Outdoor Smokey's 2020 Grow - Summer- Autumn Winter

[Waira]

Unlisted private video - sorry i did have to still cover up, pretty sure risk isnt high. Exciting times - about to go soon as almot 5pm - doing 14 hours darkness so girls will be up at 7am ( T5 light till 8am when sun reaches their spot) - 6-7 direct sun then patchy and light suppliments if needed to fill the gap.



crazy SMokey nursing girls on trip to westside for the strong northern and some western sun


Light dep timeeeeeeeeeeeee

I missed this page somehow, thanks for waving me in mate! - who was your engine?

...it's good to have fun and clown in the garden, right? Besides, somebody has to secure the ladiezz for the ride!

 

[smokeyfromau]

Smokey mate, wow what a forest of Haze!
I got you PM,... Let me confirm, is this dropping starting just before sundown? If so, that's a common response, though I've not found out what's behind it,.. mine do the same thing, but it tends to stop during bloom...
If not, next thing is a water issue... you heft the pots all the time I figure, the weight is a big clue about how well moistened the soil is,... If a dry out happened, soil can be bitchy to rehydrate, patchy dry spots can form....and those side slits may let water out before it can soak in,... They have a huge amount of transpiration surface area in that canopy of leaves, and the pots are solid roots by now I wager, so drying out can happen bloody fast even if it's cool-ish... Did I mention using a wetting agent before, yucca or something else? I use that weekly, just to keep the surface soil from crusting up from drying, that and some light surface raking to bust up that surface layer....
....Over watering seems less likely, but if they got really soaked and stayed that way for days, some rot is a distinct possibility,... nothing to do there about that really,...
All that said, you my friend are spanking this grow! Those big girls are very nice, well grown, and are going to bury you in buds! This transition stage and bloom is the tricky part, shifting nute needs, pots/roots are getting stuffed making for fast changes in things,... Whatever you have for a micronutrient source, keep on that along with humic-fulvics, remember most of the micro's are immobile, steady low level supply is what works best... h-f's will help chelate them and keep them available,... Boron is a major player here, so is Si, they are facilitators to all the other nutes transport and metabolism, so they can become bottlenecks if deficient. Actual defc. may not show in the leaves right away, but it will still slow down the whole train!

Thanks Waira mate ! Its a Hazey Shade of winter, lol they do provide some shade when i attend to them. I am trying to think when she had this slight drooping problem. Mine do drop also a bit a sundown, actually ChemOG she really droops when she goes to bed. The girls are not blooming as such atm, but in their 14/10 light darkness grown planI think it mustve dried out, for sure, i used to water every 2-3 days, now they need it more, i guess at their size it would be almost daily maybe. I found the bin lid was good to hold some water like a plant saucer. Yes the top of the pot , the soil is spongy (suspect its mostly root). The potting mix supposed to have extra wetting agents, the water goes through quickly so no drainage issue, but it leaves a few drys spots, so might pay to get searles wetting agent. I think with those pots, over watering would be pretty unlikely.

Thanks mate I did staring giving them Searles 5in1 as it has less N over the Fish and Kelp. 10 v 6.5N. I am scared to jinx the grow lol, as it has been mostly a smooth ride so far. I can expect a few more issues during the bloom period. GoGo juce is low in N and has some fulvic acid, and 5in1 has both acids. Low on the nutes, and a steady low supply when watering. I'll go over what i have in Nutes to see that i can cover the mentioned micro nutes. I ve seen Hecnos Fulvic NTS bottles, and i think i saw them at EasyAsOrganics website.

I missed this page somehow, thanks for waving me in mate! - who was your engine?

...it's good to have fun and clown in the garden, right? Besides, somebody has to secure the ladiezz for the ride!

