New Grower A need for more Constructive Critisism

[spelsylver]

YEAH! I'd def. say there is a ton of encouragement here. I also see a lot of suggestions but no one really saying they should change something. But if someone sees something way off they are on the ball to inform them.

I wouldn't say discourage? Just want the backup to a blatant claim, b4 hurting a breeders rep. I see more often q's are asked to how they were tried what were they're results etc. Everyone is still entitled to their opinion. Blatant slander and overall negativity has discouraged since day 1 as far as I can see.

Here's a bunk seed for ya... Nirvana's JockHorror Auto is hit and miss with the auto gene and there is enough to prove that, BUT you still get a lovely girl for a photo if Auto doesn't carry.

I would disagree that there is a lack of constructive criticism. Maybe sometimes it's not always as flat out and just thrown out there. Often it is carefully worded by the members and it makes the site special for that reason. I've did several edits before posting a somewhat negative comment as to not discourage but help steer and I think lots of members on here are doing the same and like it done to them.

But I can't say much to ya though, your Grows always rock the house. Superior grower my friend.

^^^
gearbear you hit it right on the head for me. This site is special because people actually take the time in wording their post, as to encourage and not offend, even if someone's grow is not in the best conditions. There are a lot of advanced growers on this site and everyone starts somewhere. For me, I moved from grasscity to here because instead of a bunch of know it all assholes, there was just know it alls with great ideas, Suggestions, rather than making someone feel like an incompetent grower because they are new. To tell you the truth, Dr. Autoflower's vids on youtube is how I got a lot of my tips for my 1st autoflower run. He was the 1st person I saw that did a run down on things you should know about autos. This was before I discovered AFN. You don't seem like a jerk at all in your vids, but we all know that tones and the way things are meant to be heard manifest differently on the web. That is why to me, AFN is so awesome. People here take the time to respect one another and appreciate grows rather than criticize a growing style. I'd like to see it remain this way, as I’m not afraid to ask any question, no matter how stupid it may seem since I am a newb, I know I won't be shot down or made to be felt stupid coming here!

 

[Northern Grower]

No one wants to be critiszed thats true for everyone, But Construcitve criticism is differnt and a good thing. Ive wanted to make this post for a while, just never got around to it.
To Bailer
I guess it makes sense that ppl dont want to be blunt about it on this forum to keep everything nice and friendly. When i first came to this site all the "back patting" kinda discouraged me a bit because with my OCD im pretty nit picky and blunt when it comes to my posting (used to be known as Blunt Man cuz im very blunt), and just used to more advanced grows puting stuff bluntly. Ive noticed being blunt can come off as being a jerk , thats kinda a reason why i havent been to involved in the AFN. I noticed small arguements that got ppl banned and i didnt want that. But if you say its cool for me to be blunt and not have to pretty my post up, then i will definatly come by more often and help out.
Im not trying to point fingers here, just want to see the site and the growers on the site to improve. Ive been known to bruise a few egos with my bluntness but it is always for the best and those growers always improve befor my eyes.

You and me have more in common than you know mate.

I have no trouble telling some one what I think. I have no trouble going toe to toe when some ones talking nonsense. Like you said, some times it comes across the wrong way. AFN has taught me to shut my mouth, although it might not seem that way.. In all honesty if i think some thing is wrong with some ones grow, i'll usually PM a person, if they haven't asked. Just so it doesn't look like a public stoning.. Seems to work better imo.

No one will ever get banned for criticizing some one here, nor for posting a bad review. If it gets out of hand, into the relm of ruining a good thread. There's a good chance we'll step in. There is a fine line, trying to please everyone. I can think of a few times where we have banned a member with little posts. The things you don't see in our PM box, might change your mind. We are fair mate. No noes going to get banned because they go against the grain.
Unless your trying to bring the evil :firedevil: in which case we'll drop the ban hammer :ama:

We just like the good vibe that every ones brought, so why not keep it alive?

 

[JEMman]

As a newbie, ive been slammed with "constructive criticism" before on another site! Problem is, it doesn't really come off as being constructive. Sure if i'm blatantly making a big time mistake, i would like to be corrected. But there's really no need to hammer a first time grower with all the nit pick little things about slight things that they could have done better. I would much rather my grow be aknowledged first before being blasted. Truthfully, I haven't even seen too many first grows on this site that needed too much tutelage other than the little defeciencies here and there and a couple of light questions. I most certaintly prefer the vibe here to any of the other sites that i used to frequent before finding afn (riu, grcity,ic) Those sites have plenty of knowledge, but the manner in which ppl chime in with smart alec remarks, makes ppl feel displaced from there very first post on the site.

