Broooo. Wtf??? not even pure!
Ruderalis. an unsolved puzzle
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I think ruderalis is more like a method of survival than a pure landrace. When people grow it they call it something else and when people don't it go ruderalis and breed in the ditch. You should not bother so much about purity and history of the seeds, if it flower with lights on all the time you can use it. Try hemp seeds from local store.
Don't worry we will figure it out cause we only have a few variables to mess with, temperature, humidity, soil humidity, nutrient levels, light and a few more.
To reduce biological activity the science tells us cold temperature and less light will do that but other techniques may be more easy to apply like under fertilization and drought. We can change all these variables during the plants life cycle so we will figure it out!
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These are pure ruderalis.
It still only took them roughly 6 weeks to flower and produce seed.
Note the inter node spacing, might be hard to see.
It's 6 to 8 inches!
These are 3 of 4 plants doing a seed run.
The 4th was harvested last Friday.
By their very nature, they much prefer having bone dry roots.
The plants also do much better in a cooler enviroment than under hot lights.
This particular run did better growing at a window, than under QB's.
Nutes used were GH trio at a rate of 1.5ml each / 1.5L.
Because the plants were grown in the solo's with peat.
They did need a regular feeding of calmag.
The stain I happen to have would prefer having just decent tap water and calmag only (no nutes).
They tend to burn at nothing.
My tap water is still 180ppm (on the 500 scale), with a ph of 6.8
PH was readjusted to 6.3 for the convenience of the plants in the tent.
The rest of the mix was used to feed the plants in my tent.
When I see people having issues with their grow using auto's.
I think its probably because of a combination of factors, like over watering or to strong a feed that leads to issues.
Cause all auto's have some form of Rudy in them, and this bitch is hard to kill.
It still only took them roughly 6 weeks to flower and produce seed.
Note the inter node spacing, might be hard to see.
It's 6 to 8 inches!
These are 3 of 4 plants doing a seed run.
The 4th was harvested last Friday.
By their very nature, they much prefer having bone dry roots.
The plants also do much better in a cooler enviroment than under hot lights.
This particular run did better growing at a window, than under QB's.
Nutes used were GH trio at a rate of 1.5ml each / 1.5L.
Because the plants were grown in the solo's with peat.
They did need a regular feeding of calmag.
The stain I happen to have would prefer having just decent tap water and calmag only (no nutes).
They tend to burn at nothing.
My tap water is still 180ppm (on the 500 scale), with a ph of 6.8
PH was readjusted to 6.3 for the convenience of the plants in the tent.
The rest of the mix was used to feed the plants in my tent.
When I see people having issues with their grow using auto's.
I think its probably because of a combination of factors, like over watering or to strong a feed that leads to issues.
Cause all auto's have some form of Rudy in them, and this bitch is hard to kill.
That's nice!
The internode spacing may be stretch cause it's hot, did you grow them outdoor?
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No, I planted the seeds in soil on Christmas day.
The plants were kept under the blurples for a couple of days, then I had to leave for work and away from home for days on end.
During their grow, I'd ask my wife to send me pictures at night while I was away.
Tuning the grow via my wife the nurse was a challenge in itself.
My only blessing was that she knew what ppm/ph & ml/L meant!!
I suspect that during their inital grow from seedling to veg, the lights were too high up causing the stretch.
Proof being 2 of 4 plants are 12-14 inches high...and 2 others 18-20.
So it might also be pheno related.
Thats why I have my personnal supply of Rudy seeds going on.
To kinna stabilise the plants I'm working with.
It's a whole lot easier to work with making hybrids when you know the behaviour of 1/2 the parents quite intimately.
The photo parent is a completely different story.
Most people think that throwing two plants together, pollenating,...grow seeds and repeat is easy.
I've got news for you.
If you want to have not only success but an end result to what you expect.
This process can take years, even with 2 to 3 grows a year.
The challenge in and of itself is part of why I enjoy growing.
