Yes, this AC Infinity unit only uses 50 Watts, that unit is much more powerful, that might be the difference. Using full light boards underneath want something I wanted. My room is really bright and efficient as it is. I was looking to add another 50 to 100W of additional lighting to try and fatten up those lower buds.

If you want to add more power and don’t care about electricity or heat, then I would do it👍
I've got heat management pretty much under control very easily in the 4x4 tent. The AC Infinity exhaust fan has a great amount of flow . I have two intakes on the tent. I have a large one at the very bottom for the majority of the air flow through the tent. I have a much smaller intake at the top that is directed at the HLG DIABLO 650R. That's the Diablo's only negative is that the driver is not remote mounted. With circulation fans placed on the diagonal, I get a very even air flow and temperature in the tent.

The only other thing that I will probably change is making a bit thicker amount of straw to make sure the worms will come up to the proper level without the light shying them away.

Now, being totally realistic, there are just some instances where this can't really be utilized that well or at least optimally. If I'm growing a short quick growing auto, these lights would become more of a side lighting set up. Just not enough room to be able to turn the lights up without harming the plant when used as an under canopy light.

And really with this particular spectrum of this light, I don't think I'm going to add the supplemental deep red that I have in the 2X4 tent. I had intended on running the Mars Hydro Supplemental Deep Red and Infrared lighting. The infrared to wake them up and put them to sleep quicker and then the deep red for its obvious attributes. I think I've got really good results from the use of my deep red in my 2X4 tent.

I do have to say though that with the HLG DIABLO 650R, I do have quite firm buds all the way down on my current grow of Asian Haze. They are smaller but pretty close to being the same density. II think a great deal of that is from the red that's in the light. I've seen very similar results from using the Mars hydro supplemental deep red in the 2X4 tent. The penetration of the red is just much better and more efficient. And that's why I think that this supplemental under Canopy light will be a good improvement on the current setup in the 4x4 tent.

If my 2X4 tent was a taller gorilla tent, I would later on try the same system in that smaller tent. That's 540 watts!
The Mars Hydro tent is really just too short to do something like this. The ducting openings are not really conducive to good air flow either. I don't utilize, in any tent, the screened velcro inlets at the very bottom. That's just too much work to make it consistent. I'm not opening and shutting these on all the tents at the change of light cycles!

I use ducting to bring in my air to my tent and direct it to where I want it. I have to take outside air and direct it all the way down to the bottom in the Mars tent. I lose a lot of efficiency with that long ducting. Even with two inlet ducting bringing in air, I pretty much have to have the 6 inch fan set one click higher than what I have on the 4x4 tent to maintain the same VPD growroom wide.

Damn Asian Haze! It's rabbit hole food! :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :baked::pass:
 
During the fall and through winter I need to run the under canopy light to keep my tent in the 77 to 80 degree range. I run it at 80% and am
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measuring around 29 DLI a foot away from center of light. I see a difference with the bottom flower development over not running it.
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Yeah, I can easily understand where someone would think that I'm over thinking things, but I just can't overcome my upbringing and background. :biggrin: :face::haha: While in the military, The environment that I worked in had a myriad of things that could kill you if you didn't operate them properly. Or I worked on and repaired vessels where lives depended on the work, not to mention the loss of multi-billion dollars pieces of equipment. One wrong thing done could conceivably bring down a submarine with loss of all life and equipment. In civilian life I was basically in the same dangerous environments, but I was the inspector. Everything had to conform to a either a Set engineering standard or comply with law. Again, safety being the main concern .

A leopard just can't change its spots!:funny::funny::funny:

For me, the IP66 compliance is very key. It satisfies my need for it to be safe. That also allows me to not have to make drastic changes In how I run the tent and grow the girls. I can foliar feed or IPM without a whole lot of worry or change things.

I've already taken all your points into consideration for this type of lighting. For this type of lighting, a Bar style is definitely the most efficient method of delivery. Given the size restraints, it has a good diode count and I like the spectrum. Optimally, it would be done with the new Evo diodes, but they are Samsung and Osram. It uses the aluminum body for its heat sink . The driver is integrated and really that's pretty much the only option with this light mainly being for commercial operations. I did see some that had separate drivers, but everything else was cheesy.
With that smooth REAL glass top it does offer ease of cleaning and there will be no clouding.

I already have one improvement to their light with the home grower in mind. Given the dimensions of the light and the tent that most people will be using this in, the end electrical connections need to be a 90 degree. Even though the light fixture will easily fit in a 4X4, it will still be a pretty tight fit hooked up electrically on both ends. A 90 degree connector on both the power supply and daisy chain connector will significantly reduce the stress that could be imposed upon that connection . That would entail them to Offer three different cords for the home grower...... the Daisy chain connector and both the dimmer and non dimmer power supply cords.

