Dutch Passion Project Night Queen phenohunt timelapse - Coco in Alien Easy Feed System

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They look interesting. Better than airpots? I doubt there's much difference. And where did you get the idea the airdome was added because of a design flaw? I've run with and without the domes and I like mine better without! I like the larger tubing in your system yet I bet it uses more water due to increased evaporation losses. In fact, those fabric pots are the reason I wouldn't buy this. That's only my personal feeling though, I suspect tis system works quite nicely! They are also more expensive than autopots.

Looking forward to following this grow!

Here's one poor plant in an auto pot with no air and a piece of an old fabric sack in the bottom of the pot, no root control disc.

Hey Corgy! What's up bro!
I'm definitely not trying to get you divorced - in fact, the comparative cost of this system to others is ridiculously low. I say it eats autopost for breakfast because it solves lots of typical issues autopots have in one go. No airdomes needed at all with this. If anything it could do serious harm to the root base, drying it out and damaging it.

Autopots weren't designed for cannabis (I'm not certain about this claim, but I'd bet my house on it - if they were it's a mega-fail). You must remember airdomes were invented to overcome a design flaw with autopots where plants become waterlogged. Airdomes turn autopots into a silly little bubbler system, makes no sense at all. The gold discs and mats and what not were created to overcome the biggest design flaw of all, roots will clog up the valve shut-off mechanism and flood your house. Everything about autopots is not very canna compatible I'd say. They do work, but you definitely need the anti-root gold disc (Which are know not to work anyway) and airdomes. Air pumps make noise, I'm tired of noise. One of the main reasons I backed out of RDWC.

This system is ridiculously simpler than autopots. Impossible for roots to block the valve, no need for extra anything. You can set each pot to take different quantities of water for each plant that drink more or less. No over-watering one pot while under-watering the next! Battery operated programable water timer lets you dial in feeding schedule with precision. You can perfectly dial in wet/dry cycles! Brilliantly simple and astonishingly effective!

I was worried bottom feeding would hinder performance, but in fact I saw the opposite. Getting fabulous results - granted I've only got one grow under my belt with this system using mapito (which I now know is not fantastic as a wicking medium at all) and another night queen in coco about 3 weeks 'til harvest. Coco is the shniztezbangermoog for this system!!

I still cannot help myself and I do still top feed manually every once in a while. But I am noticing that the less I top feed, the more they seem to positively react to bottom feeding. Why contradict nature? Bottom feeding they seem to drink more than top feeding.

I just still love tending to them, and I use top feed to shower bacteria over the rhizosphere (def. not through the 250L rez). But I have "modded"/adapted the water line to automate top feeding too. I havent tested this yet.

The fabric pots are awesome. Super easy to clean and air prune just like Air-Pots or Rhizo-Pots. After years of experimentation (as this forum is testament to my quasi-obsesive and constant experimentation with every conceivable system out there) I really think I've found my ideal system. This is by far the least hands-on system I've ever tried. No electricity, no noise, no drama, no pumps, no nothing. I literally just fill up the 250L water tank every 2 weeks and do nothing expect pick up dead leafs here and there

I'll make a post showing it off better soon enough!

Here's a youtube video of theirs

Hey Corgy! What's up bro!
I'm definitely not trying to get you divorced - in fact, the comparative cost of this system to others is ridiculously low. I say it eats autopost for breakfast because it solves lots of typical issues autopots have in one go. No airdomes needed at all with this. If anything it could do serious harm to the root base, drying it out and damaging it.

Autopots weren't designed for cannabis (I'm not certain about this claim, but I'd bet my house on it - if they were it's a mega-fail). You must remember airdomes were invented to overcome a design flaw with autopots where plants become waterlogged. Airdomes turn autopots into a silly little bubbler system, makes no sense at all. The gold discs and mats and what not were created to overcome the biggest design flaw of all, roots will clog up the valve shut-off mechanism and flood your house. Everything about autopots is not very canna compatible I'd say. They do work, but you definitely need the anti-root gold disc (Which are know not to work anyway) and airdomes. Air pumps make noise, I'm tired of noise. One of the main reasons I backed out of RDWC.