In my case its not about getting a good buzz from the toke, its about the buzz I get every time I talk to my plants.
Peace,
GC
The plants were kept under the blurples for a couple of days, then I had to leave for work and away from home for days on end.
During their grow, I'd ask my wife to send me pictures at night while I was away.
Tuning the grow via my wife the nurse was a challenge in itself.
My only blessing was that she knew what ppm/ph & ml/L meant!!
I suspect that during their inital grow from seedling to veg, the lights were too high up causing the stretch.
Proof being 2 of 4 plants are 12-14 inches high...and 2 others 18-20.
So it might also be pheno related.
Thats why I have my personnal supply of Rudy seeds going on.
To kinna stabilise the plants I'm working with.
It's a whole lot easier to work with making hybrids when you know the behaviour of 1/2 the parents quite intimately.
The photo parent is a completely different story.
Most people think that throwing two plants together, pollenating,...grow seeds and repeat is easy.
I've got news for you.
If you want to have not only success but an end result to what you expect.
This process can take years, even with 2 to 3 grows a year.
The challenge in and of itself is part of why I enjoy growing.
In my case its not about getting a good buzz from the toke, its about the buzz I get every time I talk to my plants.
Peace,
GC
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I started putting this together on ruderalis; it's not complete by any means and it's a WIP (enough with the disclaimers, right?) lol. Some of it is quoted, some of it copy-and-paste, and some I wrote myself.
But just some food for thought to chew on:
What are Ruderal Species?
Ruderal species are plant species described as those that are first to adapt to/colonize lands disturbed by either natural forces (like fires, flooding, etc) or human forces (construction, roads, mining, agricultural, etc.) Often times during or after these events, the preexisting competitive plant community has been decimated/disrupted (typically killed off,) greatly decreasing the competitive biological demand for resources and leaving a non-competitive area for plant growth with freely available resources. Plants that quickly take advantage of this temporary circumstance are referred to as being “ruderal.” Ruderal species of plants typically dominant these disturbed areas until native plant life beings to take back over.
The word “ruderal” comes from the Latin rūdera, which is the plural form of rūdus, meaning “rubble” or “to grow in waste or refuse.”
Ruderal species of plants tend to share some broad characterized features like fast growing, a rapid completing life cycle, and increased fertility (producing a large amount of seeds.) They are often annuals (plants that complete their life cycle from germination to product ion of seeds within one year and then dies.)
Ruderal plant traits include minimal investment in stress toleration traits, such as tissue defense compounds against herbivores. The consequence is that insects and mammals prefer to consume plant tissues from ruderals that have few of the recalcitrant plant chemical compounds (e.g., phenols and lignins) that make tissues unpalatable and indigestible. There are trade-offs for farmers between growing crops that are highly insect resistant—that grow slowly and produce defensive compounds—and growing crops that rapidly produce desirable food products, which are susceptible to herbivore damage.
The leaf area index (the one sided green leaf area per unit ground area in broadleaf canopies (ie, canopy spread) of ruderal crop plants is generally high, consistent with what could be called a competitive-ruderal, and is important to the ability of crop plants to compete with weeds.
Ruderal plant species are even used by humans as a response to both natural and man-made forces; ruderal plant species are aerially dropped after wildfires to help stop and prevent erosion, are used by industries that strip land (like mining) to help provide soil stability provide a foundation for other plant growth, etc.
Some examples of ruderal species of plants are jimsonweed, henbane, nettle, burdock, cocklebur, and of course, cannabis ruderalis.
There is a typology called Grime’s C-S-R Triangle, a theory by British scientist John Philip Grime used for describing functional plant type life strategies, where plant species are grouped into Competitors, Stress tolerators, and Ruderals (CSR’s.) These types of species survive based on adaptations to the stress and disturbances in the ecosystems they live in.
J. P. Grime identified the two factor gradients, broadly categorized as disturbance and stress, which limit plant biomass.
