self pollinating to create more seeds.

[realcarlos]

I've had 100% bad results from the two s1's I've tried one was a seed that was over $25! Ecsd s1. And the other one was a northern lights I selfed myself using STS and the above method, reversed a clone and pollenated a sister clone... Also got hermies in the offspring... It's sorta has put me off from selfing and has made me realize also the purple chem auto I am working is an all fem line, so I purchased both the reg verisions of what makes up the purple chem to throw back some male vigor in the mix....
A plant that pollenates itself from being reversed by one branch i think would potentially stress the plant hence the seeds from the same plant (not another one of it clones) possibly would cause more hermies in the off spring? either way it's good practice to make your own beans so you have a good supply of stock you don't care about and can experiment and dial your grow in without wasting expensive seeds...
:karma Cloud:
:Sharing One:

Yoda: Were these photos or autos you had issues with?

 

[pop22]

I thought it was very difficult to get a good clone of an auto? It would seem you'd have to clone it very early, say at the third node to have it be viable. I've yet to read on here about anyone having success with cloning autos, so if anyone on this thread has, had success with this process, and has reversed it, please explain how.

 

[Grey Bear]

I have "cloned" an auto.
It is no harder than taking a cutting from anything else.
Try it, seriously.
I did it when making some photo clones just to see if they root and grow.
There is no advantage to doing it for yield increase as you actually suffer a gross and net loss, but for seed production I could see this working pretty well.

 

[EverythingsHazy]

I've had 100% bad results from the two s1's I've tried one was a seed that was over $25! Ecsd s1. And the other one was a northern lights I selfed myself using STS and the above method, reversed a clone and pollenated a sister clone... Also got hermies in the offspring... It's sorta has put me off from selfing and has made me realize also the purple chem auto I am working is an all fem line, so I purchased both the reg verisions of what makes up the purple chem to throw back some male vigor in the mix....
A plant that pollenates itself from being reversed by one branch i think would potentially stress the plant hence the seeds from the same plant (not another one of it clones) possibly would cause more hermies in the off spring? either way it's good practice to make your own beans so you have a good supply of stock you don't care about and can experiment and dial your grow in without wasting expensive seeds...
:karma Cloud:
:Sharing One:

You got herms from seeds that were pollinated by a clone? As in, the seed making parent was never sprayed with anything? If so, that seems to say more about that plant's genetics than the practice of selfing IMO Unles that isn't what you were saying. Then disregard that lol

 

[nben]

The only way to make S1 seeds with an auto is to take a clone first, then reverse either the clone or the original plant and pollinate the other.
If the clone lives and the timing works out properly you can make fem S1's. I always encourage experimenting but this has been done so much its like trying to prove the earth is flat.. The earth is round and you cant PROPERLY make fem seeds by selfing a partially reversed auto. simply use two plants, reverse one and make fem seeds with the other.

But if you made a clone and then made seeds with the parent's pollen would you still run into hermie trouble? That's why I was thinking it was better to clone and then self. If not I think I am going to bale on the experiment. Seems too long of a haul to get frustrated in the end...

 

[nben]

Evol is offline at the moment but on this thread you can see some other responses. He knows his stuff! Just confusing without his clarification if you can use a clone/mother or if two separate plants are needed. Sorry to refer to you in the third person Evol, just know you aren't around right now haha!

The reason I am looking to make seeds from plants is that some seeds are just plain expensive! I have two strains that only had 2 seeds in the pack!! What if one of them fails to germ The one I really want to duplicate is Auto Melon Gum, two seeds for 50 I think. I really want to get my money's worth from it! Not to mention the scary waiting period for delivery. I am terrified every time I place an order. I know they say it's most likely to just be confiscated but it still scares the hell out of me! I don't have a safe mailing address so my ass just hangs out in the air.

Edit: OMG forgot the link hahaha!! https://www.autoflower.org/f117/giving-self-pollination-try-akr-journal-32750-2.html

 

[evol]

If you cut a clone from a female auto. Then spray the plant with cs to start the reversal while the clone roots you may have a chance for good fem seeds.
The problem comes in the timing of it all. you would want to allow the mother to recover before spraying so it isnt stressed too much. You also have to allow the seeds to mature before harvest and the clone may not live long enough for that to happen.

It could all work out but your best bet is to start 1 of each strain and then another one of each about 10 - 14 days later. Take proper care to not kill or stress them and reverse the first 2 you started. Use that pollen to seed the other plants. That will give you the least likely chance for herms.

 

[medic grower]

How about slowing down the Clones Growth behavior with cutting down the light cycle??? I mean when there was not much Knowledge bout Autos and People(me included) flowered them on 18/6 or even 12/12 they took ages longer than they take under a 20/4 lc. Could be a option if u want to make Auto Clones to make Seeds.

 

[pop22]

Evol is offline at the moment but on this thread you can see some other responses. He knows his stuff! Just confusing without his clarification if you can use a clone/mother or if two separate plants are needed. Sorry to refer to you in the third person Evol, just know you aren't around right now haha!

The reason I am looking to make seeds from plants is that some seeds are just plain expensive! I have two strains that only had 2 seeds in the pack!! What if one of them fails to germ The one I really want to duplicate is Auto Melon Gum, two seeds for 50 I think. I really want to get my money's worth from it! Not to mention the scary waiting period for delivery. I am terrified every time I place an order. I know they say it's most likely to just be confiscated but it still scares the hell out of me! I don't have a safe mailing address so my ass just hangs out in the air.

Edit: OMG forgot the link hahaha!! https://www.autoflower.org/f117/giving-self-pollination-try-akr-journal-32750-2.html

My reasoning for getting into breeding was partly the same reason, some of us just can't keep paying that for seeds. Again, I two have some expensive genetics ( That I fortunately got as freebies. ) I have 2 Blueberry Headband. One male and one female. Even though I'm maxed out for space, I made a place for the male, I'm going to pollinate a few buds of the female. Imagine 50-100 seeds or more just from a couple buds! I'll never have to buy that strain again. And now I'm breeding some auto. Not selfing, at least not yet.

Go for it, and gook luck. We'll all be ahppy to see your results!

 

[nben]

Thanks so much for the input Evol!! I knew you would have the answer


Medic Grower, the only way I have ever heard of slowing down an Auto is temperature manipulation. I have no idea where this grain of sand is but I read a thread where a guy kept his auto in the garage over the winter. It never flowered until it started getting warmer outside. He had it by a window which was it's only source of light. This may jive with your lower light hours but he seemed adamant that it was the temperature.

I will say that my results from strictly growing in DWC seem to produce plants that flower much, much longer than their soil grown siblings that I see on the threads (at least seeds of the same strain). They don't even really seem to yellow during late flower, they just stay green and seem to keep pushing new pistils.

My last plant was a blueberry and she was getting overripe towards the end and I simply started cutting off budding branches from the top down as they matured. All flowers had white pistils on them when they were harvested. They just keep right on growing. It could be just the strains I have grown or the fact that I don't flush also... Yes, I do not flush. Evil by most opinions I know