This system is ridiculously simpler than autopots. Impossible for roots to block the valve, no need for extra anything. You can set each pot to take different quantities of water for each plant that drink more or less. No over-watering one pot while under-watering the next! Battery operated programable water timer lets you dial in feeding schedule with precision. You can perfectly dial in wet/dry cycles! Brilliantly simple and astonishingly effective!

I was worried bottom feeding would hinder performance, but in fact I saw the opposite. Getting fabulous results - granted I've only got one grow under my belt with this system using mapito (which I now know is not fantastic as a wicking medium at all) and another night queen in coco about 3 weeks 'til harvest. Coco is the shniztezbangermoog for this system!!

I still cannot help myself and I do still top feed manually every once in a while. But I am noticing that the less I top feed, the more they seem to positively react to bottom feeding. Why contradict nature? Bottom feeding they seem to drink more than top feeding.

I just still love tending to them, and I use top feed to shower bacteria over the rhizosphere (def. not through the 250L rez). But I have "modded"/adapted the water line to automate top feeding too. I havent tested this yet.

The fabric pots are awesome. Super easy to clean and air prune just like Air-Pots or Rhizo-Pots. After years of experimentation (as this forum is testament to my quasi-obsesive and constant experimentation with every conceivable system out there) I really think I've found my ideal system. This is by far the least hands-on system I've ever tried. No electricity, no noise, no drama, no pumps, no nothing. I literally just fill up the 250L water tank every 2 weeks and do nothing expect pick up dead leafs here and there

I'll make a post showing it off better soon enough!

Here's a youtube video of theirs

 

[Groff]

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What is the size of your pots and the dimensions?

I looks to me like the tray is one-size-for-all, from the 10 to 30 L pots......Their website is not very forthcoming on those little details..... Does the 30 L pot have the same base dimensions as the 30 L pot which is then just higher?

Still can't believe I never came across this system before, never saw it mentioned anywhere..... Perhaps Alien should consider the wisdom of creating a separate website for this system only....

Hey! no apologies needed at all mate. That's what we're here for. For sharing info! The system is actually quite new. I saw it first at Spannabis this year. I believe they've got 2 base sizes, and a couple of fabric pots sizes. regarding the website, they actually do, though it's quite shitty IMHO … I ordered some extra fabric pots so I could run veg independent to the flowering room - http://www.easyfeed.co.uk

Oh, regarding the pipes, didn't measure, but for illustration purposes, this is the connector that feeds the valves …

Alright Goff, I read up on the autopots, and now I find these. I will see how this goes, as a reference.

Should be fun.

Hey Eekman! another reference AFN'er I haven't spoken to in a while cheers mate

They look interesting. Better than airpots? I doubt there's much difference. And where did you get the idea the airdome was added because of a design flaw? I've run with and without the domes and I like mine better without! I like the larger tubing in your system yet I bet it uses more water due to increased evaporation losses. In fact, those fabric pots are the reason I wouldn't buy this. That's only my personal feeling though, I suspect tis system works quite nicely! They are also more expensive than autopots.

Looking forward to following this grow!

Here's one poor plant in an auto pot with no air and a piece of an old fabric sack in the bottom of the pot, no root control disc.

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Hey pops,

I am by no means downtalking autopots …well, truth be told I kind of was... but not intentionally. One has a tendency to hype their own gear I guess… I never ever ever ever used autopots myself. All I wrote was from what I picked up from the forums through the years research looking into the perfect system for me. I tried everything out there! airpots, rdwc, coco , mapito, LEDs, supercropping, lolippoping, extreme defoliaton, Canna, Biobizz, Dutch Pro, coco, soil, mapito, airpots with sub-hydro bubbler… I even tried to invent true bubbleponics with polysorbate 20 when I accidentally flooded my apartment with foam due to tha saponic nature of P20 + airstone and a strong pump

Anyway, what I'm trying to get at is that everything works great as long and you shower love and caring onto the plants. But I'm a performance geek, and that's my reference point. And be able to max yield with the least amount of work (I live a very VERY busy life). Again, having said this, I've never used autopots myself so anything I say should be taken with a big grain of salt.

