Indoor Need advice on old MH/HPS/LPS.

[big_buddha]

I personally would not want to use a ballast that has been sat around unused for 20 years. My old one from 9 years ago was horrible to use, I really felt in danger everytime i turned the thing on. Modern magnetic ballasts with soft start etc are pretty cheap now or if you can afford it grab a lumitek digital. They run cool to the touch. I was amazed first time I came across one. I dont think I would feel comfortable leaving a 20 year old model unattended in my home :/

 

[Alex Delarge]

No (I think) the color (probably does not shift with time).

That is actually pretty interesting!!! LPS emits 600nm (red) light better than anything else ever made!!!

Dude, I totally changed my mind: don't sell it: use the LPS to test to see if it enhances flowering in MJ plants.

First of all: you really have a 180 watt LPS??? No bullshit??? That is a monster. (I gotta wonder who you knew that back in the 1990's was running MH and LPS!!! Surf the 2012 all you want - you ain't never going to find anybody who has what you have)/

In all of the pot internet surfing I have ever done, I have never before heard of anybody who had in his possession an LPS rig . Not only do you seem to have one, you (claim to) have one of the biggest most fat ass 180 watt bulbs ever made (that's ALOT of POWER dude).

You might be one of those guys who stumbled upon something really fucking cool.

"Blue" light is high energy light and makes MJ plants grow leaves and "fuel" (carbohydrates) for THC (and other plant tissue) manufacture; red light (like your LPS) stimulates MJ to make a hormone that makes MJ flower (and other shit like stems and roots)

According to Wikipedia (and they include a wavelength graph of lps illumination) LPS EMITS 200 LUMENS PER WATT!!!! If that's tru, then that is absofuckinglutely incredible (3x the best LED; 2x the best t5; 30% better than the best HPS). BUT the problem with LPS is that ...

.. ALL (all 200 lumens per watt) of LPSs light is the 600nm (red) wave length. NOTE: the optimum wavelength for growing MJ is four-twenty nanometers -420 nm - by the grace of the God who obviously hath smiled stonily upon His 420 Children when He built the Universe.

if I were you, I would go get some heavy bright ass blue lights - at least 600 watt MH or 300 watts arctinic t5's - and grow the shit out of some feminized MJ seeds, then after six weeks, cut it down to 12/12, and LEAVE THE MH lights burning (no need for HPS when you got 200 lumens per watt red LPS) but hit the plants with that intense 180 watt, 36000 lumens LPS.

If you want to grow autos (and I would totally do this), I would turn on the LPS - as a supplemental light source - after one month. You should probably tend to the garden by, every few days, turning each plant (kind of like roasting a chicken by turning the bird to cook it evenly) to acheive a consistent exposure to the LPS (red) light.

It seems to me that the intense blue would load the MJ plants up with carbohydrate fuel while all that red light would load them up with flowering hormones ... no?? You would have the best of both worlds.

If you google "LPS marijuana" you will get hits on a bunch of pot internet posts and websites where all these growers WHO HAVEHYPOTHETICAL OPINiONS ABOUT BLAH BLAH BLAH BULLSHIT and have never tried to actually grow weed with an LPS.

But what I know for sure is this: back in the 1980's, before HPS lights were easily available (apparently everybody was using MH), somebody in Northern California was growing TWO HIT KILLER WEED with GLORIOUS FROSTY NUGS like I have not seen since (altho I've seen - and grown - pretty close). Maybe LPS is how they were doing it???

I do not remember why, but I had MH's and the LPS. LPS was for flower, but was not very powerful.

 

[Alex Delarge]

i do have a guy that builds 6 in pipes on Ebay i have him book marked ....not the Richard guy eh ......i love that and thats basiclly what i want but shit i need to do indoors so ahhh .....I seen these smaller square one BY Sun syatems i believe can drop 4 in there ....its at HTG (High Tech Garden ) i shop there since im closest to that then anything ........so if u do this aero show for sure im on deck to watch bro ......and to increase yeaids on smaller plants

LST method ...u ever heard of this ....google if ya didnt .....autos are recommended the hate distractions in growth but i did this to a 5 gal lady ...well im running shity lights but i have 8 lights so im getting some lumens have leds mixed with florescent ....bnothing fancy ....If i had say a 600w Hps this lady in ROots dirt with my findings of teas and how to better ur grow could yeild high .....im looking at atleast 68 budsites at 54 days now they arent very big yet but im just going into flowering A few big pistols opened toady and man some beautiful blue is coming thru .....When i get more established into growing and the lights i truely need im giving her another run like this and making seeds im sorry but i have done them Justice on 4 purchaes now ......besides i want to make my own later on and im basing Berry RYder as the mother ......