Waira no problem mate ... lol i just couldnt help myself the cart looked so fun broom broom. The ladies felt safe and we both enjoyed the trip to Eastside, the sun is good on Eastside the girls were saying. The Engine shhhhhh was a secret human form of engine my brother lol. Always fun to clown in the garden, totally is fun mate, i think the green carts, would be too unstable to drive those, I like the Gorilla , its top of the line in the fleet, though might someday mod the green carts





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Update - Fish and help to the ladies and a neem and kelp tea the previous day. A lovely windy at times afternoon at Eastside, and ladies loved it even though very dry 35% humdity, going to be a cold morning it think, wil test the bag seed plants in the vege garden, so far they are doing well
Liberty Haze - she is looking better, even turn to the sun this afternoon. I put her in the cage, nearest to the house to keep her warm

Hazeeeeey Super Lemon Hazee

Durban Poison - most opened of the girls and thickest trunk

Bubba Kush

Random Auto pic - Either , check with number, West Coast OG or Californian Snow

Caliandra Flower

forgot- another photo of cool temperate rainforest at Springbrook.

 

[smokeyfromau]

It appears i got careless somewhere along the awesome run.

All well by the 28th, though previously had a few issues with SLH,, what i can see and hoping is its a water issue and not root rot, as i carelessly havent been watching the Nimbins and a few fungas gnats in the mix, and she is dying off, which made me think, could gnats spread the root rot to the good plants. I am wondering to ditch the nims down back somewhere.

Lastest pics of photo girls - not the best atm
LH

SLH

DP

BBK she still the same doing great

Nimbin A - dying bud, some braches ? root rot and gnat invasion

roots seem okay, lol plastic bucket (lucky one) is pretty much toast

 

[Shiva's Mistress]

Those photos are getting huge.

Let me get this right:
You started them for quite a while on 20/4,
then a couple of weeks ago changed to 14/10.

What's the plan?

Are you hoping that they'll flower on 14/10?
Or are you just transitioning to soon move to 13/11 or 12/12?
Are you then planning on just using the natural daylight hours once you get closer to Sept/Oct to finish them off?

Trying to understand your plan for this winter + light dep grow model.

 

[smokeyfromau]

Those photos are getting huge.

Let me get this right:
You started them for quite a while on 20/4,
then a couple of weeks ago changed to 14/10.

What's the plan?

Are you hoping that they'll flower on 14/10?
Or are you just transitioning to soon move to 13/11 or 12/12?
Are you then planning on just using the natural daylight hours once you get closer to Sept/Oct to finish them off?

Trying to understand your plan for this winter + light dep grow model.

Hey SM
Thanks , Yes for 14 weeks around 20/4 due to them being small and sort of slow to start.

Yes i am hoping they will flower on 14 hours darkness , 10 yours light ( direct sun 7 hours) light, and bed at 5pm. Darkish by 5;30pm. The sun is mostly gone by 3pm at this tme of year.

Maybe 14/10 is too much over say 12/12

Winter plan is that these girls should be done Sept sometime hopefully and Chem OG later. For the Spring grow, i may use natural light then, if i want to finish sooner i would use 12/12 , as summer there is more sun in the valley then. I got some nice ones lined up for that grow, example Dr Grinspoon (he/s very very long flowering period i think 95 days or so) , LSD, Pink Kush etc.

close up pics of pisels that formed since changed lighting. I hope they start producing more pistels soon

 

[Shiva's Mistress]

Hey SM
Thanks , Yes for 14 weeks around 20/4 due to them being small and sort of slow to start.

Yes i am hoping they will flower on 14 hours darkness , 10 yours light ( direct sun 7 hours) light, and bed at 5pm. Darkish by 5;30pm. The sun is mostly gone by 3pm at this tme of year.

Maybe 14/10 is too much over say 12/12

Okay, understood.

Not sure if you read it, I wrote a bit of a rant about what light hours are needed to induce flowering on the LBH thread.

My method is like this:

Take the breeder information about the date when they finish outdoors and also how many weeks they take indoors.
Assuming speed of flowering to maturity indoors and outdoors is the same (big assumption, but better than nothing),
I then deduct the indoor flowering time from the outdoor finishing date.
This is the flowering induction date.
Then look to see how many hours of sunlight at the latitude of the breeder.

