shit, my boy Tom is dead.

Our mutual friend passed 3.5 years back, and that was the spark that drove us together. He was highly intelligent and a super easy to talk to. I was at his mother's house a month or so before it happened, which is why I thought of this, and she said "I don't really like sourdough bread"... WHAT??!?? Is that even legal?? Try it with cinnamon sugar or make some French toast, that will change her tune...yeah, that's what I thought.

I'm pissed at her anyway. His 'funeral' was so impersonal, and there is no place to go mourn or say hello. I totally think that she somehow blames me and the Nurse B, she has been treating us like complete shit. He would have lost it if he was here. He was adopted and never really super bonded with her. She reneged on a half dozen things she offered us, including all the lights we built in my basement...she won't even acknowledge my own stuff that was at his place. She just ignores anything and everything I say about it. I lost a sick brand new $30 flashlight that I got from my dad for Christmas, an unused $8 roll of 3M electrical tape in a case, a PS4 controller, three decent condenser microphones in a nice travel case and some 1818 COBs. I didn't get a single thing back. Me and this kid were like brothers. We texted for hours almost daily, we made crazy food a few times a month, we both play guitar and I was giving him proper lessons on theory, as well as a ton of other stuff...we would even finish each other's sentences... seriously, we also wrote TONS of funny songs that we would sing together. Jesus, am I in love here?? This dude was as real as it gets...shirt literally off his back kinda guy, best friend you could ever have. Brings a little shine to my eye. [emoji22]

Hopefully I can get this starter running good and I'll call it Tom. He was on AFN as Royalroacho as well as a few other forums, and got me turned on to AFN. Sorry to drag this on, and go off topic, I just needed to do a little venting, it's one of the most dramatic things that's ever happened to me, and I have only talked about it thoroughly with a couple people.

Don't let your crazy friends take guns home...even if you hand built it from scratch together. No. Give them a blob of natural starter instead and say "CONGRATULATIONS!!!! It's a boy!!! Don't forget to feed it!!!"

-End Transmission

THEY'RE called KAAAAHBS Joe's dad's stuff

 

[Mike20132]

The rhetoric keeps me coming back.

I really hope your quick bread comes out great.

-Does a normal starter re-activate that fast after long term storage?

-Did you do a final fold as it went in to the baneton to get that "bottom tension?" I have worked with many a dough, and that stretch looks familiar as you did the first couple.

-Do you use any flour on the exterior of the ball?

Thanks for the recipe dude. I can't wait to crank the oven to 450°...I can almost taste the tartness already.

(Sad story time if you're interested)
My friend, who recently took his life would have been totally super into this. He was a lover of tending to any living things. He was a fish tank champion, and even made his own fish food. He did the coral thing, as well as breeding the most challenging fish he could find. The last serious fish he had was these fish I think he called Discus or something like that. Whatever they were, he had a breeding pair who mate for life and he had like 3 fish stores that would always buy his baby fish. He made some good money with those, water changes every single day. He had over a dozen large tanks going in his apartment, the biggest of which is like 150 gallons, along with half a dozen 75 and 90 gallons. We we're even gonna start making our own nutes for the dope game. He got close to 2lbs off a single DWC Euforia from Dutch Passion under a pair of monster Citizen 1825s running at 100w each with some Samsung strips for good measure. It was his second plant in DWC.

I'm still not even believing it happened. It was a little over 2 months ago, beginning of March. I felt like this dude was my soulmate in boy form. We had some major plans in motion for the next few years...he had some brain issues and was on a serious MAOI antidepresent, as well as getting ECT which is electroshock therapy, that we called "The Wall". They would adjust the strength of the shock, and we made a joke about showing up with a 10' electric cord with stripped ends and saying "Plug it in...gimme the wall Steve" Sad. It made him super forgetful. Scary. He was in the process of switching meds and they cut him off cold turkey before they started the new one. He was off em for 7 or 8 days and he was hallucinating the night it happened. I still just can't believe it....like holy fucking shit, my boy Tom is dead.

Our mutual friend passed 3.5 years back, and that was the spark that drove us together. He was highly intelligent and a super easy to talk to. I was at his mother's house a month or so before it happened, which is why I thought of this, and she said "I don't really like sourdough bread"... WHAT??!?? Is that even legal?? Try it with cinnamon sugar or make some French toast, that will change her tune...yeah, that's what I thought.

I'm pissed at her anyway. His 'funeral' was so impersonal, and there is no place to go mourn or say hello. I totally think that she somehow blames me and the Nurse B, she has been treating us like complete shit. He would have lost it if he was here. He was adopted and never really super bonded with her. She reneged on a half dozen things she offered us, including all the lights we built in my basement...she won't even acknowledge my own stuff that was at his place. She just ignores anything and everything I say about it. I lost a sick brand new $30 flashlight that I got from my dad for Christmas, an unused $8 roll of 3M electrical tape in a case, a PS4 controller, three decent condenser microphones in a nice travel case and some 1818 COBs. I didn't get a single thing back. Me and this kid were like brothers. We texted for hours almost daily, we made crazy food a few times a month, we both play guitar and I was giving him proper lessons on theory, as well as a ton of other stuff...we would even finish each other's sentences... seriously, we also wrote TONS of funny songs that we would sing together. Jesus, am I in love here?? This dude was as real as it gets...shirt literally off his back kinda guy, best friend you could ever have. Brings a little shine to my eye. [emoji22]

Hopefully I can get this starter running good and I'll call it Tom. He was on AFN as Royalroacho as well as a few other forums, and got me turned on to AFN. Sorry to drag this on, and go off topic, I just needed to do a little venting, it's one of the most dramatic things that's ever happened to me, and I have only talked about it thoroughly with a couple people.

Don't let your crazy friends take guns home...even if you hand built it from scratch together. No. Give them a blob of natural starter instead and say "CONGRATULATIONS!!!! It's a boy!!! Don't forget to feed it!!!"

-End Transmission

THEY'RE called KAAAAHBS Joe's dad's stuff

Jesus, man, that's an awful story.

And it's not made any better by the mother being an apparently shit person.

I am really sorry you had to go through that.

To answer your three Qs...

1 - Nothing to compare it to. This is the first time I've ever used dried culture. I fully expected it to take at least a few days to grow in population enough to be useful, so this was really a surprise to me.

2 - Didn't fold so much as hold it suspended over the baneton as you pull up the top and curl it downward. Hard to explain. Kind of like what you would do to a less wet dough to get tension on the bottom surface, only using gravity to pull it down. After a few seconds, I just plop it in the basket.

3 - Just rice flour. I find it doesn't really absorb into the dough that much, and makes it easier to handle.

Here she is out of the fridge. I can see a bubble on the surface and that tells me things are active. As it sits and warms to room temp over the next three hours, it should rise a little. Not much, as most of that action happens in the oven, but if I can poke it with me finger and have it bounce back just a little, it's ready to go in.

 

[Recycled]

I can cook but not a baker but y’all got me hungry.

I’m really good at knocking down a 1/2 gallon of ice cream. Does that count?


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[Mike20132]

I can cook but not a baker but y’all got me hungry.

I’m really good at knocking down a 1/2 gallon of ice cream. Does that count?


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Ever have fried ice-cream?

Mix up a really light batter, doesn't have to be sweet.

Dip a scoop of ice cream into the batter then freeze until the batter is solid. Dip again in batter and put in a deep fryer for just a few seconds - just long enough to brown the batter. The ice cream wont have time to melt.

Freaking amazing stuff.