When can you call a strain yours, if ever?

[Auto melt]

Yes, that's actually how it works, it was referred to in the Hobbes post. There is lots of royalties paid, also for tomato seeds haha, it's not only canna seeds that are worth their weight in gold, the right seeds or genetics that is, have a look here or Google seed royalties
https://www.bspb.co.uk/royalty-collection.php

It's only because canna can't be handled legally it's not the same. But anyway, most guys have a white widow, a northern lights, a jack, and so on, who has the naming rights to those names, never mind the genetics behind the names haha
At the moment I'm growing 3 different varieties of Amnesia haze, from 3 different breeders all claiming it's the real deal. Guess they're right, all 3 look and smell pretty much the same haha,nsybe it is the same, who knows!

I just had too ask what breeders ypu checking out, would defently be intrested in the final results.

 

[Jcloud777]

The general rule is that its "your" strain, once you make a cross to create an original male, then use that male to breed with and make "your" own strain.

very interesting quote right there. You got a point there. You could potentially be sued. Maybe, I would think if the breeder or chucker you buy seeds from has the original male cut. That was used to make your seeds. Of the male you use to create "your" strain. He could take you to court. An prove here is the father an mother I used to create this strain. This person is saying this strain belongs to him or her. I could be wrong, but it's a different phenotype your using to create "your" strain with. Every phenotypes unique an not the exact same. Especially if you chuck pollen you get a big range of different looking phenotype offspring. Hypothetically they got the parents around. An are an anal breeder. What's y'alls thoughts.

 

[Jcloud777]

Yes, that's actually how it works, it was referred to in the Hobbes post. There is lots of royalties paid, also for tomato seeds haha, it's not only canna seeds that are worth their weight in gold, the right seeds or genetics that is, have a look here or Google seed royalties

I agree thanks for helping me understand better, but fuck everybody everybody better pay royalties even sensi seeds, what if the creator the oldest breeders got the seeds from are in prison for cannabis? They still better pay them royalties if there accepting royalties. An that person in prison better pay royalties too. All the way up the chain then. Hypothetically speaking. Im not paying no royalties if every single oldest most original seed breeder isn't. No disrespect to sensi there cool people just an example including skunkman sam, Kyle kushman got that cut didn't create it. Berner too should pay royalties. If he only marketed the strain. An didn't create GSC. An already got away with sueing someone. Fuck them royalties it can't be one way royalties, better be fair for all the world even breeders from Afghanistan, India wherever. People like Kevin jodrey we're getting bagseed in California back in the 70s better pay them damn royalties. Greenhouse seed company better pay royalties too hell naaaah.

Just because someone first legally claims a strain gets a patent or whatever. An everyone knows they didn't create it. That's still stealing an super low

 

[Son of Hobbes]

And probably why it will be a while before major auto breeders release auto regs..cause then all kinds of people,will start making crosses and calling them their own. Right now with autos, its not rampid like it is in the photo world, yet.

They need to release those regs though; it's actually hurting our plight by not (good for them, not so good for the rest of us.) It's not quite the same, but Colorado is near example; with our limited genetics pool here, you're not going to see a massive variety of cannabis strains. Hope you guys like "Cookies," because they crossed it into EVERYTHING. There's been so much emphasis on THC (it's pure marketing!) that by creating these limited hybrid lines, we're depriving people of cannabinoid profiles that likely could help them with their ailments (or if you're not using for medical, just get you plain blasted ripped lol!)

 

[Son of Hobbes]

I agree thanks for helping me understand better, but fuck everybody everybody better pay royalties even sensi seeds, what if the creator the oldest breeders got the seeds from are in prison for cannabis? They still better pay them royalties if there accepting royalties. An that person in prison better pay royalties too. All the way up the chain then. Hypothetically speaking. Im not paying no royalties if every single oldest most original seed breeder isn't. No disrespect to sensi there cool people just an example including skunkman sam, Kyle kushman got that cut didn't create it. Berner too should pay royalties. If he only marketed the strain. An didn't create GSC. An already got away with sueing someone. Fuck them royalties it can't be one way royalties, better be fair for all the world even breeders from Afghanistan, India wherever. People like Kevin jodrey we're getting bagseed in California back in the 70s better pay them damn royalties. Greenhouse seed company better pay royalties too hell naaaah.

Just because someone first legally claims a strain gets a patent or whatever. An everyone knows they didn't create it. That's still stealing an super low

I see someone with a lot of money and a hard-on attempting to sue first; then I see it going no where. You start throwing international law in there and nobody is going to want to touch it (unless it's a clear cut money-grab case, even then it's messy.) Everything I've read and talked to from people involved, the Gorilla Glue case wasn't brought on by just "using their name" or infringement of the name, it was because they created a tracking program for Gorilla Glue clones and like a licensing program almost that "verifies" that it's the real deal when you're buying it. THAT is what fucked them, not just taking the name, but creating an official program that revolves around that branding/logo.

 

[Tony21]

I just had too ask what breeders ypu checking out, would defently be intrested in the final results.

