Live Stoners AFN Baking (breads n things)

I did it. Cross your fingers guys.
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THEY'RE called KAAAAHBS Joe's dad's stuff
 
:cheers:- just ribbing some mate! ...Knowing how the Stoner Foods thread loads up with food porn, I was expecting bakery level porn, page after page... :rofl:
Thanks for the drool Mike, I'm figuring out some tricks on that recipe,... like for the topping, when in doubt, add more butter! And it worked on the next pie, more golden and caramelized, more crunch and texture- :thumbsup: ... I'm a lazy cheating bastard though, I don't make my own crust (yet), but trader Joe's has a frozen one that's very good with actual butter in it, so the flavor is superior to shortening crust IMO,... yeeeeshhh, if you like molasses flavor and warm sweet spicing this pie rocks it!
:jointman: oh my, @Duggy needs to wander in here, he's a baker that kills me 7-8 times a year!

Dr. B' :goodluck: :hump: :goodluck:
 
:cheers:- just ribbing some mate! ...Knowing how the Stoner Foods thread loads up with food porn, I was expecting bakery level porn, page after page... :rofl:
Thanks for the drool Mike, I'm figuring out some tricks on that recipe,... like for the topping, when in doubt, add more butter! And it worked on the next pie, more golden and caramelized, more crunch and texture- [emoji106] ... I'm a lazy cheating bastard though, I don't make my own crust (yet), but trader Joe's has a frozen one that's very good with actual butter in it, so the flavor is superior to shortening crust IMO,... yeeeeshhh, if you like molasses flavor and warm sweet spicing this pie rocks it!
:jointman: oh my, @Duggy needs to wander in here, he's a baker that kills me 7-8 times a year!

Dr. B' :goodluck: :hump: :goodluck:
Hey there Waira. I've heard you're a plant guru of sorts. Super cool. Anyway, if you have a food processor try this crust. It's super easy and I have gotten at least 20 compliments on it. In full disclosure, this recipe is that of one food maniac named Alton Brown, and we call it the rockstar crust. Simple:

This is for a single crust 9" deep dish monster, double it if you need a top crust.

AB's Rockstar Pie Crust:
Add the following to a cold medium to large bowl out of the freezer:

1 stick of butter chopped and cold
1 cup of flour precise
1 dash of sugar and salt

Place in freezer for at least an hour. You need the butter frozen solid.

Remove and grind for 21.7 seconds in a food processor and return to bowl back in the freezer. Keep it cold always is the theme here in case you didn't catch that.

Add about 7-10 Tablespoons of water and stir together...just enough that is sticks together, the less water the better. Keep it flaky as hell. You'll know when it's got enough, it happens fast. There it is. Wrap her up for a few mins in the freezer and roll her out for the bestest pie crust ever. Seriously. Try this.

I haven't used anything but this in 8 years. It's simple once you do it once or twice. Keep it as cold as possible at all times. The butter will be ground as smooth as flour and fully incorporated. It's awesome.


THEY'RE called KAAAAHBS Joe's dad's stuff
 
I did it. Cross your fingers guys.
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THEY'RE called KAAAAHBS Joe's dad's stuff

I started a little experiment yesterday to try and jump-start a culture I bought from Ed Wood well over a year ago. I managed to kill mine by forgetting to refrigerate it. That and I think the burgeoning sauerkraut I am making may have swamped the air with acetic acid producing critters. So the weakened condition from my neglect and the invaders from the kraut jar did it in. At least that's my theory. It's compost fodder regardless of the cause.

So for now I am keeping the jar as far away from the kraut as possible (literally in diagonal opposite corners of the house) and hoping for the best.

Keep me posted on how yours comes along.

:cheers:
 
:cheers:- just ribbing some mate! ...Knowing how the Stoner Foods thread loads up with food porn, I was expecting bakery level porn, page after page... :rofl:
Thanks for the drool Mike, I'm figuring out some tricks on that recipe,... like for the topping, when in doubt, add more butter! And it worked on the next pie, more golden and caramelized, more crunch and texture- :thumbsup: ... I'm a lazy cheating bastard though, I don't make my own crust (yet), but trader Joe's has a frozen one that's very good with actual butter in it, so the flavor is superior to shortening crust IMO,... yeeeeshhh, if you like molasses flavor and warm sweet spicing this pie rocks it!
:jointman: oh my, @Duggy needs to wander in here, he's a baker that kills me 7-8 times a year!

Dr. B' :goodluck: :hump: :goodluck:
With my birthday coming up in a few months, I think I'll start making cookies and pastries soon.

Adding 5 pounds of butter to grocery list... I ain't messin' around here... :rofl:
 
The experiment so far is a success.

This is after just about 24 hours. Looks like the year old dried culture was still quite viable.

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Might be able to make some bread over the weekend. Definitely looking forward to it. It's been awhile.
 
