Indoor Ruderalis - where to get them so I can breed

[Columbo]

A few pictures of recent success making female pollen from my HWS High Density Auto.

 

[Columbo]

I'm passionate about cross a photoperiod landrace/heirloom heritage kush with Short stuff descendant Ryder Kush improving stabilizing my own personal blend of original autoflower kush.

One thing to keep in mind...... Autoflower trait, from the Ruderallis plant is a recessive gene, not dominant. Photoperiod is dominant So if you cross a landrace strain with any Auto, even Lowrider [HASHTAG]#2[/HASHTAG], or the original Mexican Rudy, your resulting seeds are still going to be photoperiod. They may not be as large as the original landrace, but will still require that shorter growing daylight to trigger, or stimulate the flowering. You'd have to keep crossing the resulting seeds, again with Autoflower and those hybrids will eventually throw a seed or two that is Autoflower. When you have that autoflower you want, you want to turn a branch into female pollen and use that pollen to cross itself and sort of lock in better that Autoflower trait.

 

[William]

One thing to keep in mind...... Autoflower trait, from the Ruderallis plant is a recessive gene, not do minant. Photoperiod is dominant So if you cross a landrace strain with any Auto, even Lowrider [HASHTAG]#2[/HASHTAG], or the original Mexican Rudy, your resulting seeds are still going to be photoperiod. They may not be as large as the original landrace, but will still require that shorter growing daylight to trigger, or stimulate the flowering. You'd have to keep crossing the resulting seeds, again with Autoflower and those hybrids will eventually throw a seed or two that is Autoflower. When you have that autoflower you want, you want to turn a branch into female pollen and use that pollen to cross itself and sort of lock in better that Autoflower trait.

Right. I've been reading the breeder threads. I'm confident about finding auto traits its going to take so many years, myself that's the anticipation. flavor, chemotypes and growth structure coupled along with the recessive auto trait. I'm so en'thralled with the WoS Hindu kush short stuff ryders really beautiful very colorful.

To capture the full uniformity of auto/heritage kush, stick to the F1 IBL, you can see the full expression of the cross and find better successive recombination from separate filial generations to crossbreed the IBL's, No backcross. Photoperiods can have short lifecycles indoors. I wouldn't rule out shared plant beds in f2, grow out as many as possible for the full range of expressions for those characteristic coveted traits and cross them together for uniform recombination. Dont mean to hijack It just takes more time and effort. Really beautiful very colorful to crossbreed original kush ryder seeds today (some years) Then select the most uniform cultivar of that breed/blend and outcross it to Heritage kush.

Of course pertaining to ruderalis i would consider backcross, like were said only considering the auto and fast and early flowering characteristic traits telling apart from dwarf outdoor hemp. There are allele frequency from successive grows to produce sensimilla resin, I believe. So when the stars align genomically, the plant excretes a lot of resin. You know, some will have lots of resin but not the same terpene. So from the F1/f2 You have to find and stabilize The thc BT allele frequency you will get a mixed ratio i forgot the ratio but in segregation its like 25% thc dominant, 25% cbd dominant and 50% 1:1 but you must look it up and read about thc/cbd resin allele inheritance. i think mendels laws apply up to 50% of the thc Dominant chemotypes will have higher resin proportions in the f3 progeny but after that its only 25% and drops to like 12% and so on but the precursor allele for CBG the ruderalis plants may or may not be so much resinous with cbg to produce much resin. The allele cbg frequency of the photoperiod combined with ruderalis for more thc resin the same laws apply, you need plants with high frequencies of resin 50% at f3 gen, so select and cross plants based on the extremes (cross the plants with more resin with each other) make other cultivars of other coveted traits like flavor, flower and structure. and crossbreed that with the resin cultivar when your ready like keep developing the resin cultivar filial gen to F6-F12 and crossbreed that with your other IBL cultivars for the best successive recombination of the hybrid ibl.


I may have gotten the CBG/THC allele frequencies and resin quantity confused, It may just be the same frequency for the resin quantity, CBG and dominant THC chemotype BT allele converting cbg to thc. The sum of the frequencies for all alleles at the locus must equal one.

 

[CanadianStorm]

I was able to get my hands on those seeds. Directly went to Ukraine myself to pick em up. Extremely illegal and hard to get out of the country. Anything related to hemp or canabis is illegal there.

 

[Proph]

There are a few legit sources on social media.. But it seems most people who are wanting them, have no real understanding of them. True Ruderalis seeds are not something most want to breed with. The plant itself doesn't have many desirable traits other than the auto gene. The autos we buy on the market today have bred OUT the Ruderalis traits and have kept the auto gene, which takes years. Ruderalis is also famous for its low yields. There are people growing and breeding with it for preservation purposes.. But have never heard of anyone using them commercially or to profit off of. Here are some pics of some pure landrace Ruderalis autos..

Chebarkul Siberian landrace

Russian landrace

 

[CanadianStorm]

The pictures are kind of representative. It takes a while indeed to keep recessive genes but breeders have love an patience. The seeds I got were from pure siberian ruderalis . slim, not even 1 meter and not bushy. I tried to buy some with seedbanks and it was impossible. none of them offer it. it would kill their hardwork and their autoflow. business because anybody could create their own hybrids ( 10-15 euros for a seed is crazy) . The communitily seems splitted in different opinions. Its crazy. some say its gold some other say its only a ditch weed. but noneless to say, hard as f**** to get them out of the country.

 

[Columbo]

That Ukrainian land race picture reminds me a lot of the cannabis that was growing in Nebraska when I lived there.

 

[Son of Hobbes]

That Ukranian land race picture reminds me a lot of the cannabis that was groing in Nebraska when I lived there.

Nebraska has a tremendous amount of wild hemp!

 

[Columbo]

Stuff back in NE was pretty rampant in central and eastern Nebraska. Grew like you see dandelions.... weed in every road ditch, hay field, ... all over. Many farmers cut and bale hay that had some cannabis in it. Then ranchers, like I knew in Garden County, might buy hay from central/eastern Nebraska and feed their cows as a supplemental hay, mostly in dry years in western NE when there was little 2nd cutting hay put up. Then you would end up with cannabis growing there, and going to seed, being eaten by birds, and other, and spreading around even more. Who knows for sure what sort of possible genetic strains there are there. We used to call it "Nebraska No Buzz" or "ditch weed" but I am sure it may have had some THC content, but who knows for sure...

 

[Kinezokyprios]

The birdseed sold by the state monopoly in Greece before 1992 was supposed to be hemp but most of the time it was sativa and indica landraces either from busted plantations or the licensed producers were using potent landraces for seed production since the law made no provision for thc content back then. Since ruderalis is not unknown in northern Greece and can be found growing there I guess many natural hybrids that were quite potent could be found. Unfortunately 1992 was a year of law change and a violent eradication policy (to prepare for the current EU standards, to which we conformed 25 years after that) and most of this biodiversity was lost. Even the few that kept hemp seeds back then practically cannot use them now since they are 25+ year old specimens. Plus not so many people have the time and resources to experiment and select the phenotypes and strains in their home grow capacity...sowing outdoors at the scale needed is not an option anymore, since policing has become very strict.. dead end situation.