E.g. maybe some sativa dominant plant that takes 10 weeks = 70 days indoors, and finishes mid October outdoors.
Take 70 days away from mid October gives maybe the start of Aug.
Maybe it's a Spanish breeder (Dinafem, Sweet), maybe Barcelona, and you get 14+ / 10- hrs.
If it was Dutch, then 13+ / 10- hrs.

I do have a point for all this...
I'm not sure 14/10 will be low enough to really bring on the flowering.

Though... from your pics below, I can see that you've got some pistils coming through, so something is working!!!

Winter plan is that these girls should be done Sept sometime hopefully and Chem OG later. For the Spring grow, i may use natural light then, if i want to finish sooner i would use 12/12 , as summer there is more sun in the valley then. I got some nice ones lined up for that grow, example Dr Grinspoon (he/s very very long flowering period i think 95 days or so) , LSD, Pink Kush etc.

close up pics of pisels that formed since changed lighting. I hope they start producing more pistels soon

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I like those pink / purple tinges.
I usually see that with low temps, maybe below 15C or so.
They tend to fade away when the leaves grow bigger, but maybe shows she has some color in her genetics.

 

[smokeyfromau]

Okay, understood.

Not sure if you read it, I wrote a bit of a rant about what light hours are needed to induce flowering on the LBH thread.

My method is like this:

Take the breeder information about the date when they finish outdoors and also how many weeks they take indoors.
Assuming speed of flowering to maturity indoors and outdoors is the same (big assumption, but better than nothing),
I then deduct the indoor flowering time from the outdoor finishing date.
This is the flowering induction date.
Then look to see how many hours of sunlight at the latitude of the breeder.

E.g. maybe some sativa dominant plant that takes 10 weeks = 70 days indoors, and finishes mid October outdoors.
Take 70 days away from mid October gives maybe the start of Aug.
Maybe it's a Spanish breeder (Dinafem, Sweet), maybe Barcelona, and you get 14+ / 10- hrs.
If it was Dutch, then 13+ / 10- hrs.

I do have a point for all this...
I'm not sure 14/10 will be low enough to really bring on the flowering.

Though... from your pics below, I can see that you've got some pistils coming through, so something is working!!!






I like those pink / purple tinges.
I usually see that with low temps, maybe below 15C or so.
They tend to fade away when the leaves grow bigger, but maybe shows she has some color in her genetics.

Yess i remember SM your post rant. I guess now the plants are getting some natural light and then no sun *still light* till bed 6pm and up at 7am. The 12/12 could be supplimented lights at 4-6pm light out and then 8am outside.

I would like to see more development with the flowers, i started on 23rd of June. By september and october the hours would be higher.
Date and Time says around 10hours daylight atm.

Not getting 10hours of sunlight though, but i guess other light is included. Direct sun is 7hours
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/australia/gold-coast

I would have to look at Dutch Passion( Holland by the name) , Barney Farms ( maybe holland or usa) and Greenhouse times (they are Holland based)

Edit: nice purple tones are Durban Poison, i think she can have purple on her buds

 

[Shiva's Mistress]

The science of gardening!
Barney's Farm is also from The Netherlands.

Though I wonder if all the Dutch breeders actually grow all their strains / make seeds there,
or if a lot of it is now moved to Spain.
I guess they still have harvest date, but for what latitude is that date supposed to be?

 

[smokeyfromau]

The science of gardening!
Barney's Farm is also from The Netherlands.

Though I wonder if all the Dutch breeders actually grow all their strains / make seeds there,
or if a lot of it is now moved to Spain.
I guess they still have harvest date, but for what latitude is that date supposed to be?

Maybe so SM, as since Holland is now part of the EC, it has EC laws, so its not as a free country as it was once. so maybe they have moved to Spain most of the Dutch breeders. It could either Holland or Spain the harvest date on their websites. Haha i am now wondering about my light plan.