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Back to the theme of this show … Night Queens! The second batch of seedlings have been put into their definite home! Notice the line of 5 at the side away from the light. Those are the original 5 that are a week older, that I am under-lighting and haven't fed still, trying to slow them down a little. They're starting to become a noticeably lighter green and cotyledons are full yellowing. Will feed them tomorrow.

11 seedlings were potted into 7 pots. 2 pots have 2 seedlings in each. Should be fun - some may say I'm "pulling a @Hazy" (though not caning for fear of reserved rights prosecution )

Better pics soon.

 

[pop22]

Hey, I understand! I'm on the same mission! KISS is the only way to grow! As far as I'm concerned, these simple, mechanical systems are a great time and effort saver. And I believe that bottom watering in controlled measure keeps problems to a minimum.But I think I'm going to take a set of my pots and work on getting them to work well with organic soil. I've been using coco and semi-organic nutrients. I did run straight grow nutes for three grows without any issues. Now I've gone to transitioning to bloom nutes and I'm seeing issues, exactly why I despise hydro, for all its potential, its also very fussy and can ruin your plants in a matter of hours. I see people wasting hundreds of dollars on bottled nute only to run into ph issues, over feeding damage, etc. I don't need to anxiety or the time wasting hassle of measuring 15 different nutes and magic additives...... I much perfer "just add water"..lol!

I find this system interesting for sure!

Hey! no apologies needed at all mate. That's what we're here for. For sharing info! The system is actually quite new. I saw it first at Spannabis this year. I believe they've got 2 base sizes, and a couple of fabric pots sizes. regarding the website, they actually do, though it's quite shitty IMHO … I ordered some extra fabric pots so I could run veg independent to the flowering room - http://www.easyfeed.co.uk

Oh, regarding the pipes, didn't measure, but for illustration purposes, this is the connector that feeds the valves …

Hey Eekman! another reference AFN'er I haven't spoken to in a while cheers mate



Hey pops,

I am by no means downtalking autopots …well, truth be told I kind of was... but not intentionally. One has a tendency to hype their own gear I guess… I never ever ever ever used autopots myself. All I wrote was from what I picked up from the forums through the years research looking into the perfect system for me. I tried everything out there! airpots, rdwc, coco , mapito, LEDs, supercropping, lolippoping, extreme defoliaton, Canna, Biobizz, Dutch Pro, coco, soil, mapito, airpots with sub-hydro bubbler… I even tried to invent true bubbleponics with polysorbate 20 when I accidentally flooded my apartment with foam due to tha saponic nature of P20 + airstone and a strong pump

Anyway, what I'm trying to get at is that everything works great as long and you shower love and caring onto the plants. But I'm a performance geek, and that's my reference point. And be able to max yield with the least amount of work (I live a very VERY busy life). Again, having said this, I've never used autopots myself so anything I say should be taken with a big grain of salt.

——

Back to the theme of this show … Night Queens! The second batch of seedlings have been put into their definite home! Notice the line of 5 at the side away from the light. Those are the original 5 that are a week older, that I am under-lighting and haven't fed still, trying to slow them down a little. They're starting to become a noticeably lighter green and cotyledons are full yellowing. Will feed them tomorrow.

11 seedlings were potted into 7 pots. 2 pots have 2 seedlings in each. Should be fun - some may say I'm "pulling a @Hazy" (though not caning for fear of reserved rights prosecution )

Better pics soon.

 

[Eekman]

Good to talk to you as well Mr. Groff

 

[2Stoned2Care]

Welcome back @Groff great to see you back and growing again,i am subbed bro that system looks awesome.i am another autopoter so will watch with interest how that system works

 

[Groff]

Week 2 veg - freak videography

Big pots, slow initial rise. Don't seem like much of a start, because they've been investing in root dev. Right as rain, they stood "still" for almost two weeks, in the past 2 or 3 days really started showing signs of above ground growth. I remember panic'ing when I first started in coco, 'cos I though they were stunted or something Should be nothing short of explosive growth from now on! Except, of course, for the toopping/FIM'ing operation to be applied that will slow them down for about oooh ... 5 minutes… given my past experience with Night Queens …

Always a great sign in my book. Means the tap roots had no trouble going all the way down to the bottom of the pot, diverting sideways, getting a grasp of "how big a shoes do I have to fill" … That is why it's super importante to fill the pots with coco by hand and crush all the lumps free. Nice fluffy coco is what we want...These girls will become monsters I have no doubt!

