8 hours and the PPM are 271, down f/ 317 so at least there's uptake. (This also happened the 1st time I added the HG and cal-mag w/ a drop of 100 PPM in 3 hours.) Roots look good and tops are perking up. Water temp is 72.5 so added the ice bottle. Stones and pump came in so I'm ready to make tea tomorrow night, or wait til Monday and just use the "pre-tead" Recharge. I'm supposed to change the water again tomorrow as a precaution--daily for 3 days some say to make sure the slime is gone--but these changes will get me to the bennies. These go on/thru the potting medium and not in the res, and ideally you wanna cut the nutes 2 days before and after so there's less competition b/t the synthetics and organics...just enuf so the bennies can get established thru the rhizosphere. The pot media is a good holding place for these. Sum folk even sprinkle the Recharge around the stalk and then just water it down through. I'll let the nutes drop more and level off at 250 if needed in prep for the bennies. Hopefully these will also help summa the new root growth we need from loss to the H2O2.
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Nutes holding at 266, temp at 70.5 and PH spot on. Roots still look good w/ no sign of re-infection. Another water change tomorrow morning. Stones and pump came so now they'll have 2 pumps/4 stones. Have a 3d pump here to brew the teas and gettin an additional stone tomorrow for that. Comfortable w/ what I'm gonna do, but turns out that even tho you don't have to brew the Recharge, for our application you do have to boil for 24 hours so that's another day in limbo. Not much difference b/t the Heisenberg and the Recharge except the number of different microbes available in Heisenberg's (3,000). That's really the way I wanna go. So figuring on 2 more days in the small res recovering from the scrub and staying slime free. Hold on girls, daddy's coming. Another ice bottle chill before bed--takes 3 of these a day to stay around 70. Nice thing too about the teas--the Heisenberg at least--the temps will be higher and that's ok. I'll be glad to be done w/ chillin. All I want now is to get back on track as growth has been slowed to a crawl.
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The girls have had it. Stuff is everywhere. BTW any1 notice how many species of Pythium exist? Running sterile isn't an option. I'd rather go soil.
This isn't much--only 5 pages--but itsa start. Bottom line was the best approach is competing microbes (UMass study). I'll be using references as a starting point for research.
https://ag.umass.edu/sites/agcenter/files/pdf-doc-ppt/2007DiseaseMgt.pdf
Telling also is the fact that a hydro site concedes the following:
"There is no doubt that pythium is much more devastating in hydroponic systems when compared to a soil applications...Regardless of media used, the pathogen will eventually find its way to the root system and begin to wreak destruction. But soil gardeners get a distinct advantage in the fight against pythium. The root zone of the plant (along with any mycorrhizal networks present) creates a web-like barrier that can slow down the spread of the pythium. The symbiotic relationship between the mycorrhizal fungi and the roots of your plant not only helps to create a greater uptake of nutrients and minerals, but also provides additional benefits such as increased resistance to diseases and drought. Mycorrhizae products are excellent to add to your root zone and to amplify this."
Myco gets referenced by every1 and is one of the ingredients in both Recharge and Heisenberg's tea, but the Q now for us is whether to try again w/ DWC using these teas, or just give up and use them in a more amenable medium like soil.
This isn't much--only 5 pages--but itsa start. Bottom line was the best approach is competing microbes (UMass study). I'll be using references as a starting point for research.
https://ag.umass.edu/sites/agcenter/files/pdf-doc-ppt/2007DiseaseMgt.pdf
Telling also is the fact that a hydro site concedes the following:
"There is no doubt that pythium is much more devastating in hydroponic systems when compared to a soil applications...Regardless of media used, the pathogen will eventually find its way to the root system and begin to wreak destruction. But soil gardeners get a distinct advantage in the fight against pythium. The root zone of the plant (along with any mycorrhizal networks present) creates a web-like barrier that can slow down the spread of the pythium. The symbiotic relationship between the mycorrhizal fungi and the roots of your plant not only helps to create a greater uptake of nutrients and minerals, but also provides additional benefits such as increased resistance to diseases and drought. Mycorrhizae products are excellent to add to your root zone and to amplify this."
Myco gets referenced by every1 and is one of the ingredients in both Recharge and Heisenberg's tea, but the Q now for us is whether to try again w/ DWC using these teas, or just give up and use them in a more amenable medium like soil.
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pppYeah, well it seems the biggest knock against them for DWC is the need to add every 3 days. Still weighing our options maybe w/ coco thrown in w/ soil as our 2 other options. Don't think I'm givin up yet tho on DWC, specially w/ our tight space and need to maximize growths, including time. Already know I didn't have enuf O2, these bennies remove the need for a chiller, and I got to learn all this our 1st time out. AND hydro is not the future, it's the present. Just wish I could find more info on how these big farms are preventing it. Maybe it doesn't matter inasmuch as there are other benefits to the bennies, tho how much of these translate to, or can be harnessed for, a DWC setup is a question. Think we're gonna find out. Got everything sterilized and sittin in the sun. Seeds in the lettuce crisper.
