Live Stoners Live Stoner Chat - Apr-Jun '22

[N/A-Greengo]

 

[Dr Fluff]

 

[WildBill]

Writing off evil violent acts as a symptom of mental illness does nothing but further the stigma of mental illnesses, which I genuinely do not appreciate.

@WildBill, @Bill.de.Cat, @Dabber - I'm not mad but I am absolutely disappointed. I know you are all better than that, so please, try to do better.

Naaaaaa...........It's NOT as simple as you put it. In no way was I stigmatizing a thing. I'm sorry that you took it that way.

I didn't go into in depth of the situation and this guy's condition, but I've heard a LOT of red flags. He was actually arrested 4yrs ago for threats and supposedly said when he turned 18. he would do as he just did.

Nor is things as simple as I put it either. It was just a tiny bit of history that shows, simply, how we got to this point with this problem. Any denial that there is a mental health problem in this country is sticking your head in the sand.............not the proverbial you.
I suffer mental illness. I fight depression.............period. It's not an occasional fight.
There are people out there that are violent threats to themselves and others and they do need to be institutionalized.

I do know what that means. I've worked in one of those institutions, and I was raised with parents that worked at such institutions. There are that are voluntary committed and those that are court ordered. The court ordered is what I'm talking about. I do know what it means to institutionalize a person. It's not that far from being in the military.

If you listen to Pelosi, I'm one of those you need to worry about since I'm a Veteran. If she had her way, all of us would be lock up somewhere. Deamonizing Vets, yet denies there is a mental health problem , since it doesn't fit their current agenda.
Plain and simple. There are people that do need to be removed for society for their own good and for the good of society. Those poor children are only the latest examples.
I'm sorry you took it that way, but I see how you could take it that way.

 

[Green Hornet]

TY all that have served on this Holiday

 

[Green Hornet]

 

[JP1]

thanks for the rep @WildBill @Mossy

 

[WildBill]

My house am stanky. It's got a funk to it! It's very strong!

Maybe this can explain it!

That's the second shake stuff! I've got about half that much as first run full melt. In reality, there's really not that much difference between the two in quality. .......first shake is just whiter.
I still have two fat 1gal bags to do. That will have to be Sunday or later. I've got both trays sitting in the walk in closet drying out.
I'll start pressing into hash the first run stuff in the morning.
I have the worked material under a fan to dry out. Maybe tonight it will be dry enough to start decarb in the ArdentFX and then to infusion. I have it sitting on one of my aluminum trays I carry out and in with my smoke meats and smoke a LOT of meat at one time.. That sucker is FULL!!!!!!!!!! When I go get more dry ice, I'll need to get more coconut oil. One jar ain't gonna cut it. Should be some very potent stuff.

 

[N/A-Greengo]

Note to self :
When giving rep, be sure not to be engaged in a AK47 sesh to limit confusion between which user is which..

That is all...

 

[Suki]

Naaaaaa...........It's NOT as simple as you put it. In no way was I stigmatizing a thing. I'm sorry that you took it that way.

I didn't go into in depth of the situation and this guy's condition, but I've heard a LOT of red flags. He was actually arrested 4yrs ago for threats and supposedly said when he turned 18. he would do as he just did.

Nor is things as simple as I put it either. It was just a tiny bit of history that shows, simply, how we got to this point with this problem. Any denial that there is a mental health problem in this country is sticking your head in the sand.............not the proverbial you.
I suffer mental illness. I fight depression.............period. It's not an occasional fight.
There are people out there that are violent threats to themselves and others and they do need to be institutionalized.

I do know what that means. I've worked in one of those institutions, and I was raised with parents that worked at such institutions. There are that are voluntary committed and those that are court ordered. The court ordered is what I'm talking about. I do know what it means to institutionalize a person. It's not that far from being in the military.

If you listen to Pelosi, I'm one of those you need to worry about since I'm a Veteran. If she had her way, all of us would be lock up somewhere. Deamonizing Vets, yet denies there is a mental health problem , since it doesn't fit their current agenda.
Plain and simple. There are people that do need to be removed for society for their own good and for the good of society. Those poor children are only the latest examples.
I'm sorry you took it that way, but I see how you could take it that way.

My point wasn't that you specifically buy into that stigma, but that blaming such acts on mental health is indeed harmful to those of us (you and I, plenty of others in the LS crew, along with millions of others) who live with mental health issues. I don't know that I'm particularly in the headspace to properly explain what I mean, but "normal" folks already see people with mental health issues as volatile/weird/less than/etc, and it's taken decades of advocacy to chip away even a little bit at the shame and harmful stereotypes surrounding diagnosis/treatment/MHI in general.

Think of just how commonplace words that are degrading to those with MHI are part of all of our vocabulary. Retard (down syndrome), crazy (several conditions), idiot (down syndrome/IQ impairment), dumb (of deaf and dumb), bipolar (self explanatory though generally used in the same way as crazy), psycho (psychopath, but again used like crazy), the list goes on and on. All used in diagnostics at one point or another, oftentimes antiquated terms that are generally used in a negative way in order to put someone down.

Idk. It's hard for me to see people I respect, genuinely care about, and consider good friends say things that are harmful to others (regardless of if its intended or not). I'm genuinely not mad or trying to start any sort of argument or anything like that, but I did figure it was worth mentioning.

Personally I believe it to be an incredibly complex issue in which mental health is absolutely a factor, but it is by no means the only one. That being said, if it were purely a matter of mental health what are we doing as a country to address that issue? How do we support mental health when treatment is incredibly cost prohibitive and those who need it most are very often unable to seek it?

I was my daughter's age when Columbine happened. Myself and my children have all grown up in a world where school is no longer a safe place to learn. Two, now three generations of children in this country have had to learn what to do, where to hide, how to be silent while in imminent danger. It's traumatizing and it absolutely has psychological effects.

Even if it never happens, you still have that anxiety every single day. What if today is the day? Every goodbye at the bus stop or drop off could be the last. I'm no expert, but living every day not knowing, on high alert at any loud noise in the school, the momentary frozen fear when the fire alarm goes off, and the traumatic repeated experience that is active shooter drills, those have got to be breeding their own special type of mental illness. Entire generations living with complex PTSD because the grown ups who are supposed to keep them safe refuse to do anything at all to hold up their end of the bargain.

There is no easy fix to such a complex and complicated issue, but not doing anything at all certainly isn't the answer.

 

[Dr Fluff]