I started a little experiment yesterday to try and jump-start a culture I bought from Ed Wood well over a year ago. I managed to kill mine by forgetting to refrigerate it. That and I think the burgeoning sauerkraut I am making may have swamped the air with acetic acid producing critters. So the weakened condition from my neglect and the invaders from the kraut jar did it in. At least that's my theory. It's compost fodder regardless of the cause.

So for now I am keeping the jar as far away from the kraut as possible (literally in diagonal opposite corners of the house) and hoping for the best.

Keep me posted on how yours comes along.

:cheers:
Oh....for SURE. This is all your doing bro, I'm just along for the ride. Rest assured you will be the first to know of any goings on, sights, smells, or any other note worthy events.

I did do an OCD level cleaning and bleaching of the Big Balls, and I used RO water @ 0ppm. I bought some fresh flour this morning as well and am ready for round two this evening.

Quick question, flour and water are not the easiest two things to mix, and I didn't do the greatest job with incorporating them last night as they are in the bottom of the jar. Would it be a better idea to mix em outside the jar and add the water/flour already mixed?

Trying to eliminate as much that could go wrong as possible....via disinfectant, rigorous hand washing and minimizing contact, at least till the lactobacillus takes hold.

Question the 2nd: Isn't that one of the main cultures that are used in yogey? Could you take a shortcut and use a package of that and ensure you get a good start? Bushy was just talking about making homemade yogurt a month or two back, and he was doing a similar thing where a little left over yogurt would start the next batch. This is my first time ever making anything cultured besides attempting the Psilocybe Fanatacus Method of innoculating jars of rice flour and vermiculite with spore syringes of Psilocybe mushrooms. I believe I nailed at least 75% of the jars with no mold, but I never got a chance to try out my terrarium. Such a shame. Might have to give that another go as well, it's literally almost free to run, uses like 50w of power, and thongs happen quick. Not only that, but my super friend has been selling mushrooms lately, and I would love to be his supplier.

For anyone interested without digging too deep, your total investment will be about $100-150 depending on a few things you might need. You only need a few watts of of light for a few mins a day to keep the shroomers pointing up. Besides that, the only other note worthy investments are an ultrasonic humidifier or fogger and a few donor coolers, as well as a decent sized pressure cooker. You pack the medium into small tapered jars and poke a few holes in the top with a punch. Put the filled jars into the pressure cooker for 45m to sterilize them. You buy a spore syringe with the Psilocybe Cubensis Amazonian Strain and shoot a few CCs into the jars down the sides. Put em in the dark and wait for the mycelium network to fully engulf the medium. You set up a terrarium or four with a chicken wire floor and pop the inoculated jars out upside down into the terrarium. Keep the humidity at 100% and let a little shine through by cutting a window made of plexiglass. A few days later and your cakes should grow bomb little shrooms inside the terrarium. You can get like 3 or 4 rounds of bloomers per cake before it's shot. I haven't done any digging in a LONG time, but I'm sure everything is super laid out now with the internet being a young adult.

Complete guide available here
http://www.fanaticus.com/

Apparently the genius who created this has recently passed from Hep C. R.I.P. dude, your method has brought success to countless people.

THEY'RE called KAAAAHBS Joe's dad's stuff
 
Oh....for SURE. This is all your doing bro, I'm just along for the ride. Rest assured you will be the first to know of any goings on, sights, smells, or any other note worthy events.

I did do an OCD level cleaning and bleaching of the Big Balls, and I used RO water @ 0ppm. I bought some fresh flour this morning as well and am ready for round two this evening.

Quick question, flour and water are not the easiest two things to mix, and I didn't do the greatest job with incorporating them last night as they are in the bottom of the jar. Would it be a better idea to mix em outside the jar and add the water/flour already mixed?

Trying to eliminate as much that could go wrong as possible....via disinfectant, rigorous hand washing and minimizing contact, at least till the lactobacillus takes hold.

Question the 2nd: Isn't that one of the main cultures that are used in yogey? Could you take a shortcut and use a package of that and ensure you get a good start? Bushy was just talking about making homemade yogurt a month or two back, and he was doing a similar thing where a little left over yogurt would start the next batch. This is my first time ever making anything cultured besides attempting the Psilocybe Fanatacus Method of innoculating jars of rice flour and vermiculite with spore syringes of Psilocybe mushrooms. I believe I nailed at least 75% of the jars with no mold, but I never got a chance to try out my terrarium. Such a shame. Might have to give that another go as well, it's literally almost free to run, uses like 50w of power, and thongs happen quick. Not only that, but my super friend has been selling mushrooms lately, and I would love to be his supplier.