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I’ve been meaning to write a bit about my sloppy DWC for you and others but have been very busy lately. I have plans today but will try and get some info and pictures of my current grows which are in all three stages so you can see my temps ppm and muddy reservoirs. I can tell you this for sure
Less is More
I run the first 3-5 weeks with nothing in the water but about 1-2 tsp of Megacrop V1 in 6 gallons of water. I then slowly start increasing and adding other goodies as the plants and environment dictate. My EC meter is useless as my system is so dirty I wouldn’t have a clue.
I’ll tag you in the post in my wasting tiMe thread when I get my ass in gear and get some proper pics and stats of my dirty water culture.
Less is More
I run the first 3-5 weeks with nothing in the water but about 1-2 tsp of Megacrop V1 in 6 gallons of water. I then slowly start increasing and adding other goodies as the plants and environment dictate. My EC meter is useless as my system is so dirty I wouldn’t have a clue.
I’ll tag you in the post in my wasting tiMe thread when I get my ass in gear and get some proper pics and stats of my dirty water culture.
Well this sounds promising. Thanks Frenjamin. Yes, please tag me. Dunno my way around here yet. Sloppy DWC and Muddy Waters--music to my ears. In fact, one guy sayin how he used Recharge top fed only in his DWC didn't comport w/ Heisenberg's res feeding of the goodies. Our Myco, Recharge, and Boogie Brew arrived today. Already have the Hydroguard so just waitin on the Ancient Forests. Might make some early just for our son to use in his garden. Not sure wh/ I'll use for the next grow so will wait on word f/ you. Devil's gonna be in the details re: when to apply in relation to nutes, when to cut nutes for it, etc. Thanks.
Have the Northern Lights soaking. Thinkin of how I'll use several Rapid Rooters in the basket, (surrounded by just a outside barrier of hydroton if even necessary), so as to better capture/hold the tea. Altho the drip ring helped really fast root development last time, I don't want that water pump in my main res. May set it up tho in the small res until the roots can reach in the main.
Only just realized my mistake that led to the slime. My drip rings were clear plastic, and had in them some gunk wh/ I mistook for root matter but that was too early to have occurred. I was growing slime in my drip rings directly under the lights.
Okay, have all black tubing. I'll be experimenting w/ microbial tea somewhere along the line, even if this doesn't happen again. But if it does I'll follow the inoculation regimen to get rid of it and then keep this grow on a weekly diet of tea. If not, I'll still be introducing it but at low doses of a cup per 10 gallons once a week. Seeds are in the Rooters in tupperware on the wifi box. Pre-soaked them 12 hours thinkin that was part of the method, so moved past the soaked Rooters step to the moist step. Gonna set up the drip system in the small res for their first coupla 3 weeks under blue lights, then move to the main res/full lights and feeding. Gotta see when to start the Hydroguard. (That's part of the later tea so all good.) That'd be every watering, from seedling to harvest.
Okay, have all black tubing. I'll be experimenting w/ microbial tea somewhere along the line, even if this doesn't happen again. But if it does I'll follow the inoculation regimen to get rid of it and then keep this grow on a weekly diet of tea. If not, I'll still be introducing it but at low doses of a cup per 10 gallons once a week. Seeds are in the Rooters in tupperware on the wifi box. Pre-soaked them 12 hours thinkin that was part of the method, so moved past the soaked Rooters step to the moist step. Gonna set up the drip system in the small res for their first coupla 3 weeks under blue lights, then move to the main res/full lights and feeding. Gotta see when to start the Hydroguard. (That's part of the later tea so all good.) That'd be every watering, from seedling to harvest.
Water aeration formula required for DWC for us (not necessary for lettuce for example) is at least 1 watt/gallon, and I was only supplying 3 watts for 10 gallons. (I had a lotta contributing factors to slime growth. I also didn't begin the Hydroguard treatment immediately, so there was an early 2 week window when the roots were not inoculated.) Also, smaller bubbles have more surface area per volume than large bubbles, so I'll be switching to smaller stones, and b/c I'll have 8 of these just by virtue of having had to up my volume to 10 watts, these should be sufficient to cover the entire area. Also learned that res changes are needed if for nuthin else than to use fresh water w/ fresh gas carrying capacity, as over time the dissolved O2 levels will drop in water despite what's pumped in. However, it's also the material used which determines the ability to provide the smallest bubbles--avoid the blue stones b/c they're manufactured at lower temps and aren't as finely porous.
http://www.just4growers.com/stream/...truth-on-dissolved-oxygen-in-hydroponics.aspx
http://www.just4growers.com/stream/...truth-on-dissolved-oxygen-in-hydroponics.aspx
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