Photoperiod Teetee goes to the 'dark side'
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A world record for all the wrong reasons . 
No different than auto's teetee bruv................... there is little doubt, you are a very experienced culturist. The difference is, as we have established, through the run off analysis. it is, after 5yrs at it, the first "DU
" cocco batch you have had.................... probably due to a "New Employee" at House&Garden, turned up for work in the Netherlands, on a Saturday morning, massive puff hangover, left the acid wash tap open, to long, "Overwashed" the cocco to fuc.................. Cocco batch, Ph fell like a stone.................... and the duff batch ended up in your tent bruv..., the kid probably though aw ive fuced that one, better put it on the "Outside Eu" pallet !!.......... say no more.A run off of 4.1 after only just 4-5wks of a "LOW 0.8 Ec", nute application, not exactly acidic nute build up in the medium !! and not enough time for a nute build up in the "NEW" cocco to drop the Ph to a 4.1 run off bruv.............no way................. you get my point....................
The difference is, you have the scientific measuring kit, (Ph Pen / Ec Pen)............ to measure, and analyze your way out of the Ph pickle........... those that dont understand the chemistry of bases & alkali's, when they get a duff batch of medium (As We All Do Inevitably)......... they do not know how to analyze the issue and prescribe a path back to black.................. in other words............ they are up a creek, and no paddle !!, or clue what to do, to recover the issue, not of their making. Would rather understand the chemistry, find out what is a play................ adapt, adjust, apply & recover the issue, chemically............
You is now at day 48, (Today), the internodes have been staggered a while tee........ you gotta flip em now bruv ok.......... alls ok, just dont want to drag em along the 18/6 route for much longer man.......
keep the Ph6.8 0.8Ec feed going in.......and up the cal/mag by 30% of your current inclusion ok, theres calcium in there and we need it in the medium !.......... the Df aint keen above 0.9 believe me !!, but wont mind the extra nitro bro.......... the greening up of the fans on PAK2 shows the prescription is working it's potenz of hydrogen rectification bruv.......... we are at what day 6-8 of treatment, right now, Ph in the run off's is rising........... i can see in the Df thin sativa leaves, reversing the veinial schlorosis, the centre of the leaf is greening in................. hit us with the 4th run off analysis, with any luck, it will be up at 5.8 to 6.........
Nice work turning these dames round bruva.......... your persistence will be rewarded here, as we will (All) see, it may speed up post 12/12 flip, as the energy directed into the root mass production, constant during veg, will also be redirected, and rendered into reconstruction of mobile monomer's (Mobile Nutrients), in the plants leaves.....assisting recovery tee. I bet the women at the shop, thinks you are the new bake off king, as you walk out with 10no 50ml bi-carb cylinders !!......... that man is "Cooking"........... yea CANNABIS !! AM
Hi again, it's day 53 and this grow is STILL in veg!!!
I have been fart-arsing about with the pH issues and had a partial recovery, but I really wanna flip these bitches and move on.
The PAK2 and Des Fran were getting tall, so on Saturday, day 50, I decided to take action and placed a small sheet of mesh over them and supercropped the branches of the plants onto it....
clockwise from back left: PAK2, DF, PAK1 and Gorilla
Here's a close up of the PAK2:
and the Des Fran:
The Gorilla's side stems were just at the height of the mesh, and she hasn't been growing very well, so it wasn't worth it, and the PAK1 was healthy but too short....
The PAK2 and Des Frans recovered very quickly, and when I checked the next morning, the tops were all pointing up and it's now been 3 days, so here they are all together today on day 53....
and a closer look at the back two...
PAK2 is very happy, nice and green and has loads of tops....
I gave her a good trim under the mesh....
I kept a couple of shorter stems and pulled them out so they can get a bit of light, only because their tops looked like they were growing vigorously...
Des Frans is looking a lot paler... still very low pH readings from the run off... pH 5.1 even though I'm feeding pH 6.8 feed.
Here's how she looks...
Lots of tops, so hopefully she'll be OK.
I gave her a good trim below the mesh as well...
There's a bit of the PAK1 there in the bottom right... here's a better look...
She's about 25cm high and has 9 decent looking stems...
I feed the PAKs an EC 0.9 feed at pH 6.3.... that gives me a pH 5.3 run off.
