Indoor Squid's Second Grow-Duurty Dragon, Diesel Ryder & MI5

[The Squid]

Oh Growbee. You are a trip. And thanks guys! Hugo, I believe you on using all of that early since you have had good results. I am just going to keep it really simple so I can just get this damn ship to sail ya know?

A little water, light, and some soil. I really can't afford any other mix right now, plain and simple. Just cannot do it. I know...it sucks. But I gotta work with what I got. If I drop more I am only dropping a couple and focusing on keeping it simple and small. I would rather grow ONE damn pretty girl than 45 that are runted an stunted.

Thanks guys!

 

[Hugo]

So squid... What are you going to do with this current plants?

@ Cap hey man, we're just discussing ideas right? Definitely not my intention if I sounded someway aggressive at you. I was advising squid about recovering this current plants, and I can only see that happening if he strengthens them to uptake nutrients, you know? I know about some of your miraculous recovers, so I was strange to read you saying humics would not work for him. The way I see it is that in promix you have to give them food from early age: 14 days or even less. this current plants have been without food and apparently without some water too. that's why I say this plants need kelp and humics at full dose and nutes now that pH is good. We're cool man

 

[The Squid]

Hey Hugo. He wasn't saying at all that the humics wouldn't work. His entire point was that I just need to keep it really simple, so not use anything like that. They were never starved of water just given too much to begin with and now they have had nutes and ok ph for a couple days now and they kinda look worse. I believe Mossy when he says they are just too far gone. So more than likely they will be pulled tonight to tomorrow. They are three weeks behind and so tiny and even if they took off, my yield would most likely barely be worth it.

No worries though. I'm not worried at all. I'm gonna clean house and take a small break of sorts. I want to focus on more research and taking care of Molly, the one MI5 that I do have and she is only a few weeks or so from harvest at almost 7 weeks old. I am also gonna take this time to clean my tent out and just kinda re evaluate and take it down a notch. Keep it super simple. And at some point soon I will get started again.

I appreciate all of your help Hugo. I've got it all figured out now and decided to just take a break from it all for a bit. Take it easy bro.

 

[Hugo]

Yeah squid, I know... I was talking about saving your current grow like you said you wanted and cap was talking about your next growth. Just a mix-up, nothing special

I think you should do that. Sometimes it's better to take a break and see things from afar. Good luck with your MI5, flower karma...

 

[The Squid]

Yeah squid, I know... I was talking about saving your current grow like you said you wanted and cap was talking about your next growth. Just a mix-up, nothing special

I think you should do that. Sometimes it's better to take a break and see things from afar. Good luck with your MI5, flower karma...

No worries my man. Things get mixed up. It's all good. I expect to see you there on my new grow anyway, man. I will still post some here about Molly though. :smokebuds:

 

[Stunted]

Just caught up again.....

Squidy, sorry to hear of all the problems you have been having, chin up and go again I say.
Perseverance will payoff in the end my friend!
I will send you a PM

Stunted Plants
:smokebuds:

 

[The Squid]

3rd times the charm eh, Stunted? Thanks brother. For all of the likes and tagging along.

 

[Taviddude]

Why Captain oh Captain. Glad you came around. No worries on taking it the wrong way. We've been forum buddies long enough for me to know what you mean and all. I appreciate the time you have taken to type me this long reply and for your general concern on my grow.

I went real simple with those last dragons I planted man. Plain Promix in bigger 32 oz cups and just plain ph water until yesterday when I flushed them and then gave a real light feed. And I didn't give them any water for almost two weeks because the cup had been watered prior to planting the germinated bean and they weren't dry. And what's the deal with the plain compost..what's wrong with the Promix?

I backed off on helping as much as I was...and I sit around a lot and am on here a lot as far as the posting goes. I couldn't spend any more time in the tent, I try to forget about them more than I used to instead of constantly checking them and trying to fix things. Just let them grow ya know? I have definitely been trying to keep it simple on the newer ones and I still have issues. And I haven't actually pollenated anything and didn't pan to try to till later. I have two kinds of pollen stored for when that comes. Focusing on the growth of a few females.

