New Grower Why You Should NOT use Miracle Grow!

Hydro heads also looking for cheap alternatives should look into Jacks. Lots of info about it on other forums, run a Google search.

You are paying for water with liquid fertilizers. If you really want to save, buy an accurate scale to measure milligrams, and mix your own salts.

Yes, that's why I'm looking at RAW Solubles products. But, everyone carries on about "chemicals", well the truth is most decent nutrients are nothing more than blends of minerals, raw and chelated
+ted. And guess where the available minerals plants use come from? Bacteria chelating minerals! The end product is the same. Some bacteria even produce amonia based chelates. Now Monsanto is another story and to me it was a sad day when they bought up Miracle Grow. I wouldn't treust anything coming from them or Dupont, their secret partner.
 
Wow,very nice spread of views,awesome!! anywho i was catching up and pinged on something EEK had said about the chems in food (from various means) and overeating.a touch off topic I guess,but for those whom migh be interested its truly perfect for that comment and to WHY we eat what we eagt as well as Why we crave these things and are never full.food a touch of info. for ya'llcheck out another movie named forks over knives.on netflix I think.be good everyone.:Sharing One:
 
Just so you all know...I`m Not a fan of Monsanto, so I doubt I`ll use any MG products(on principle...)

...That`s it really :Sharing One: :peace:
 
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every other Miracle Grow bashing article I've read is also lacking in any factual basis to back it up.

I agree that the article had a bit of "truther" tone to it. I wouldn't let that offend you. There may still be better values out there than MG (without jumping all the way to organic). I use the word "value" because everyone's priorities differ. You might value yield. Another person: taste (or support smaller competitors, or less complexity mixing nutes).

Its fertilizer, so what "other chemicals" does it contain?

I've read there are different chelation chemicals or techniques. In another thread, someone posted a link to this Canadian regulatory web site.

For fun, I pulled up MG's and Grow More's Hawaiian bloom booster. The only thing that stands out to me is MG's arsenic content.

[TABLE="width: 500"]
[TR]
[TD]

Arsenic (As)= 5.1
Cadmium (Cd)< 1
Cobalt (Co)< 2.5
Copper (Cu)= 0.07
Lead (Pb)= 0.25
Mercury (Hg)= 0.02
Molybdenum (Mo)= 3.4
Nickel (Ni)< 2.5
Selenium (Se)< 1

[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFCC, align: center"] Miracle Grow [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFCC, align: center"] Heavy Metals (ppm)
[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFCC, align: center"] Analysis [/TD]
[/TD]
[TD]
Arsenic (As)= 0.47
Cadmium (Cd)< 1
Cobalt (Co)< 5
Copper (Cu)= 135
Lead (Pb)< 5
Mercury (Hg)< 0.02
Molybdenum (Mo)= 6.2
Nickel (Ni)= 2.5
Selenium (Se)< 0.25

[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFCC, align: center"] Grow More
Heavy Metals (ppm)
[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFCC, align: center"] Analysis [/TD]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

I don't know the name of the MG product you use, but would be interesting to see how it compares to things like GH Flora Series, or Grow More's Sea Grow 16-16-16 veg nutrient (or 4-26-26 bloom nutrient). Or, GH Flora Series.

It would also be interesting to know the acceptable levels of these heavy metal. For example, Arsenic is supposed to be 0.39 to 39. In this range the difference between 0.47 and 5.1 may not be significant.
 
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It is inferior to everything, and their business practices are deplorable. What justification is there for using MG for years, other than a reluctance to step your game up? Upgrade your medium, and maybe someday you can smoke too much also.

Hahahah step my game up i just pulled close yo my biggest yeild from the Australian desert out here all there is red dirt like a poster said above its all the same unless its organic its all chemicals no matter which way you look at it m.g or no mg let me ask the hydro growers what do you do with the solution thats left in your res after a grow or or the soil after your grow is done like i said unless your growing organic your in the same boat as i am
 
I agree that the article had a bit of "truther" tone to it. I wouldn't let that offend you. There may still be better values out there than MG (without jumping all the way to organic). I use the word "value" because everyone's priorities differ. You might value yield. Another person: taste (or support smaller competitors, or less complexity mixing nutes).