Stresses include factors such as the availability of water, nutrients, and light, along with growth-inhibiting influences like temperature and toxins.
Disturbance encompasses herbivory, pathogens, anthropogenic interactions, fire, wind, etc.
The three life strategies commonly used to categorize plants based on their environment emerging from high and low combinations of stress and disturbance are:
Competitors are typically low disturbance, low stress species. They are characterized by fast growing vegetation with high plant plasticity (plasticity refers to a plants ability to cope and adapt to its environment.)
Stress-tolerators are described as low disturbance, high stress species (an example would be perennials adapted to arid climates.)
Ruderals are described as high disturbance, low stress. They are characterized by fast growth, fast maturation, small stature with a limited lateral spread, high seed production (relative to size,) high flowering frequency, are often annuals.
It is possible for plant species to display more than one typology (a competitor ruderal, for example, giving them characteristics from both.)
A good example of this is the common bean, classified as a ruderal given its rapid growth habit, early reproductive phase, edible, and highly pest-susceptible tissues.
In contrast, soybean is also a grain legume yet has many traits that are more often associated with the stress-tolerator group. This includes a range of plant growth types, and defense traits such as pubescence that discourages insect herbivory, and biochemical compounds that require processing for humans to obtain nutritional value from soybean grain.
Maize has competitor traits, including highly effective nutrition acquisition mechanisms such as N mineralization-inducing root exudates, high N uptake activity, and a large nutrient demand (sink capacity).
But just some food for thought to chew on:
What are Ruderal Species?
Ruderal species are plant species described as those that are first to adapt to/colonize lands disturbed by either natural forces (like fires, flooding, etc) or human forces (construction, roads, mining, agricultural, etc.) Often times during or after these events, the preexisting competitive plant community has been decimated/disrupted (typically killed off,) greatly decreasing the competitive biological demand for resources and leaving a non-competitive area for plant growth with freely available resources. Plants that quickly take advantage of this temporary circumstance are referred to as being “ruderal.” Ruderal species of plants typically dominant these disturbed areas until native plant life beings to take back over.
The word “ruderal” comes from the Latin rūdera, which is the plural form of rūdus, meaning “rubble” or “to grow in waste or refuse.”
Ruderal species of plants tend to share some broad characterized features like fast growing, a rapid completing life cycle, and increased fertility (producing a large amount of seeds.) They are often annuals (plants that complete their life cycle from germination to product ion of seeds within one year and then dies.)
Ruderal plant traits include minimal investment in stress toleration traits, such as tissue defense compounds against herbivores. The consequence is that insects and mammals prefer to consume plant tissues from ruderals that have few of the recalcitrant plant chemical compounds (e.g., phenols and lignins) that make tissues unpalatable and indigestible. There are trade-offs for farmers between growing crops that are highly insect resistant—that grow slowly and produce defensive compounds—and growing crops that rapidly produce desirable food products, which are susceptible to herbivore damage.
The leaf area index (the one sided green leaf area per unit ground area in broadleaf canopies (ie, canopy spread) of ruderal crop plants is generally high, consistent with what could be called a competitive-ruderal, and is important to the ability of crop plants to compete with weeds.
Ruderal plant species are even used by humans as a response to both natural and man-made forces; ruderal plant species are aerially dropped after wildfires to help stop and prevent erosion, are used by industries that strip land (like mining) to help provide soil stability provide a foundation for other plant growth, etc.
Some examples of ruderal species of plants are jimsonweed, henbane, nettle, burdock, cocklebur, and of course, cannabis ruderalis.
There is a typology called Grime’s C-S-R Triangle, a theory by British scientist John Philip Grime used for describing functional plant type life strategies, where plant species are grouped into Competitors, Stress tolerators, and Ruderals (CSR’s.) These types of species survive based on adaptations to the stress and disturbances in the ecosystems they live in.
