Indoor Ruderalis - where to get them so I can breed

[Columbo]

Guys....
(EMO SCREAM) IT'S BREEDING TIIIIIIIME!!!!!!!
so happy what were the odds to have a male and a female on the same seedling generation???

One thing you can do is create a male from a female using STS (Silver Thio Sulfate), I've done this in the past and breeders do this all the time to get feminized seeds. By treating just one arm, shielding the rest of the plant from spray, you can turn one arm into a male with pollen. BUT, here is the real jewel, The pollen is female XX chromosomes so using the pollen will only give you female plants from the resulting seeds. If you have Girl Scout Cookies, you can modify one arm, use that pollen to fertilizer the flowers on the same plant and will have Girl Scout Cookies feminized seeds as a resullt. Or, use that pollen for impregnating some other Autoflower strain, and you have a cross.

Right now I have plants growing that are a cross of Jack Herer Auto X High Density Auto and are growing, as females plants, very nicely. Anxious to see how the end result, the flowers, smoke.

 

[Budgie45]

can you force a female auto to grow pollen sacks

If you want to use rudi seeds by all means do, but it's just going to set you back years in your quest make your strain into an auto. It will take many generations to breed all of the undesirable rudi traits out.

Most modern autoflowers have essentially 0% ruderalis content. All the rudi donated was one particular trait. Once that trait was isolated, nobody needs to grow ruderalis to make autos.

I'd wager that most of the elite auto breeders today have never even seen a ruderalis plant in person.

You'd be better off selecting an existing auto that's similar to the strain you are trying to recreate as an auto. That way you can achieve your goal in 5-7 BX instead of 20+ generations it will take to purge all of the ruderalis.

 

[Columbo]

can you force a female auto to grow pollen sacks

Yes, it is an interesting thing to do. I did it last year and this year. I treated my Girl Scout Cookies Auto female plant's one arm with STS every morning and night for about 5 days. It grew male pollen sacs. Nice thing is that the pollen, since it came from only a female plant, has XX chromosomes, meaning all female. Also, since it came from the GSC auto strain, it still carries the DNA of that strain. So if I add that pollen back to another GSC or even itself and fertilize the flower the seeds are going to be GSC, but all female. I have pollen from that GSC and I used it to pollinate my Zkittlez Auto, my Gellato #33 Auto and will pollinate a few buds of my Bubba Kush Auto. Results from that will be some DNA from the GSC and some DNA from which I cross it with. Will see how well it turns out in the crosses next year.

 

[Budgie45]

Yes, it is an interesting thing to do. I did it last year and this year. I treated my Girl Scout Cookies Auto female plant's one arm with STS every morning and night for about 5 days. It grew male pollen sacs. Nice thing is that the pollen, since it came from only a female plant, has XX chromosomes, meaning all female. Also, since it came from the GSC auto strain, it still carries the DNA of that strain. So if I add that pollen back to another GSC or even itself and fertilize the flower the seeds are going to be GSC, but all female. I have pollen from that GSC and I used it to pollinate my Zkittlez Auto, my Gellato #33 Auto and will pollinate a few buds of my Bubba Kush Auto. Results from that will be some DNA from the GSC and some DNA from which I cross it with. Will see how well it turns out in the crosses next year.

Thanks for the answer
I just did this to 2 female normal plants got like 200 seeds,was just wondering about doing it with the autos,I used silver colloidal,what is sts

I don’t want to have to throw the plant out after spraying it with silver

 

[Budgie45]

Yes, it is an interesting thing to do. I did it last year and this year. I treated my Girl Scout Cookies Auto female plant's one arm with STS every morning and night for about 5 days. It grew male pollen sacs. Nice thing is that the pollen, since it came from only a female plant, has XX chromosomes, meaning all female. Also, since it came from the GSC auto strain, it still carries the DNA of that strain. So if I add that pollen back to another GSC or even itself and fertilize the flower the seeds are going to be GSC, but all female. I have pollen from that GSC and I used it to pollinate my Zkittlez Auto, my Gellato #33 Auto and will pollinate a few buds of my Bubba Kush Auto. Results from that will be some DNA from the GSC and some DNA from which I cross it with. Will see how well it turns out in the crosses next year.

Do you have to throw the plant away after treating it with STS even if you spray couple of branches

 

[Bob's Auto's]

You can't use it for smoking anymore. The STS supposedly travels through the entire plant.

 

[Budgie45]

What you use it for,

 

[Bob's Auto's]

Read this first.
I know I should be trashing them, but can't get over it throwing all those nice trichomes away. So I'm making bubble from them so as to seperate the trichomes from as much plant material as possible. But, this is my descision and I have no imperical proof that the STS hasn't traveled into the trichomes so I can't recommend you do the same.

 

[Columbo]

All that I have read is telling me NOT to use the plant treated with STS. I assume colloial silver woult be the same. I consider it the price to pay for getting the pollen. Seeds grown from the pollenizaion are ok as they are just Femenized seeds. I do not know what the side effects are of smoking flowers on a plant treated with STS. You'd have to ask those way more experienced and knowlegable than myself. I just read that you don't use that plant treated. What I have done is take a side branch from a Autoflower, snip it and root it as a clone. I did this pretty successfully. Spray that little piece that is separate from all of the other part of the plant and then you can pollinate the "mother" plant you took the cutting from if you want or use the pollen for other crosses. That way it is very small, and isolated. You do not need tons of pollen, and a very small autoflower plant can produce enough pollen for you.

STS stands for Silver Thio Sulfate. From mixing part A and part B into a light tight container. A is Silver Nitrate in solution of RO water (or distilled) B is Sodium Thiosulfate in solution with RO water (or distilled). There is a formula for making part A and B using so many grams of each component in light tight containers. You only mix A + B when you are ready to use and then dilute to around 7:1 with water. That "mixed" solution is kept in light tight container, and kept room temp. They say it is more effective than colloidal silver. It is a function of blocking hormones in the plant.

 

[Budgie45]

All that I have read is telling me NOT to use the plant treated with STS. I assume colloial silver woult be the same. I consider it the price to pay for getting the pollen. Seeds grown from the pollenizaion are ok as they are just Femenized seeds. I do not know what the side effects are of smoking flowers on a plant treated with STS. You'd have to ask those way more experienced and knowlegable than myself. I just read that you don't use that plant treated. What I have done is take a side branch from a Autoflower, snip it and root it as a clone. I did this pretty successfully. Spray that little piece that is separate from all of the other part of the plant and then you can pollinate the "mother" plant you took the cutting from if you want or use the pollen for other crosses. That way it is very small, and isolated. You do not need tons of pollen, and a very small autoflower plant can produce enough pollen for you.

STS stands for Silver Thio Sulfate. From mixing part A and part B into a light tight container. A is Silver Nitrate in solution of RO water (or distilled) B is Sodium Thiosulfate in solution with RO water (or distilled). There is a formula for making part A and B using so many grams of each component in light tight containers. You only mix A + B when you are ready to use and then dilute to around 7:1 with water. That "mixed" solution is kept in light tight container, and kept room temp. They say it is more effective than colloidal silver. It is a function of blocking hormones in the plant.

I did it with some normal seeds 2 female plants,I mite spray one of the gorilla glue plants
And cross
It with the sour kush lol

I didn’t know you cut cut a clone from an auto