I've read there are different chelation chemicals or techniques. In another thread, someone posted a link to this Canadian regulatory web site.

For fun, I pulled up MG's and Grow More's Hawaiian bloom booster. The only thing that stands out to me is MG's arsenic content.

[TABLE="width: 500"]
[TR]
[TD]

Arsenic (As)= 5.1
Cadmium (Cd)< 1
Cobalt (Co)< 2.5
Copper (Cu)= 0.07
Lead (Pb)= 0.25
Mercury (Hg)= 0.02
Molybdenum (Mo)= 3.4
Nickel (Ni)< 2.5
Selenium (Se)< 1

[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFCC, align: center"] Miracle Grow [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFCC, align: center"] Heavy Metals (ppm)
[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFCC, align: center"] Analysis [/TD]
[/TD]
[TD]
Arsenic (As)= 0.47
Cadmium (Cd)< 1
Cobalt (Co)< 5
Copper (Cu)= 135
Lead (Pb)< 5
Mercury (Hg)< 0.02
Molybdenum (Mo)= 6.2
Nickel (Ni)= 2.5
Selenium (Se)< 0.25

[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFCC, align: center"] Grow More
Heavy Metals (ppm)
[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFCC, align: center"] Analysis [/TD]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

I don't know the name of the MG product you use, but would be interesting to see how it compares to things like GH Flora Series, or Grow More's Sea Grow 16-16-16 veg nutrient (or 4-26-26 bloom nutrient). Or, GH Flora Series.

It would also be interesting to know the acceptable levels of these heavy metal. For example, Arsenic is supposed to be 0.39 to 39. In this range the difference between 0.47 and 5.1 may not be significant.

Now thats a good post! And that looks like Grow More has nothing on MG content wise other than the lower arsenic levels, but even then we're talking 5ppms. 0ppms would be nice but on the other hands, these trace elements are found in just about everything. In fact, I'll bet your drinking water has more than that in it! If you smoke, anything, guess whats in it? I don't use MG, have no plans to, but, I think this whole thing is overblown.
 
The first time i grew autos. i used a mg soil, and i had mostly males? Any one havr this while using it or know why this happened?
 
Hahahah step my game up i just pulled close yo my biggest yeild from the Australian desert out here all there is red dirt like a poster said above its all the same unless its organic its all chemicals no matter which way you look at it m.g or no mg let me ask the hydro growers what do you do with the solution thats left in your res after a grow or or the soil after your grow is done like i said unless your growing organic your in the same boat as i am

The plants drink it all, and then get flushed with pure RO water. Dont try to justify ignorance, it's unbecoming. :tiphat:
 
[TABLE="width: 500"]
[TR]
[TD]

Arsenic (As)= 5.1
Cadmium (Cd)< 1
Cobalt (Co)< 2.5
Copper (Cu)= 0.07
Lead (Pb)= 0.25
Mercury (Hg)= 0.02
Molybdenum (Mo)= 3.4
Nickel (Ni)< 2.5
Selenium (Se)< 1

[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFCC, align: center"] Miracle Grow [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFCC, align: center"] Heavy Metals (ppm)
[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFCC, align: center"] Analysis [/TD]
[/TD]
[TD]
Arsenic (As)= 0.47
Cadmium (Cd)< 1
Cobalt (Co)< 5
Copper (Cu)= 135
Lead (Pb)< 5
Mercury (Hg)< 0.02
Molybdenum (Mo)= 6.2
Nickel (Ni)= 2.5
Selenium (Se)< 0.25

[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFCC, align: center"] Grow More
Heavy Metals (ppm)
[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFCC, align: center"] Analysis [/TD]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


What MG product is this? I don't know that MG make anything comparable to the Hawaiian bloom booster.