I have a few more questions to ask the guy before I make my final decision, but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna purchase this. I'm also going to try to see if I can get this guy to make a presence here. We can always use more vendors here and this could be an avenue for him to get more into the home growing market............... Which is ever increasing with legalization.

I definitely appreciate your input and with your examples, we can all see that under Canopy lighting does work!:headbang::headbang::headbang::pass:
my bad, I understand your concerns a bit better now. I actually spent 10 years in electronic manufacturing. Some of the stuff we built was for Nasa and the military. They all had to be IPC3 compliant. I'm no engineer, but I would be concerned with the heat. I'm not a big fan of having the led's and the drivers enclosed like that. I would opt for a conformal coating.
 
I have a lightrail in my big room to move the light.
 
Might you get similar benefit from running deep red vs. full spectrum LEDs under the canopy?
I'm sure there would be some sort of difference, but I likely appeal of the better penetration with the red.
my bad, I understand your concerns a bit better now. I actually spent 10 years in electronic manufacturing. Some of the stuff we built was for Nasa and the military. They all had to be IPC3 compliant. I'm no engineer, but I would be concerned with the heat. I'm not a big fan of having the led's and the drivers enclosed like that. I would opt for a conformal coating.
I'm pretty sure the aluminum heat sinks will suffice for the safety and longevity of the light. Remember this is a commercial light.

I have plenty of good flowing air at the bottom also. I've got this tent dialed in pretty damn well. I changed the monitoring positions for the AC Infinity quite a few times and it was still all very stable. I've had an extremely stable grow room environment since I installed the window unit. There is no exchange of the grow room air. I'm able to run CO2 augmentation.

I'm organic too and I'm not really adverse to some heat in the root system. It's good for biological activity. I always warm my water and when I apply it's 85 degrees.


I definitely appreciate all the input guys!:headbang::headbang::headbang::pass:
 
I always warm my water and when I apply it's 85 degrees.
Interesting. I've always liked giving them a cool drink. Water holds more oxygen around 70. But I'm also hydro. You like the warmer temps to maintain the biological activity? I'd assume soil temp won't change much or for too long with slightly cooler feeds but could stunt whatever living things you're feeding
 
I've got heat management pretty much under control very easily in the 4x4 tent. The AC Infinity exhaust fan has a great amount of flow . I have two intakes on the tent. I have a large one at the very bottom for the majority of the air flow through the tent. I have a much smaller intake at the top that is directed at the HLG DIABLO 650R. That's the Diablo's only negative is that the driver is not remote mounted. With circulation fans placed on the diagonal, I get a very even air flow and temperature in the tent.

The only other thing that I will probably change is making a bit thicker amount of straw to make sure the worms will come up to the proper level without the light shying them away.

Now, being totally realistic, there are just some instances where this can't really be utilized that well or at least optimally. If I'm growing a short quick growing auto, these lights would become more of a side lighting set up. Just not enough room to be able to turn the lights up without harming the plant when used as an under canopy light.

And really with this particular spectrum of this light, I don't think I'm going to add the supplemental deep red that I have in the 2X4 tent. I had intended on running the Mars Hydro Supplemental Deep Red and Infrared lighting. The infrared to wake them up and put them to sleep quicker and then the deep red for its obvious attributes. I think I've got really good results from the use of my deep red in my 2X4 tent.

I do have to say though that with the HLG DIABLO 650R, I do have quite firm buds all the way down on my current grow of Asian Haze. They are smaller but pretty close to being the same density. II think a great deal of that is from the red that's in the light. I've seen very similar results from using the Mars hydro supplemental deep red in the 2X4 tent. The penetration of the red is just much better and more efficient. And that's why I think that this supplemental under Canopy light will be a good improvement on the current setup in the 4x4 tent.

If my 2X4 tent was a taller gorilla tent, I would later on try the same system in that smaller tent. That's 540 watts!
The Mars Hydro tent is really just too short to do something like this. The ducting openings are not really conducive to good air flow either. I don't utilize, in any tent, the screened velcro inlets at the very bottom. That's just too much work to make it consistent. I'm not opening and shutting these on all the tents at the change of light cycles!

I use ducting to bring in my air to my tent and direct it to where I want it. I have to take outside air and direct it all the way down to the bottom in the Mars tent. I lose a lot of efficiency with that long ducting. Even with two inlet ducting bringing in air, I pretty much have to have the 6 inch fan set one click higher than what I have on the 4x4 tent to maintain the same VPD growroom wide.

Damn Asian Haze! It's rabbit hole food! :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :baked::pass:

Have you ever ran a simple scrog net? I'm not trying to shit on under canopy lighting; I just think there are ways to maximize your existing lighting without having to purchase additional lights and use extra electricity, when a simple trellis net (that is super cheap) could be be utilized instead?
 
I forgot to mention I have a 4" fan directly under the driver on my SF1000. I also give my girls warm water, if you look to the right side you'll see the pint bottles. I can put 16 there which is plenty to cover their needs, I just have to continue restocking as I use them.
 
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