Seedstockers, DP and the house brand of wietzaadjes.nl

 

[Tony21]

I see someone with a lot of money and a hard-on attempting to sue first; then I see it going no where. You start throwing international law in there and nobody is going to want to touch it (unless it's a clear cut money-grab case, even then it's messy.) Everything I've read and talked to from people involved, the Gorilla Glue case wasn't brought on by just "using their name" or infringement of the name, it was because they created a tracking program for Gorilla Glue clones and like a licensing program almost that "verifies" that it's the real deal when you're buying it. THAT is what fucked them, not just taking the name, but creating an official program that revolves around that branding/logo.

Yes, that is spot on. Its the money. To complicate matters, most breeders as we call them are actually not the real developer, real breeder, they operate like seedstockers and Dinafem with individual strains coming from individual breed growers or its farmed out to a grower. One of the DP amnesia hazes, auto Extreme, is done with Dinafem as an example
There is also a lot of bulk selling between growers/breeders, then rebranded. It's the wild west, for now.

 

[Darth Abraham]

I've been having this same convo on IG haha. My biggest thing is not every cross is a new "strain". It's a cross, you can call it "your" cross but someone else that has access to the parental seeds or clones you used can make "their" cross. Neither of the people in that situation have created a new strain in the first cross. We don't call every dog mix it's own new breed. There are also legal definitions of what defines a patentable strain currently in agriculture.

Master breeders can even use the same P1 stock, and work the various phenos to make multiple stable strains. Like Dj Short with Blueberry, Flo, F13 etc. In the Auto world I'm seeing @Mossy @FullDuplex and @Stone doing this. I'm sure there's others I just haven't seen yet.

I would say something whether cross or strain isn't yours until you truly know the plants, and their traits. Like I have mutants in my Querkle lines that are super great yielders and very potent. But some people would think they were sick the whole grow and might even toss them if they had an itchy trigger finger. But I know the lines from growing out their parents and siblings, cousins etc for generations. I still consider them crosses, because I can get 3-4 drastically different phenos when I pop 10 of them. And to be honest, I don't even have a desire to stabilize the lines into their individual strains yet. I love the different phenos I can get, and know what to look for in the line.

 

[Tony21]

I've been having this same convo on IG haha. My biggest thing is not every cross is a new "strain". It's a cross, you can call it "your" cross but someone else that has access to the parental seeds or clones you used can make "their" cross. Neither of the people in that situation have created a new strain in the first cross. We don't call every dog mix it's own new breed. There are also legal definitions of what defines a patentable strain currently in agriculture.

Master breeders can even use the same P1 stock, and work the various phenos to make multiple stable strains. Like Dj Short with Blueberry, Flo, F13 etc. In the Auto world I'm seeing @Mossy @FullDuplex and @Stone doing this. I'm sure there's others I just haven't seen yet.

I would say something whether cross or strain isn't yours until you truly know the plants, and their traits. Like I have mutants in my Querkle lines that are super great yielders and very potent. But some people would think they were sick the whole grow and might even toss them if they had an itchy trigger finger. But I know the lines from growing out their parents and siblings, cousins etc for generations. I still consider them crosses, because I can get 3-4 drastically different phenos when I pop 10 of them. And to be honest, I don't even have a desire to stabilize the lines into their individual strains yet. I love the different phenos I can get, and know what to look for in the line.

Yeah, you are right, the word strain should be used with caution. It's not only the wild west, it's the wild blurry west.
I like your approach, I don't breed, but growing the same cultivar/strain/cross /mix/hybrid/variety, etc, whatever you decide is cool haha, breeds a certain familiarity, not only with what to expect from the different phenos, but also how to grow them best possible, highly recommended haha

 

[Mossy]

Master breeders can even use the same P1 stock, and work the various phenos to make multiple stable strains. Like Dj Short with Blueberry, Flo, F13 etc. In the Auto world I'm seeing @Mossy @FullDuplex and @Stone doing this. I'm sure there's others I just haven't seen yet.

@Darth Abraham Just going off the Name of the thread.....my Breeding ettiquette says that you must hybrid something New out of a cross Before you call it your own.

My First Ever crosses were White..25% Auto..and around 30 inches..12-14 week germ to harvest.
By the time they were hybrid they we multi coloured..fully Auto..and 14 inch -9 weekers.....then they were Mine..

Around f6...by the time I Thought so.

But...when you Think about it..all Breeders are thieves...coz we didn't Invent canna...we just Try to Improve something that is already Made.

I would say something whether cross or strain isn't yours until you truly know the plants, and their traits.

I consider myself Lucky to have got them when Autos weren't fully Auto...so I got to See the photo side too..it was a very enjoyable Journey...most people won't make now coz it tends to be fully auto to Auto cross...

In my day...if you wanted to Auto something...you had to Make it yourself....

I would say something whether cross or strain isn't yours until you truly know the plants, and their traits. Like I have mutants in my Querkle lines that are super great yielders and very potent. But some people would think they were sick the whole grow and might even toss them if they had an itchy trigger finger. But I know the lines from growing out their parents and siblings, cousins etc for generations. I still consider them crosses, because I can get 3-4 drastically different phenos when I pop 10 of them. And to be honest, I don't even have a desire to stabilize the lines into their individual strains yet. I love the different phenos I can get, and know what to look for in the line.

You are a Rare one....it is the way I Work too...

Get to Know 1 cross really..really well....then add something you Think will Improve it.

If you don't fully Know your base Cross...how can you Improve it...or understand the dominance in any cross you make..?
It is like buying a car with 6 gears..only using 4..then saying I'm going to soup the engine up......