J. P. Grime identified the two factor gradients, broadly categorized as disturbance and stress, which limit plant biomass.
Stresses include factors such as the availability of water, nutrients, and light, along with growth-inhibiting influences like temperature and toxins.
Disturbance encompasses herbivory, pathogens, anthropogenic interactions, fire, wind, etc.
The three life strategies commonly used to categorize plants based on their environment emerging from high and low combinations of stress and disturbance are:
Competitors are typically low disturbance, low stress species. They are characterized by fast growing vegetation with high plant plasticity (plasticity refers to a plants ability to cope and adapt to its environment.)
Stress-tolerators are described as low disturbance, high stress species (an example would be perennials adapted to arid climates.)
Ruderals are described as high disturbance, low stress. They are characterized by fast growth, fast maturation, small stature with a limited lateral spread, high seed production (relative to size,) high flowering frequency, are often annuals.
It is possible for plant species to display more than one typology (a competitor ruderal, for example, giving them characteristics from both.)
A good example of this is the common bean, classified as a ruderal given its rapid growth habit, early reproductive phase, edible, and highly pest-susceptible tissues.
In contrast, soybean is also a grain legume yet has many traits that are more often associated with the stress-tolerator group. This includes a range of plant growth types, and defense traits such as pubescence that discourages insect herbivory, and biochemical compounds that require processing for humans to obtain nutritional value from soybean grain.
Maize has competitor traits, including highly effective nutrition acquisition mechanisms such as N mineralization-inducing root exudates, high N uptake activity, and a large nutrient demand (sink capacity).
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Wow,
Hobbes after that amount of research and analisys on plant life I have new found appreciation for your passion on cannabis.
This is more than just growing pot, hmm?
I live in the northern part of Quebec along the Laurentian Shield.
Because of the geography, we tend to get a lot of thunder storms during late July and August.
With that comes a lot of lightening.
This causes forest fires which have been taking place for millions of years no doubt.
The fires can take out millions of hectares before we get it under control.
(unfortunite to our friends in Australia right now, and this is something I can definitly relate to).
Once the fires subside, the first plants to grow are blueberries.
As locals, we have come to understand this cycle as not so much being to the benefit of the blueberries but rather regrowth of conifers.
The blueberries grow as a very rough looking shrub.
Ugly as hell, very dense foliage offering shade to the conifer seedlings.
The burning process brings about an abundance of nutrients at the surface level.
The ash produces a very acidic soil (sound familiar??)
One of the benefits of this is the plants berries..
It attracts bears, which naturaly fertilize the soil,..and spread the seeds for kilometers on end.
Now offering the landscape better shade cover for the conifers regrowth.
And the cycle begins anew every 100+- years.
Great write, thanks Hobbes!
Hobbes after that amount of research and analisys on plant life I have new found appreciation for your passion on cannabis.
This is more than just growing pot, hmm?
I live in the northern part of Quebec along the Laurentian Shield.
Because of the geography, we tend to get a lot of thunder storms during late July and August.
With that comes a lot of lightening.
This causes forest fires which have been taking place for millions of years no doubt.
The fires can take out millions of hectares before we get it under control.
(unfortunite to our friends in Australia right now, and this is something I can definitly relate to).
Once the fires subside, the first plants to grow are blueberries.
As locals, we have come to understand this cycle as not so much being to the benefit of the blueberries but rather regrowth of conifers.
The blueberries grow as a very rough looking shrub.
Ugly as hell, very dense foliage offering shade to the conifer seedlings.
The burning process brings about an abundance of nutrients at the surface level.
The ash produces a very acidic soil (sound familiar??)
One of the benefits of this is the plants berries..
It attracts bears, which naturaly fertilize the soil,..and spread the seeds for kilometers on end.
Now offering the landscape better shade cover for the conifers regrowth.
And the cycle begins anew every 100+- years.
Great write, thanks Hobbes!
Bro. Ive got an answer from weedeeedexp
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