Same goes for autos! You will slow them down a little (in terms of clocked harvest time), but get rewarded with size and yield. With soil, tap root growth resistance triggers the plant to shoot upwards while the roots take their time to get around obstacles to colonate the substrate. This is not bad at all! Just different. No point in growing big plants if the yield isn't there. That is exactly why with DWC/RDWC they instantly start shooting up, the roots get disturbed as hell… Anyway, Groff theories...

Not a timelapse, just trying out some more stuff, I'll leave you with some freak videography (testing testing, one two, one two, testing…)

Please be sure to light one up before viewing this, otherwise it won't make much sense!

 

[Eekman]

Thanks for the update Groff,

 

[PolySizeCircuit]

Interesting system, can't wait to see how the grow goes!

 

[Groff]

Little sneak preview of better things to come.

Mental note.
Learn how to focus, better white balancing, focusing, better framing, focusing, more consistant color correction, focusing, inter-clip framing consistency... and look up "focusing" in the dictionary!

 

[Groff]

Update!

The pheno hunt has commenced!

Today is day 2 of Week 3 of Flowering. But lets rewind a little to catch up…
This little thing clearly stood out from the rest of the pack.

Started topping the biggest 4, right above the 4th or 5th node. Looking to try mainlining technique in the future, but this time round leaving some lower nodes to later harvest some clones and re-veg to preserve the best genetics and shift second gears next time round.

Pulling them down to create a clear split for two main apical dominant stems

the 3 fastest grower were topped again. Was starting to get a little worried as the slowest ones were actually quite slower, and the 2 pots with two seedlings in each were also significantly slower. I even thought they stunted due to competition issues.
Time to prep the flower room. We’re almost at the 4 weeks veg mark.

Re-did the flooring for added insulation, as well as mylar all round for added light distribution. Lights set up.
1 GN Ms0006 – 180w actual power
1 Dutch Passion Crazy LED – 180 actual power
1 600w MH HID – extra blues and some UV, have a sodium but prefer this for now to induce a little extra stretch and fill out the net. Next time round hopefully this will not be necessary. UV will be great though for that extra resin production.
1 Alien COB – 400w actual power draw

Girls were brought in and set into their final home

Indeed they don’t look fantastic. Real life issues stole precious gardening love. But being photo’s there is some leverage. Unseen is a 750L rez that I half filled and meticulously dialled in the new feed. Bottom feed only from now on. Still using left over Dutch Pro Autoflower nutes, and it seems to work wonders for photo’s.

Low EC, week 1 was around 1.6 -1.8 EC – remember these are Dutch Pro nutes which are notoriously crazy soft. If I were to use Canna nutes I’d be around 1.0 – 1.2… pH around 5.8 - 6.0. Not overly precise in coco, a little swing does great things actually.

Temps been ranging 15ºC min to 26 max, RH% 48 - 75% night… a bit to much there, but also experimenting with decreasing exhaust to preserve some heat. Dehumidifier was off as well, back on now.

Also prepped some foliar feed. A few drops of Superthive for some B-1, Canna Boost, Rhizotonic, Liquid Silicon, a little surfactant in the form of AN Wet Betty. Very very little. I eye’ed it, but an ever so gentle foliar ooompf. It’s way too easy to overdo foliar. Next on my shopping list, RAW Kelp, Fulvic and Yukka for some serious direct leaf feeding.

Anyway, 36 hours of blackout before switch, and flipped to a light regime of 11 on 13 off. Foliar twice a week, give or take, and these next pics are end of Week 2 flower. Center row contains the best candidates for cloning

These two are my my favorite. Massive side branching, extreme resilience, topped twice and still way ahead of all non-topped plants. Massive amounts of bud sites.

Sucking up a tray-full every 72h

Inter-nodal stretch is a bit excessive, but I don't mind at all since this is a discovery run. I'm just hoping to be able to secure the best phenos so I can truly dial in perfect conditions in the future.