[TABLE="width: 457"]
[TR]
[TD]Mircle Grow 20-20-20[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Sea Grow 16-16-16[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Total Nitrogen (N)[/TD]
[TD] 20.0000[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Total Nitrogen (N)[/TD]
[TD] 16.0000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Available Phosphoric Acid (P[SUB]2[/SUB]O[SUB]5[/SUB])[/TD]
[TD] 20.0000[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Available Phosphoric Acid (P[SUB]2[/SUB]O[SUB]5[/SUB])[/TD]
[TD] 16.0000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Soluble Potash (K[SUB]2[/SUB]O)[/TD]
[TD] 20.0000[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Soluble Potash (K[SUB]2[/SUB]O)[/TD]
[TD] 16.0000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Calcium (Ca)[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Calcium (Ca)[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Magnesium (Mg)[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Magnesium (Mg)[/TD]
[TD] 0.5000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sulfur (S)[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Sulfur (S)[/TD]
[TD] 3.0000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Boron (B)[/TD]
[TD] 0.0200[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Boron (B)[/TD]
[TD] 0.0200[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chlorine (Cl)[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Chlorine (Cl)[/TD]
[TD] 0.0000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cobalt (Co)[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Cobalt (Co)[/TD]
[TD] 0.0000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Copper (Cu)[/TD]
[TD] 0.0500[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Copper (Cu)[/TD]
[TD] 0.0500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Iron (Fe)[/TD]
[TD] 0.1000[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Iron (Fe)[/TD]
[TD] 0.1000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Manganese (Mn)[/TD]
[TD] 0.0500[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Manganese (Mn)[/TD]
[TD] 0.0500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Molybdenum (Mo)[/TD]
[TD] 0.0005[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Molybdenum (Mo)[/TD]
[TD] 0.0005[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sodium (Na)[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Sodium (Na)[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Zinc (Zn)[/TD]
[TD] 0.0500[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Zinc (Zn)[/TD]
[TD] 0.0500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Arsenic[/TD]
[TD] <0.6560[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Arsenic[/TD]
[TD] 2.4000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cadmium[/TD]
[TD] <0.3280[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Cadmium[/TD]
[TD] 0.1300[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cobalt[/TD]
[TD] 1.2100[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Cobalt[/TD]
[TD] 0.5000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mercury[/TD]
[TD] <0.0131[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Mercury[/TD]
[TD] 0.0500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Molybdenum[/TD]
[TD] 6.0400[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Molybdenum[/TD]
[TD] 5.2000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nickel[/TD]
[TD] 0.6590[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Nickel[/TD]
[TD] 1.1000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lead[/TD]
[TD] <0.3280[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Lead[/TD]
[TD] 0.5000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Selenium[/TD]
[TD] <0.9870[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Selenium[/TD]
[TD] 0.5000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Zinc[/TD]
[TD] 575.0000[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Zinc[/TD]
[TD] 579.0000[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Any thing with a < is at or below testable limits.

On two comparable products this makes the Sea Grow look REALLY dirty YIKES!
The one thing I will say is that these numbers are not "real" they test the products when they are initially registered with a state (WA in this case). The products can change substantially, vendors can change, there are a lot of variables but unless they want to change the label these do not get retested. Ultimately unless you have 3rd party lab tested result of the product on hand you will never know and it might be different from one tub to the next.
 
What MG product is this?

It's called "MIRACLE-GRO WATER SOLUBLE BLOOM BOOSTER FLOWER FOOD 10-52-10." I can't link to it. It stood out to me as comparable to the Sea Grow products I use. Specifically, the Hawaiian bud booster.

Thanks for posting the comparison of all purpose fertilizers.

Any thing with a < is at or below testable limits.

It seems there is more to that. For example, MG's selenium is "<0.9870" while Grow More's is "0.5000" (a lower measure than what the "<" might denote for MG).

My only point is that there's not a lot of difference at these levels, and when (for example) .325 or .5 ppm lead when "safe" is 5 ppm.[1]

I don't think MG is a bad fertilizer compared to the other synthetics. Organic may be better. It's just that "better" isn't the same for everyone (time/effort, yield, quality of smoke, supporting a specific business).

[1] http://www.ecy.wa.gov/programs/hwtr/dangermat/fert_standards.html
 
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