For anyone interested without digging too deep, your total investment will be about $100-150 depending on a few things you might need. You only need a few watts of of light for a few mins a day to keep the shroomers pointing up. Besides that, the only other note worthy investments are an ultrasonic humidifier or fogger and a few donor coolers, as well as a decent sized pressure cooker. You pack the medium into small tapered jars and poke a few holes in the top with a punch. Put the filled jars into the pressure cooker for 45m to sterilize them. You buy a spore syringe with the Psilocybe Cubensis Amazonian Strain and shoot a few CCs into the jars down the sides. Put em in the dark and wait for the mycelium network to fully engulf the medium. You set up a terrarium or four with a chicken wire floor and pop the inoculated jars out upside down into the terrarium. Keep the humidity at 100% and let a little shine through by cutting a window made of plexiglass. A few days later and your cakes should grow bomb little shrooms inside the terrarium. You can get like 3 or 4 rounds of bloomers per cake before it's shot. I haven't done any digging in a LONG time, but I'm sure everything is super laid out now with the internet being a young adult.

Complete guide available here
http://www.fanaticus.com/

Apparently the genius who created this has recently passed from Hep C. R.I.P. dude, your method has brought success to countless people.

THEY'RE called KAAAAHBS Joe's dad's stuff
Best way to mix the flour/water for me is to use a butter knife. Then scrape things down with a spatula. If the ratio is 1:1 by weight, you'll get a stiff mix, and thats ok. It's not until the critters start to really get the munchies that the starches break down enough to render the mixture more of a thick porridge than a dough. Once you start feeding, the 100g of leftover starter will make it easier to mix in the new flour and water.

Not sure if you'll have any issues with RO vs well/spring water, but it probably won't make a difference.

As for shortcuts... I strongly advise against them. If nothing else, it will feel kinda cheaty - and you won't really be getting the "local" flavor of whatever critters are predominant in your neck of the woods.

You could do things like add a few grains of bread yeast, and/or some fructose (I've heard using 50% pineapple juice instead of water for the first few additions helps), and over the years I've tried a few approaches.. It always boils down to the fact that you really don't need them, and it really won't help things along (unless you add yeast, but if you do then what was the point...).

Manually inoculating the culture has other drawbacks.. Unless they are the same exact species of fungi/bacteria they will be in competition with what is already on the flour and in the air.

I could of course be talking out of my ass, but it makes sense to me.

In fact, I've done that very thing with using the purchased culture. It will take a few months before it's stabilized with local flora, though for the first few loaves it will taste like Austrian sourdough, whatever that's supposed to taste like.

Good chance that I toss this and make a new one from scratch next month, but I might keep this one as well. Thinking of an interesting experiment.

It won't be terribly scientific, but might be conclusive enough to change my mind about something.

Ed Wood sells starter cultures from all over the place, including one he claims is likely the same strain used to make the first leavened bread in human history. His Austrian variant is currently impressing the hell out of me with regards to its voracity, and if it makes good bread, I'd like to keep it.

Thing is, I am pretty sure that the critters in the flour and air will eventually displace the Austrian strains, and I am back to plain old local sourdough.

If I maintain two jars (and am careful not to keep them too close together) there's a chance I can prove that what Ed claims might actually be true: That as long as you keep it well fed, the dominant strains will not be replaced.

Personally, I do not believe that is the case. I would LOVE to be proven wrong, as it would give me motivation to get more strains and preserve them, knowing I can reproduce them on a few days notice.

So probably in a month's time, i'll make a loaf from each and see if they are different.

Shortly after I posted the last picture of this Austrian culture, I stirred it up to get some O2 in it, and to knock the CO2 out (collapsing it back to original volume). It has since tripled in size. This might be ready for bread tonight. Which is just amazing, really.

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No way this happens if the culture I used wasn't viable as hell. It would take easily a full week to get to this point if starting from scratch.
 
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I have a feeling this won't work, but it's worth a shot.

Here's the Austrian starter now:

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In a regular starter, one that's at least a week or so old, this is when you know it's ready for bread. So I figured I'd give it a shot. Worst case, I waste a few hundred grams of flour.

100 or so grams in a bowl..

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Then I add 250 grams of water and 8 grams of pure salt (non iodized).

Mix well to dissolve the salt and disperse the starter with the water.

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Note the "lump" near the top. Because this didn't get a chance to finish breaking down the starch, its a little lumpy. With a mature starter, this isn't an issue. Though it's another hint that this probably isn't going to end well.

Now I dump in 394 grams of flour.

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As you mix this, you'll start to wonder if all the flour will get incorporated. It will, be patient. Alternatively you can mix it with your hands, just be aware there is no way not to make a mess doing this.

Eventually, you wind up with something that looks like this:

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Cover loosely with foil or plastic and set it aside for an hour. I'll post a followup with the stretch-folds I need to do three times, once an hour.

By the third fold we'll know if it's gonna work out based on the look and feel. Again, with a "normal" starter, this isn't really an issue. It never doesn't work.

Oh, figured I'd sneak in a gratuitous shot of my workspace..

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Next update in an hour..
 
After one hour, it looks like this:

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Looks like it might be a little bigger... Could also just be the fact that it's now absorbed all the flour and its even more sticky than it was before, and just settled out a bit.

So the fold... With wet fingers, pull up one side of the dough like this, stretched but try not to "tear" it.

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And fold it over the top like this

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Do that two or three more times. This helps distribute the vermin, as well as start the gluten formation.

See ya in an hour.
 
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