Gorilla is beginning to pick up, the poorliest of the bunch is now 50cm tall, and the mesh is at 35cm.
So she's growing again, and just in time!
I am giving the Des Fran and Gorilla the same EC 0.9 feed as the PAKs, but adjusted to pH 6.8. The Gorilla gives me a pH 5.3 run off, so it seems the acidity in the medium has improved from the pH 4.4 that I was getting 2 weeks ago.
I plan to flip them tomorrow, just straight to 12/12, rather than 15/9 then 12/12 as I don't know how long to keep them on 15/9 for, and I just wanna get this shit done!
All the best with your grows, thanks for dropping in!
I have been fart-arsing about with the pH issues and had a partial recovery, but I really wanna flip these bitches and move on.
The PAK2 and Des Fran were getting tall, so on Saturday, day 50, I decided to take action and placed a small sheet of mesh over them and supercropped the branches of the plants onto it....
clockwise from back left: PAK2, DF, PAK1 and Gorilla
Here's a close up of the PAK2:
and the Des Fran:
The Gorilla's side stems were just at the height of the mesh, and she hasn't been growing very well, so it wasn't worth it, and the PAK1 was healthy but too short....
The PAK2 and Des Frans recovered very quickly, and when I checked the next morning, the tops were all pointing up and it's now been 3 days, so here they are all together today on day 53....
and a closer look at the back two...
PAK2 is very happy, nice and green and has loads of tops....
I gave her a good trim under the mesh....
I kept a couple of shorter stems and pulled them out so they can get a bit of light, only because their tops looked like they were growing vigorously...
Des Frans is looking a lot paler... still very low pH readings from the run off... pH 5.1 even though I'm feeding pH 6.8 feed.
Here's how she looks...
Lots of tops, so hopefully she'll be OK.
I gave her a good trim below the mesh as well...
There's a bit of the PAK1 there in the bottom right... here's a better look...
She's about 25cm high and has 9 decent looking stems...
I feed the PAKs an EC 0.9 feed at pH 6.3.... that gives me a pH 5.3 run off.
Gorilla is beginning to pick up, the poorliest of the bunch is now 50cm tall, and the mesh is at 35cm.
So she's growing again, and just in time!
I am giving the Des Fran and Gorilla the same EC 0.9 feed as the PAKs, but adjusted to pH 6.8. The Gorilla gives me a pH 5.3 run off, so it seems the acidity in the medium has improved from the pH 4.4 that I was getting 2 weeks ago.
I plan to flip them tomorrow, just straight to 12/12, rather than 15/9 then 12/12 as I don't know how long to keep them on 15/9 for, and I just wanna get this shit done!
All the best with your grows, thanks for dropping in!
That is peculiar, the DF cocco, seems the worst affected, with the run off trailing behind at 5.1, up from 4.1!!! admittedly.......
I havent asked before tee, but what is the Ph of your rainwater, before you add anything, straight out of the tank etc ??.....(There is such a thing as acid rain!)....... if this where low (Acid rain single rain event) though, you would see it show up when you do your final Ph'ing etc....... as it would be lower at final check etc....
The PAK 2 is in full recovery as the Ph has risen a lot more than the DF... PAK1&2 and gorrila is loving the Ph6.3 feed !!
To speed up the DF's Ph recovery, back to alkaline ballance, in the DF duff cocco batch tee, we may have to buy in some canna calcium treatment, or use silicone Ph up, to get the Ph up at 7.5 in the DF feed, when you feed the Df. As the weaker Bi-carb, is doing the job, but will only lift the res Ph to a max of 6.8 was it ??............... we need 7.5 going in right now........ adding more cations to the cocco....... will lift Ph quicker....
Accordingly, we need a more potent alakline source to drive the DF cocco medium Ph back into range minimum 5.8............ up from 5.1 now............ the target is 6.3, thats an increase of 5.1 to 6.3 a whole Ec of 1.2....... still quite a bit to lift...........
The DF veins in the leaves are beginning to re-fill with nitrogen............. greening up a tad........ but she is still struggling with a largly acidic medium at 5.1..................... by the way, from 4.1 to 5.1 is a 1000 fold increase in Ph from 4.1 we started with !!..to 5.1 now............. so nice consistent recovery work applied there tee, to get it to where we are now..........