LST, yes I have seen it. What is it Long String Technique? Tying short plants to the pot, many times for height restriction for MMJ.

 

[big_buddha]

Thats an interesting story about the LPS stuff.... if this is the case though why has nobody released an LED panel using 600nm red? Is this color available in LED form? edit - maybe it is available,i dont know. i should have said that most panels are using diff ratios of primarily 630/660 red.

 

[Alex Delarge]

i do have a guy that builds 6 in pipes on Ebay i have him book marked ....not the Richard guy eh ......i love that and thats basiclly what i want but shit i need to do indoors so ahhh .....I seen these smaller square one BY Sun syatems i believe can drop 4 in there ....its at HTG (High Tech Garden ) i shop there since im closest to that then anything ........so if u do this aero show for sure im on deck to watch bro ......and to increase yeaids on smaller plants

LST method ...u ever heard of this ....google if ya didnt .....autos are recommended the hate distractions in growth but i did this to a 5 gal lady ...well im running shity lights but i have 8 lights so im getting some lumens have leds mixed with florescent ....bnothing fancy ....If i had say a 600w Hps this lady in ROots dirt with my findings of teas and how to better ur grow could yeild high .....im looking at atleast 68 budsites at 54 days now they arent very big yet but im just going into flowering A few big pistols opened toady and man some beautiful blue is coming thru .....When i get more established into growing and the lights i truely need im giving her another run like this and making seeds im sorry but i have done them Justice on 4 purchaes now ......besides i want to make my own later on and im basing Berry RYder as the mother ......

Some use larger, but 2 inch netpots with inserts, started in an aeroponic cloner. Will post tomorrow, very late here, in feudal Japan.

 

[swampman]

LST LOW STRESS TRAINNING .......basiclly like spuercropping but without breaking the branches ...auot are very particular to damage and stunts growth for a day or 2 .......u just pull slightly bending the branches down so that the side laterals think they the top cola now and grow rapidly and u get better light penetration to the lower less fortunate buds ....and get some rest bro ..we all need good rest its 12noon here right now

 

[swampman]

i have seen and heard of LPS as well didnt know how technical but i have seen it about 10 years back as well .......

MOms hippie brother grew under that but I never knew the whole grow thing back then .....

It was hanging down through a plywood DIY box line with aluminum sheeting .......guess thats all he could get ......

I used the box later on but with HPS this was 8 years ago but i wouldnt ever have great success

BUt i remember talking about lights and what not before

 

[Bonzo Mendoza]

I do not remember why, but I had MH's and the LPS. LPS was for flower, but was not very powerful.

Please Sir, cast your mind back and see if you can remember:

Did you grow bagseed?

Indica?

Did you grow good weed?

I lived on the Mexican Border in the 1990's - there was brickweed everywhere. Columbian too.

 

[sativalover]

I do not remember why, but I had MH's and the LPS. LPS was for flower, but was not very powerful.

lps were very limited in spectrum
and finding lights that had penetration strength were harder w/ the lower amount of wattage bulbs available
i understand the real question is how the plants use the spectrum and not how we see it to our eye's perception
but this lack of spectrum plus things like bulb life and size are a few reasons they didn't fly
like a mercury vapor lamp puts out more lumens per watt than a mh or hps but the spectrum is not desirable and alot is in the spectrum of less usable energy to plants

 

[swampman]

lps were very limited in spectrum
and finding lights that had penetration strength were harder w/ the lower amount of wattage bulbs available
i understand the real question is how the plants use the spectrum and not how we see it to our eye's perception
but this lack of spectrum plus things like bulb life and size are a few reasons they didn't fly
like a mercury vapor lamp puts out more lumens per watt than a mh or hps but the spectrum is not desirable and alot is in the spectrum of less usable energy to plants

friggen awesome stuff there bro ........

and on the other answer yes I was close to the Texas side so i would find seeds only at times ...some med strains but never bought the actual seeds just threw beans in dirt and see what happens .....but man i have only grown maybe 30 plant in my life just had friends and family that are all smokers so u see a plant here and there .....just now studying the science of it all !!!!!