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[Sauce Boss]

Hi all, Trifid and I were talking between a PM and thought we'd share our conversation for others to read and comment on. Sorry for the formatting, I'm feeling lazy.

Sauce -
Hi. I had a question I think you might be able to help with.

I am now around day 64 in my grow and will be doing my last dose of fert after the flush this Thursday and want to know if I should use more Part B (0-5-4) than Part A (5-0-4) due to the Part B being able to offer more Potassium during the last 10 days before I switch to straight water flush. I wasn't sure if I should shy away/cut back on the Part A formula due to it offering more amounts of nitrogen, which isn't utilized in abundant quantities at this point in the life cycle.

Thank you.

Trifid-
My investigations into the nutritional requirements of autos by tissue-sampling analysis are revealing to me that the nitrogen-potassium intake at these stages in development are on par. In fact the results show that phosphorous is indeed taken by only trace amounts relative to the NK. Therefore i would not make any changes to your regime Boss keep it where it's at for the last feed your current ratios in my op. are spot on.

Sauce-
Nice, Thanks. Everything is at 5.95ph, 1.14ec, and 800ppm as of right now in lights out. Last flush was a week ago, so by the time I flush Thursday, it will have of been 10 days. Then 10 more days of the last fert, then flush for 10-14 days, then harvest. Thats the plan at least.

One concern though, Some plants are showing slow growth, looking like they're at the developmental equivalent of what one of my more mature ladies was at roughly 2 weeks ago.

Looks as if I will be harvesting some, and leaving others to continue to grow to maturity; though will they be ok running on straight tap water at that point?

Trifid-
Yes. Are they in the same room?

Sauce-
Same room, Same reservoir. 36 "sites" with coco coir cups.

Trifid-
That's an interesting observation often over-looked.. Do some reading on florigen - some plants will go to maturity faster is they are in the presence of plants already at full maturity

You might want to post this convo on your thread - i want to hear other people's interpretation of this since it not yet been brought up. it's interesting discussion

 

[littlebopeep]

mmmm yeah I wonder if its anything like tomatoes an old trick is to hang some bannana skins on the vines to hasten maturation of some overripe fruit mixed with the green fruit to help them ripen up it just came to mind when I read the last post

 

[Sauce Boss]

Morning Update

PH - 5.88
EC - 1.14
PPM- 795-801 (won't stabilize)


Air temps got a lil out of whack last night, got as cold as 64 over the canopy, then this morning as warm as 82. Problem solved.

I did notice though that the calyxes were starting to swell up, then stopped. It's like the plateau that I hear about. Putting a lot of faith in this last fert flush this Thursday in hopes to create the most synergistic solution available for these ladies to take up, while being sure not to create any inbalance or toxicity.

Purely out of curiosity, does the bud itself usually end up growing to be roughly the size of the pistil length?

Really hoping this hanna pen hangs in there to the end of this.

Any ideas on a standalone, mountable unit with fixed sensors? Preferably something with a few simple wires running sensors down in my reservoir, and suction cupped against the side.

 

[The Medicine Man]

I have a strain that finished flowering in 49 days and reeks of rotten fruit starting about week 4... wonder if that's why it finished so quick, 'cause it smells like rotten bananas.

That does make sense on the fruit side of things, no idea how it helps with flowers. Would be interesting to test out, tho!

 

[Sauce Boss]

Pardon the substandard shots, but I figured everyone loves pictures, and I was bored.

These pics were taken from the opposite side of my tent, which until today I forgot that I had a window on the other side due to using boxes filled with pillows and blankets nestled up between the tent and the wall as a muffler (which works).

 

[Trifid]

Beautiful Sauce. Thanks for sharing bro :thumbs:

Some lovely colors in them. They have lizard/snake skin appearance, love that quality in some strains..

 

[Sauce Boss]

Beautiful is an over-statement with all of the battle scars , but thank you.

I'm honestly ready to finish this up so that I can restart with some noted tweaks, added goodies, and different genetics.

 

[Trifid]

Beautiful is an over-statement with all of the battle scar

Nah i like em. Has a special character - perfectly growing plants lack this and not a lot else. I love the way the plant develops a personality everyone i have ever grown has been unique.

 

[Trifid]

Sauce -

One concern though, Some plants are showing slow growth, looking like they're at the developmental equivalent of what one of my more mature ladies was at roughly 2 weeks ago.

MedMan -

mmmm yeah I wonder if its anything like tomatoes an old trick is to hang some bannana skins on the vines to hasten maturation of some overripe fruit mixed with the green fruit to help them ripen up it just came to mind when I read the last post

LBP -

I have a strain that finished flowering in 49 days and reeks of rotten fruit starting about week 4... wonder if that's why it finished so quick, 'cause it smells like rotten bananas.

Interesting points everyone - i think you're on the money there MedMan.. Going back to the florigen debate guys, and having done a little reading, it seems hormonal influences can be transferred to neighboring plants easily (have a look at wiki) - this is not yet clearly understood and according to the literature, it's not down to the activity of a single hormone - florigen has been hypothesized as being a series of hormonal factors that can be transferred during gas-exchange such as the plant-maturity hormone ethylene... sure is interesting like MedMan and LBP was saying about bananas - One of the initial researchers took mature flowers and placed them in the proximity of early flowering plants, after some time the plants matured much earlier than expected and so this sparked the hypothesis of the florigen debate. The academics would clearly like to understand the mechanism behind this phenomena but it's so complex. I have had this happen to me also over December - so i started a few beans a bit later this time round.. By the time they begin to bloom the other mature plants will be done already.. It seems the maturity thing tends to rub off a bit with some plants. Maybe this applies to ours?

 

[Sauce Boss]

Hopefully, but wouldn't 1 plant for every 1.25 sq ft be sufficient proximity, being thats roughly what my system boils down to. I have about 6 that I would guesstimate should be pulled within the next week, and others that still need 2-3 from the developmental looks of it. Then like I said, I have some that look about 2 weeks behind from the most mature looking ones.