I dont think this Df will hit her know max height of 2.6m !!.......... she was 70cm before the scrogg supercrop, and was also topped out at the right time.............. so it wont be x5 stretch !! more like 60cm above the nett......... there are a lot more bud sites on her than the others, so if we get the Ph back in.............
she will defo be a good yield......... but unfortunately tee, i can see now at this stage of her development, she is the "Meow" pheno.................. which means she has had 7wk's veg, she will now need at least 10wks flowering........ if not more..(17wks total)....... she will comes up 60cm to 80cm above the scrogg.............. was so hoping it would be the oxacou pheno tee man.......
I have 4no auto Df's, only one though has pheno'ed up meow, one is ultra nute sensitive, @Ec0.6 nute only has thrown a 20% phos burn !! speckled yellow, not brown spot nute burn, or whole yellow leaf = phos deff, she threw a phos burn................ when it broke out after a Ec0.9 feed ! i thought it was spider mite !!......... with the micro yellow speckling along the whole leaf.....
weirdly, though, it's not the meow pheno that was phos sensitive.. the 4 are wk7 right now........... 2 are normal, one is phos sensitive, the 4th is meow pheno........ ?? beginning to think F26+ is to far down the 4 way hybridized, F26 backcross line !!...........
The first set of DF beans i had, during the non media test grow, where mental........... the second set where all meow, and at wk14 where no where near a bud you could chop down, they got binned at wk 15 !! as the next grow beckoned in !!.................. swore i would never run it again, as i mentioned to you at the time.
Thought to myself, the auto version, should throw more than 40% oxcaou, 60% meow pheno...... it was 50/50 i the end, as the phos sensitive "Auto" DF, aint normal either !!................. might have to try the "canabiogen" version still !! they call it destroyer................... yea if you can get a pheno that is oxcaou or destroyer !! still was though, the most potent psychotic, psychoactive delta 9 carb, i ever did consume, while i was mixing THC with nicotine !!
If you can tee, try to get the Df Ph up, with a higher Ph feed going in ok......... drop a few 7.5 feeds into her, (But Not The Others ok).............. she should green up a tad faster for sure, she is trying very hard to reload her mobile nutrients at the mo............. as an addendum, i did notice that the acidic medium "Delayed" internode staggering by 2-3wks at least, acidity has an affect of miniaturizing the genetic outcome usually, in the acid grow environment.......... hence the Df @wk7 veg only 60cm tall............. proof in that pudding though......
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I did say teetee, we will "All" see them recover................ yey they will continue to get back ontrack too man...
Wishfull thinking, to think they will hit the known height, of 2.6m landrace height !!......... my own un topped fem first run did make 2.1m, from pot top........ that meant, 2ft or more was leaning over into the light at 90 degree's ! after bending over 2ft of the colas super cropping it into the light............ still came out ok though !! that was in a room with a ceiling height of 2.4m !!................ a super bean can be an animal !! ALR
Teetee, this grow is a pleasure to watch because you are so experienced. It is interesting and educational to watch you problem solve in your garden. These things happen to everyone. Conditions are always on eb and flow, be it the temp/rH or water, nutes, light, etc... Thank you for sharing. I always wait for your updates. I love the detail and analysis.
Yeah man! It feels like the boat I'm on has a bloody great hole in it.... burned out by all that acidityMan, your gonna get some swamp donkeys now. Desfran usually will quadruple or even 5x it's size during flower.
Plants looking much better bro, Des Fran dose get very tall so mesh is the way to go.
Cheers Bro, I was a bit heavy handed getting it on, pushing bushy stems through 5cm squares weren't easy and a few nice looking shoots came off in the process.... still, all looking OKish now!
cheers for all the advice Bro. My base water is pH 7.0.....EC 0 rainwater as you know. I'm just about to mix up another 40L!
Well I did flip them as promised, I usually have lights off at 12pm and lights on at 6pm for 18/6 veg, so this morning at about 8.30ish, I adjusted the clock and set the Harvestmaster control unit to 12/12, with lights off at 7.30am and lights on at 7.30pm.
So they went from 18/6 to 14½/11, to 12/12 - Mother Nature must be pissing herself at my feeble attempts to imitate her!
@hecno cheers for those rep points, good of you to do that Bro!
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