When can you call a strain yours, if ever?

[Jcloud777]

I am not sure. Im personally crossing sour crinkle to deez nuggz and am pretty excited that the chances of someone else having already done it is VERY slim considering i got the deez nuggz at the illuminauto drop and IMMEDIATELY planted it. I spose itll be unique and noone else would have it. Im naming it for the project bit wont consider it done till f4. And its mostly private stock and the rest sharing not sales. So i dont really feel any kinda way about it. Maybe mephisto will see it and decide to release it as a strain!! Id be honored. Its all their genetics initially anyway.

Fire one off for me [emoji108] HG

Mephisto sells feminized if you breed with feminized your going to hella females mostly everytime. You want regular to get males. but it's your choice doesn't matter to me. Mephisto most likely won't want to your seeds because they breed with regular x regular. I asked them I know. But there are some big names using S1s to breed with.

 

[Hypathetical Gardener]

Mephisto sells feminized if you breed with feminized your going to hella females mostly everytime. You want regular to get males. but it's your choice doesn't matter to me. Mephisto most likely won't want to your seeds because they breed with regular x regular. I asked them I know. But there are some big names using S1s to breed with.

Haha not my seeds [emoji23][emoji23] just the idea of the strain crossings. Sour crinkle and deez nuggz. Then they go off and do it better cuz ya know... It's what they do.[emoji106]im just messin around and seeing what i can learn and do. Giving away some seeds and growing some almost free smoke.

Fire one off for me [emoji108] HG

 

[Jcloud777]

Haha not my seeds [emoji23][emoji23] just the idea of the strain crossings. Sour crinkle and deez nuggz. Then they go off and do it better cuz ya know... It's what they do.[emoji106]im just messin around and seeing what i can learn and do. Giving away some seeds and growing some almost free smoke.

Fire one off for me [emoji108] HG

Ohh you threw me off hahhha. When you said it's theres anyway. My bad lol

 

[Tony21]

Technically it's not I kindfully disagree. There's science to it. Your getting the offspring of someone else is stuff. Until you you put that work in. That's your unique offspring after your successful 3rd cross. Because you can predict the offspring. It's unique because nobody used the same exact phenotypes is you.

Yes, very true, but it doesn't have anything to do with naming rights.
Looking on seedfinder, everything pretty much harks back to some 5-6 old strains. Being a breeder is having the technical knowledge you mention and putting in the work, but they are also using borrowed hybrid genetics. I don't think Mephisto or any other breeder pay royalties for the genetics they use to anyone, except maybe a friendly cold beer or something like that haha, everybody is in the same boat until CRISPR moves in, then it's a completely new game.

 

[Son of Hobbes]

Have you guys seen what Phylos is trying to do with their Phylos Galaxy? Genetic registering, etc. It's an interesting idea for sure! The problem is that genetic registering still requires people to play ball. In Colorado, I can't sell seeds legally as just "joe-schmo." If I had a cultivation license, met the states requirements for packaging, -and- (there's the rub,) produced those genetics in-house, then I could legally sell them in a dispensary (but not online.) So until the laws change (and mileage may vary with this statement, I'm not sure what each states or countries laws are concerning seed sale for cannabis,) it's tough to even really enter the genetics game from a legal perspective in terms of "can I legally claim this as my own." When I asked in some of my industry groups "how do these companies then come up with these new genetics," the responses implied "immaculate conception," meaning someone is either breaking rules/laws or using loose interpretations to bring in new genetics (not produced in-house.)

 

[Jcloud777]

Yes, very true, but it doesn't have anything to do with naming rights.
Looking on seedfinder, everything pretty much harks back to some 5-6 old strains. Being a breeder is having the technical knowledge you mention and putting in the work, but they are also using borrowed hybrid genetics. I don't think Mephisto or any other breeder pay royalties for the genetics they use to anyone, except maybe a friendly cold beer or something like that haha, everybody is in the same boat until CRISPR moves in, then it's a completely new game.