All the nutes you see me using are all on that MI5 and she is doing fine.

I am going to try again, but I don't know how to be much more simple. This is what I do:

1. Germinate bean in tupperware with paper towels(2 days and have sprouts basically every time)

2. Fill 32 oz cup full of plain Promix BX and water with plain ph 6.5 water until just a little runoff so that I know it's all the way through. Then I let that sit out for several hours or overnight for full drainage and drying out a little.

3. Plant germinated bean about 1/2 inch down, maybe less. Cover cup with sammich sack with a small hole for some air flow.

4. Place into tent under regular light schedule.

5. Remove bag after it sprouts above mix.

6. Then bam about 12 days later I get issues. They didn't need water that whole time. Tap roots reach bottom by then sometimes, not always.

That's it.

Hey man. I can't believe that no one brought up the fact that (EDIT: Growbean beat me to it) the makers of Pro-mix consider it to be a soilless medium and should be treated as hydro in terms of PH. They reccomend the ph of watering and feed to be at 5.9 but with my limited experience with coco I would go a bit lower than that since the coco will raise the ph the longer your feed/water sits in it as will promix. Not much of a mystery why your plants start getting goofy at 2 weeks with this in mind. I doubt they are running out of nutes at two weeks that's causing your symptoms. For the first two weeks I can grow a plant in plain coco with zero nutes. They live off themselves pretty much for that long. It's then that they begin to need nutrients but are PH locked. Treat it like one would coco and ph your nutes and water to 5.8 and I'll bet the problem is cured. Water a bit more often because the shit they put in promix will tend to raise the PH if you don't water every so often to bring it back down just like coco. Treat it like coco. From the makers of promix bx, it is a soilless mix and should be treated as hydro in terms of ph. 6.5 in coco would have my plants looking BAD. They reccomend the ph of watering and feed to be at 5.9. MFG recomends ph 5.9. It is a soilless mix, and needs to be treated like it. Simple, you're ph is too high for a soilless medium. :buds: :booya:
Seriously bro, start feeding at 5.8 - 5.6 and shit should get better. Just my .02
Peace and love to my Tentacled Friend.

 

[The Squid]

Hey man. I can't believe that no one brought up the fact that the makers of Pro-mix consider it to be a soilless medium and should be treated as hydro in terms of PH. They reccomend the ph of watering and feed to be at 5.9 but with my limited experience with coco I would go a bit lower than that since the coco will raise the ph the longer your feed/water sits in it. Not much of a mystery why your plants start getting goofy at 2 weeks with this in mind. Treat it like one would coco and ph your nutes and water to 5.8 and I'll bet the problem is cured. Water a bit more often because the shit they put in promix will tend to raise the PH if you don't water every so often to bring it back down just like coco. Treat it like coco. From the makers of promix bx, it is a soilless mix and should be treated as hydro in terms of ph. 6.5 in coco would have my plants looking BAD. They reccomend the ph of watering and feed to be at 5.9. MFG recomends ph 5.9. It is a soilless mix, and needs to be treated like it. Simple, you're ph is too high for a soilless medium. :buds: :booya:

Hey there man. I appreciate the concern, but Premier Horticulture, the company that makes Promix, considers Promix as a semi-less medium and they personally recommend a ph of 6.3. In between traditional hydroponics and soil.

I got this info from Jackal and I just plain cannot even begin to question his knowledge.

Thanks again man! :smokebuds:

 

[Taviddude]

I've been digging around a bit and found that this is indeed a common problem and there's a LOT of debate over the PH that should be used with promix. People running PH over 6 all seem to be having problems and share your opinion of "semi-soilless" or are banging their head against the wall wondering what's wrong when people who they trust are telling them to go above 6 and their shit is looking sad. Their are very few complaints from people running promix between 5.5 letting it swing to 6.0. Just saying man. Another thing, manufactures of different nutrients seem to have different recommendations for PH in promix which WILDLY varies. Can't hurt to try it on one plant though... I know you like to experiment, pull out that pioneering spirit, lol.
Peace.