I had a look at date and time website

Daylight hours 10,20 hrs end of month 10.47 July
August 10.48 to 11.20 end of month
September 11,30 hrs end of month 12.18
October 12,27- 13,05 end of month

 

[Growtogrow]

The science of gardening!
Barney's Farm is also from The Netherlands.

Though I wonder if all the Dutch breeders actually grow all their strains / make seeds there,
or if a lot of it is now moved to Spain.
I guess they still have harvest date, but for what latitude is that date supposed to be?

Maybe so SM, as since Holland is now part of the EC, it has EC laws, so its not as a free country as it was once. so maybe they have moved to Spain most of the Dutch breeders. It could either Holland or Spain the harvest date on their websites. Haha i am now wondering about my light plan.


I had a look at date and time website

Daylight hours 10,20 hrs end of month 10.47 July
August 10.48 to 11.20 end of month
September 11,30 hrs end of month 12.18
October 12,27- 13,05 end of month

Hey guys I hope everybody's well today.

So y'all know I practice light deprivation every year for 6 year's... now
And I use the same techniques inside as I do outside... no matter what photo plant I run. Same techniques super cropping manipulating everything that I do inside I can do outside no matter what it is. Except for CO2 that might be a little bit difficult but I really don't see any reason to use CO2 but if you did it would just be a bubble boy thing right.

@Shiva's Mistress... SM you have a lot of research my friend you did a lot of work there. And I don't want to cut down your research it looks like you did a lot. I can see the passion in it my friend.

But I'm here to tell you the truth my friend... and the truth will set you free.

This plant doesn't care where it grows at or what the time of day that the breeder area has grown cannabis plant at... she is actually a very simple plant with simple rules.
She only cares about....is the light , food temperature, wind an CO2 and the water that she gets.

She doesn't care about nothing else.

Y'all know.. I'm right...
or I wouldn't be growing like I grow...

So with that being said...
A cannabis plant will finish when it finishes no matter what the Breeders says...

I always throw their shit underneath the bus....

Because it doesn't matter what they say...the only thing that matters is.....Is if the plants got a long flower period or a short flower period...

Sativas are known to be long flowering plants. with flowering times up to As Long As 18 weeks I've seen with the Neville's Haze.
And hybrids are in between depending on which way they lean (sativa or indica) there around 7 to 10 weeks at the outside and indicas are generally short flowering time... anywhere between 6 to 9 weeks. Respectively......

Those are the important things that the breeder can give you. Along with knowing yield size and THC content or CBD content...everything else pretty much means nothing to me.

I've grown thousands... I'm not sure how many of thousands but a lot cannabis plants. In the Wild guerrilla-style.... inside artificial lighting.... outside natural and my favorite using light deprivation techniques...

All of my photo Plants that I've grown in the last 8 years will and Do flower at 13 hours of light and 11 hours dark....I've Never had one not....flower in that light to dark ratio.
Some will swing at 14.5 hours light.

I run my light inside or outside at 13 hours on and 11 hours off always everyday....
As I get the most bang for my buck at 13 hours of light because the plant needs it and wants it and uses it....

BIG BUDS SHORT TIME...

And you can see the proof is in my pudding in every single grow... that I do...and I can tweak it...by vegging longer or vegging shorter before the flip.
Also I'm studying light and tweaking with far red light spectrum as well. Still studying and experimenting with these LEDs and the new lights technology that I've been studying
but it's all is very promising. As the initial tests using the 315 CMH 41k light and high-quality far red chips LED light bars over top of the silver haze triple threat before I flip her to flower in this 2020 outside grow...

That's how I run my light 13 on and 11 off.

The only fubar plants are the damn fast auto strains... those you can't count on nothing they are Fubar from the get-go....and I DON'T TRUST NONE OF THEM ...
ZERO... 00000...

Well now you all know my evil little secrets.

Pass them on to everybody you know. And we can all grow mammoth monster size plants that make us happy all day and all night....