Its still the wild west of cannabis breeding. I don't think you owe anybody royalty. The oldest seed breeders better pay royalties too then. An before you know it those old breeders will be paying royalties to a passed on breeders not even alive to there families. Next other passed on breeder's families will be paying royalties to other passed on breeders families. Nobody is going to want to pay royalties. That's how it works with lettuce if you can manage to create a new variety its hard. For lettuce yes you have to pay royalties. An tomatoes I don't think anyone pays royalties. Im not positive though

 

[Jcloud777]

Have you guys seen what Phylos is trying to do with their Phylos Galaxy? Genetic registering, etc. It's an interesting idea for sure! The problem is that genetic registering still requires people to play ball. In Colorado, I can't sell seeds legally as just "joe-schmo." If I had a cultivation license, met the states requirements for packaging, -and- (there's the rub,) produced those genetics in-house, then I could legally sell them in a dispensary (but not online.) So until the laws change (and mileage may vary with this statement, I'm not sure what each states or countries laws are concerning seed sale for cannabis,) it's tough to even really enter the genetics game from a legal perspective in terms of "can I legally claim this as my own." When I asked in some of my industry groups "how do these companies then come up with these new genetics," the responses implied "immaculate conception," meaning someone is either breaking rules/laws or using loose interpretations to bring in new genetics (not produced in-house.)

Phylos sounds awfully familiar I heard something about it. Can't remember though. I thought you can sell seeds for exotic bird feed or collective novelties. It's technically not against the law to sell for those reasons. It's not THC that's the illegal drug it becomes illegal once it touches the dirt. I always thought like that.

 

[Proph]

The general rule is that its "your" strain, once you make a cross to create an original male, then use that male to breed with and make "your" own strain. Crossing two strains from the same breeder isn't considered making your own, and some breeders actually get offended when people do that and try to claim it their own. Chances are they made that same cross, or may have plans to. Making a strain yours, invloves working/hunting hundreds of seeds and selecting parents for certain traits and then breeding those traits until they are stable. If you're working with feminized autos as parents, then you have to create an original "donor", by crossing two different fem autos from two different breeders, and using THAT to breed with. At least that's the norm in the photo world. And probably why it will be a while before major auto breeders release auto regs..cause then all kinds of people,will start making crosses and calling them their own. Right now with autos, its not rampid like it is in the photo world, yet.

 

[puggle6]

I'm struggling with this at the moment.

So far I've made a cross. Tempted to find a male and then cross to another suited strain. Then start selfing that plant back to full auto.

My intended next step was crossing with a Mohan Ram but I got sent photos by mistake which will mean a looong journey to get it full auto I imaging.

Makes my head hurt!


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[Tony21]

Its still the wild west of cannabis breeding. I don't think you owe anybody royalty. The oldest seed breeders better pay royalties too then. An before you know it those old breeders will be paying royalties to a passed on breeders not even alive to there families. Next other passed on breeder's families will be paying royalties to other passed on breeders families. Nobody is going to want to pay royalties. That's how it works with lettuce if you can manage to create a new variety its hard. For lettuce yes you have to pay royalties. An tomatoes I don't think anyone pays royalties. Im not positive though

Yes, that's actually how it works, it was referred to in the Hobbes post. There is lots of royalties paid, also for tomato seeds haha, it's not only canna seeds that are worth their weight in gold, the right seeds or genetics that is, have a look here or Google seed royalties
https://www.bspb.co.uk/royalty-collection.php

It's only because canna can't be handled legally it's not the same. But anyway, most guys have a white widow, a northern lights, a jack, and so on, who has the naming rights to those names, never mind the genetics behind the names haha
At the moment I'm growing 3 different varieties of Amnesia haze, from 3 different breeders all claiming it's the real deal. Guess they're right, all 3 look and smell pretty much the same haha,maybe it is the same, who knows!