I like the sound of your nutrient line but, I'm disappointed that someone like you falls for the "flushing" myth! Flushing does NOTHING but starve your plant just when it needs nutrients most! And if you say otherwise, I want science to back it. There is nothing removed from a plant by flushing, the only thing depleted is sugars. And you can flush for 2 weeks and guess what? Your buds are still very much alive and full of..........everything! Where do you think those final nutrients are transported to? I've looked and read a fair amount on this subject, what you put into your plant, stays in your plant.

"or sparks and pops when you smoke it (magnesium)" And that is the oldest weed myth yet! I want you to make a pile of 50 ppms of magnesium and light it on fire........... no way in hell its magnesium! sparking and popping are the bodies of mites and bugs exploding when the water in them turns to steam.

I work hard on this forum to educate people about the never ending garden myths people have been mis-informed by. The problem is, no one ever questions statements like this and when people like Jorge etc say it, it must be true right?

Hi pop22,

Firstly, I'd like to start off by saying that my intention is not to start an argument about whose methods are right or wrong. As I mentioned in my response to Fairlynew, as long as your plants are healthy and you're happy, you're growing the right way. There are clearly better ways to grow, but right and wrong are relative terms. That being said, as a nutrient company, we've come to this conclusion as a result of our extensive quality control process. Having a world class cannabis grower with 28 years of experience (and 26 cannabis growing awards) on staff really helps us with building a set of recommendations from the techniques we've used to accomplish what what we have.

Ash color (dark ash) and a chemical taste are the easiest indicators of not flushing. With all honesty, Remo can tell if the bud he's smoking has been flushed or not, and he's accurate almost 100% of the time (if you'd like, I could suggest he makes a video on this). If all things are equal and one product burns white and the other burns black, and the only difference is a flush, then without even going into the biochemistry of the process, you have to acknowledge that it (at the least) has an impact on the final product. As for magnesium not being the cause of the sparking and popping, unfortunately I have to disagree, as magnesium is one of the metallic fuel sources in sparklers. You're right though, if you try to light a pile of magnesium on it's own it won't do much, but then there aren't any nutrients on the market that are just pure magnesium. We reduce this reaction by recommending a decrease in our MagNifiCal during flower.

To address your statement that flushing "starves your plants just when it needs nutrients the most", I'm confused as to why you would think this. From seed to death, there are 4 basic stages of cannabis growth:

1. Sprouting - the plant gets it's energy from reserves found in the seed
2. Vegetative Stage - Building the plant foundation (nitrogen is key during this phase)
3. Flowering Stage - Flower develop from the plant foundation (phosphorus and potassium are key)
4. Seeding - The plant is dying and attempts to continue it's existence by brute force propegation (producing dozens to hundreds of seeds)

Unless you're looking to re-veg, or you're in the seed business, the last week of flower is probably the least dependent on nutrients being that the next step in the development process includes the death of the plant.

Now, all of this being said, if your end goal is to produce an extract product, there is much less need to flush at the end of the cycle. Because little or none of the plant matter is being taken from the buds during extraction, flushing isn't as important. For dry leaf, it's the other way.

I appreciate your willingness to question conventional beliefs. If we didn't have people experimenting and testing the boundaries of conventional methods, we will never have new developments or innovations. Unfortunately with flushing, public opinion disagrees.

Hope this clears things up,

Joel
 
When I use mutes I have flushed one and not flushed another.. same strain and the one I flushed was better tasting and the buds were more dense.. that is all the science I needed to know.. it was also stronger..

The plant goes into a panic mode and produced more trichomes and used all of the available nutrients.. in my opinion..
 
I always go straight water the last week. I too have done this test same strain both ways. I might just be simple minded but there wasn't a huge difference either way and it wasn't from clone so to each there own.

I can say though I don't go straight water the last week to "flush anything out" I feel like there's enough nutrients stored in the soil and in the stems and leaves of the plant that feeding the last week is a waste of nutrients that by most term are not cheap. I feel the plant has enough stored it will use the remaining nutes in the soil and leaves in turn saving me money over the year of growing.

Just my 2 cents I don't have any scientific proof to back it up...

@pop22 I'm not trying to stir any pots here brother I'm always open to all views but can you link me to the scientific data backing up what your saying .... I truly love a good read and further educating myself on all thing growing
 
May I humbly suggest that, as both points of view have now been put forward, we do not continue to thrash this out here in this thread anymore.

We have been over this in the past and no doubt will again. I have no issue with debating this and other similar contentious arguments. But not here. For now, let us agree to disagree and perhaps have this debate on AFN radio some time. That might be cool.

Thanks guys. eP.
 
May I humbly suggest that, as both points of view have now been put forward, we do not continue to thrash this out here in this thread anymore.

We have been over this in the past and no doubt will again. I have no issue with debating this and other similar contentious arguments. But not here. For now, let us agree to disagree and perhaps have this debate on AFN radio some time. That might be cool.

Thanks guys. eP.


I agree... Good topic wrong platform. This is a welcome to the forum thread. Debating whether flushing in the end is a myth should be discussed in a separate thread...

I have been feeding my plants with these nutes following the exact schedule and everything is golden thus far!
 
I've tried copying the info but because it had, I guess, copyrighted illustrations, it gets deleted. However,
I great source of information on this can be found in the book: Marijuana Cultivation Reconsidered. Even better, read up on plant biology, you'll see that a lot of Canna garden myths are dead wrong.
Don't just accept everything your told or read, do your homework. Ask how and why does this work? What's the support scientific evidence, not anecdotal, or "because Jorge said so". You'll soon discover a lot of what gardeners are told are myths.

@pop22 can you upload evidence for your words? One month ago you write in other forum, I was asking you, but you didn't reply. Like all of you, I want top quallity products, too. And knowledge behind it, of course.
 
@RemoNutrients welcome to AFN love to have you guys aboard I'm loving the line so far, stay tuned for buds the size of your head hahaha [emoji2][emoji2][emoji2]

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"or sparks and pops when you smoke it (magnesium)" And that is the oldest weed myth yet! I want you to make a pile of 50 ppms of magnesium and light it on fire........... no way in hell its magnesium! sparking and popping are the bodies of mites and bugs exploding when the water in them turns to steam.

I work hard on this forum to educate people about the never ending garden myths people have been mis-informed by. The problem is, no one ever questions statements like this and when people like Jorge etc say it, it must be true right?


Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the sparking or crackling people are associating with magnesium actually excess phosphorus that hasn't been flushed from the plant? Most people and their PK boosters or those who use them should understand this.
 
Thanks Remo,

Guess we got some

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