AFN is my kind of vibe...and honestly if it turned into one of the "others" I would probably be outta here!

 

[Mossy]

AFN is my kind of vibe...and honestly if it turned into one of the "others" I would probably be outta here!

Me Too...:clap:

 

[gearbear]

Great Job guys! Keep up the good work! It's looking awesome!


JK, looks like a can of worms ya got here Dr. A

I think AFN is catching what you're throwing, and tossing a few back. I guess the consensus is that most are satisfied with the way of help from the current community but still allow for others to post however they wish. Minus "Drama" or blunt bashing. There def. needs to be a constructive side if there is going to be a bluntness

 

[Dr.Autoflower]

Ok here is an example of what im talking about.

a while ago(cant find the post now) I was checking out somones grow journal on 60 day wonder. It was very healthy and all but it had very lil bud structure due to it not flower till day 30(seeing more ppl having same problem). hes just followed the breeds directions and harvest around day 60, getting a weak yeild. But it should have been very obviuos to vetran auto growers that it was more like a 85 day strain. But no one pointed that out for him. And by the time i saw it it was to late. Ive seen a few others kinda like this. But im sure you guys get my point.
If you guys like to do construtive critism more subtly around hear so no one gets offended, I totally get that and understand that private messages are a much nice way to do it. Also im not saying i want it ok to be a dick to ppl and put there skills down, Im well aware rudeness and drama is not is not want here. I like many of you came from a forum that went to shit.
But back to the pm thing. Bailer you say the things in your pm boxs would change my mind. Im sure they would. But my problem ive always had with pm is that only that one person can see that secret advice and everyone that is trying to learn from the grow is missing out a vitially information they may need. My point is i find it much more important to help as many ppl as possible instead of worrying if somone will be offend by me pointing somthing out that will benifit everyone in the long run.

 

[Joe Dirt]

With all due respect, and I say this sincerely, just from the observer's perspective, it seems like you may be a lot more concerned with other people hearing what you've got to say than you are about the new grower getting help.

I'm sure you don't mean it that way ...just sayin'

 

[Dr.Autoflower]

With all due respect, and I say this sincerely, just from the observer's perspective, it seems like you may be a lot more concerned with other people hearing what you've got to say than you are about the new grower getting help.

I'm sure you don't mean it that way ...just sayin'

with all due respect thats not what im saying. If you dont think its good to learn from other ppls problems and mishaps then i guess you are not a person wanting as much knowledge as possible. i just pointed out the reason for this thread in the last post, ive seen a few other journals like that one in the past and felt i should make a thread on this. Just point something out from the past, to help in the future. you seem to be taking it the wrong way

 

[gearbear]

That's a shame about the 60 day wonder thread. I would think something like that would get caught now?
I think what your describing that we should do more of Dr. A is within the same mindset. Yes we want to help everyone and need to be more diligent to REALLY look through a grow before the quick "Great Job" post. Agreed
On the bluntness or harshness, that would be relative to the poster. But as the Mods go, they DO NOT want harsh comments. They would like respectful and helpful comments.

I think we are all on the same page.

This seems to have turned into somewhat drama thread. And that's the opposite of what the site is trying to keep.

I think we all agree on the premise to be careful with your posts as to not mislead a bad grow into believing it is a good job without actually looking at it.
Is that what your a getting at Dr. A? and the premise or purpose of this thread?
I think we can all agree to that.

 

[Dr.Autoflower]

That's a shame about the 60 day wonder thread. I would think something like that would get caught now?
I think what your describing that we should do more of Dr. A is within the same mindset. Yes we want to help everyone and need to be more diligent to REALLY look through a grow before the quick "Great Job" post. Agreed
On the bluntness or harshness, that would be relative to the poster. But as the Mods go, they DO NOT want harsh comments. They would like respectful and helpful comments.

I think we are all on the same page.

This seems to have turned into somewhat drama thread. And that's the opposite of what the site is trying to keep.

I think we all agree on the premise to be careful with your posts as to not mislead a bad grow into believing it is a good job without actually looking at it.
Is that what your a getting at Dr. A? and the premise or purpose of this thread?
I think we can all agree to that.

You hit the nail on the head there GB. Thats excatly what im trying to get at. I didnt start this thread so drama could come from it