Real Science vs Bro Science: Ohhh some of you are NOT going to like this!

[paddler54]

I would have to respectfully disagree; every grow I've worked for has used synthetic nutrients and flushing has nothing to do with whether tests are passing or failing (I've been told by several facilities you have to work pretty hard to fail for heavy metals; but the first grow I worked at sure as shit failed for cadmium of all things, but he also chose to not run certain membranes on his RO system and the source water was incredibly sketchy with heavy metals (I know a shit ton about our local water supply out here.) First thing he did was call up Jack's Nutrients and told them their 3-part formula caused his grow to fail for cadmium, they said "bullshit, lots of grows use our nutrients in Colorado and never fail."

Not a single commercial grow could explain why they flush, other than "a consultant told us" or the best (and most plausible one) I've heard was "it saves us 2 weeks worth of not spending money on nutrients," and that's probably one of the best reasons right there.

Commercial growers are just home growers that are growing in scale. There isn't anything specifically magical about it, a lot of the same products we use at home are used in commercial growing. And a lot of the bro science from home growing is just STEEPED in the commercial side, because these are the same guys like you and me that have been piecing together scraps of info for decades trying to figure out what's what.



That's the internet brother. You will NEVER not have that way of thinking; but it's in places like this that we try to promote the civil discussion of said topics so we can try to get to a "generally agreed on" consensus. That's the beauty of a peer-based community, we get the collective knowledge of thousands of people. And when we can use science to back up that knowledge and everyone goes "ah yeah, this DOES make sense," that's how we start making changes in the way people think about things.

Like autoflowering cannabis.

 

[paddler54]

Nah man it’s hard to run me the wrong way. I have been doin this long enough to understand folks have different views and theories and that is totally OK. one of the mai. Reasons I love this place. Even if we have slightly different views on growing styles, we are all in the same boat because we grow autos and are still treated like the ugly step kids of the cannabis industry. It’s starting to change slowly but that is one of the main things I set out to change with my LAG series product and growing style. That autos are better than photos for commercial production.

I like both autos and photos and grow them both at the same time so I can have fresh meds on a monthly basis.

 

[WildBill]

Aloha Bill you still live on O'ahu? I live on Lana'i I haven't gotten off island since March. I use advance nudes cause I am lazy as fudge and its ph balanced. Many of my plants have out grown my tent. I grow using a hydroponic system I built. I find it is the drying and curing process that affects the flavor of my buds more than the nutes do. My biggest issue is bud rot due to the high humidity and no air conditioning. So I prefer fiming and lst to get my plants to produce smaller but more plentiful buds and I pick prune a lot of the interior leaves so air can circulate through.

Aloha paddler!

Sadly no! I wish I still could plant in that glorious volcanic soil! I've seen some great ladies grown by a friend in Makaha. I sure do miss so many things there!

edit: I don't miss the cannabis. My security clearance made it prohibitive to partake.
What I called "Operation Golden Flow" prevented it. I got tested like crazy.

 

[WildBill]

Like autoflowering cannabis.

What's not to like?

 

[derek420colorado]

What's not to like?

I’ve been to Kauai a bunnnch. I’ve hiked kalalau a couple times. It’s definitely my favorite island. It’s as stoner and hippie friendly as you can get lol

 

[WildBill]

I’ve been to Kauai a bunnnch. I’ve hiked kalalau a couple times. It’s definitely my favorite island. It’s as stoner and hippie friendly as you can get lol

I LOVE Kauai! Mini-Grand Canyon, One of the tallest waterfalls in the world waterfall from Fantasy Island and the striking secluded beaches with sharp spire mountain almost at the beach edge. Breathtaking!
LOVED the helo tour........wife didn't at all! LMMFAO! She hated how the helo could lose altitude quickly around the mountains.

 

[MasonJarOG]

Everyone has an opinion and mine is not to listen to 4hrs of .... here’s my light watered the hell down flower tea.... I guess this dieing flower pot is proof enough for me and two drinks of the tea....

And aren’t a lot of bottled nutrients based off a base tea?

 

[Fitzy]

Everyone has an opinion and mine is not to listen to 4hrs of .... here’s my light watered the hell down flower tea.... I guess this dieing flower pot is proof enough for me and two drinks of the tea....View attachment 1224410
And aren’t a lot of bottled nutrients based off a base tea?

They are saying in that that a much smaller amount of compost is 100x more benifical so that's the take away aswell as not all teas are created equal coot said sprouted seed mung tea is real so it's not all teas but again the price compare to compost that's done correctly is by far superior in every way and everyone wants to save money and you can actually check the claims of these places with a cheap scope also so of the teas I've seen some say to strain the material which is kinda silly if anything you would topdress with it not remove it so and they touched on more than teas, but if wat you use works for you in the end is wat matters @ the end of the day but they touched on Korean natural farming and foop and again with the correct soil you don't need anything but water they explain how to make your own soil from scratch and many other things honestly worth a listen aswell as a few others on that channel.

 

[MasonJarOG]

They are saying in that that a much smaller amount of compost is 100x more benifical so that's the take away aswell as not all teas are created equal coot said sprouted seed mung tea is real so it's not all teas but again the price compare to compost that's done correctly is by far superior in every way and everyone wants to save money and you can actually check the claims of these places with a cheap scope also so of the teas I've seen some say to strain the material which is kinda silly if anything you would topdress with it not remove it so and they touched on more than teas, but if wat you use works for you in the end is wat matters @ the end of the day but they touched on Korean natural farming and foop and again with the correct soil you don't need anything but water they explain how to make your own soil from scratch and many other things honestly worth a listen aswell as a few others on that channel.

I get it on the correctly made compost mix. Typically it takes me 6 months to make a good potted soil mix. This is after a few years of trying.
Here’s a good example of the good water only mix that I did add a little tea too to take it over the top.

 

[Fitzy]

I get it on the correctly made compost mix. Typically it takes me 6 months to make a good potted soil mix. This is after a few years of trying.
Here’s a good example of the good water only mix that I did add a little tea too to take it over the top.View attachment 1224673View attachment 1224674

I use a tea myself but really I'm leeching my amendments into soil then sprinkle the sediment evenly over the plants in theory I top dress 2 times which is just water other than that. Another thing they were saying is that a good soil on a npk value and elementals u only need 200ppm 100ppm 100ppm ratio so most people are actually just balancing something wrong in ur medium