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I've heard good things about Cidly also.
I agree Cidly has some nice equipment and will sell samples if you are interested in them. Byson bsled.com have a nice looking COB I am on there mailing list why not eh keeps you on top of there newest stuff.
 
I've been catching up on my reading for these too. Have you had a good experience with them? Looks good.

Part of me thinks copying TaNg detail for detail is my best shout of getting a good yield, those GN's seem a safe route.

I've read a few comments saying some lights are lacking in the 660nm range in particular, do the Apollo's deliver on that front?

Yeah i'm having a good experience with Cidly - have a look through my grow diary (link in signature). Cidly let you specify your own LED spectrum, so you can have whatever you want! That's what I did with both of the units I bought from them.

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Yeah i'm having a good experience with Cidly - have a look through my grow diary (link in signature). Cidly let you specify your own LED spectrum, so you can have whatever you want! That's what I did with both of the units I bought from them.

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Customisable spec is a great idea from Cidly, surprised more suppliers don't match up.

Subbed your grow btw.
 
Customisable spec is a great idea from Cidly, surprised more suppliers don't match up.

Subbed your grow btw.

They really are very helpful and easy to order from mate I can't reccommend them enough! Thanks for subbing in to my grow thread - hoping to harvest some nice meds at the end of November!

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I get bored a lot and I know lots about leds and their role in photosythesis, especially as it pertains to the indoor cultivation of our beloved cannabis. Thought I'd introduce myself and start talking shop.

Anyway, these days, the right LED should cover about five different spectrums, excluding any white filler. infrared and UV radiation have both proven to beneficial and as the case my be, essential, in order for the plants to produce the full range of possible cannabinoids and terpenes. We're not just trying to keep the plants alive, during flowering we should bring out the best that the plant has to offer.

Anyway, I'm also technologically savvy. I know modern LED lights should have advanced secondary optics, heavy duty heat sinks (if you want years out of your light) and if you're lucky a microcontroller to prolong the life of your LEDs.

Allow me to explain that last part. That's what separates a light like a GN ms0004 and my LED. I posted a review of it a while ago, probably linked in this thread. The LEDs are all powered directly from a voltage converter. With a microcontroller you have the option of controlling your LEDs with pulse width modulation.

PWM is one of the secrets behind the success of Grow Northern lights. instead of always being on, it switches the voltage to the LED's from 3 to 0 and back to three in millionths of a second, basically flickering them as fast as the programming and microcontroller allows.

This is huge. That means they can run cooler, since they only produce heat (which kills any semi conductor) when they're on. So by blinking the lights, you use less energy, your LEDs run cooler, and I believe there's a second part to the story.

(i get off on tangets)

I think I remember reading somewhere that leaves can only absorb a certain amount of radiation per second or minute or something. Don't quote me on that, but I might have read something to that effect. The point is, most 3w LEDs produce ample PAR even when controlled via PWM (i.e. being off for part of the duty cycle). So this is definitely the tech we'll be growing with.

Back to the optics. You'll want the most up to date, futuristic, lenses you can buy, but you're pretty much stuck with three options.

60 degrees.
90 degrees.
and 120 degrees.


At the end of the day, it really depends on the canopy you'll be working with during flowering. Veg lights are different. But if you'll only be using one for the grow, i'd get a 90* - it's sort of the meeting point between photon penetration through the vegetation and coverage area, just in case square footage is a concern.


The best heat sinks I've ever seen on a grow light are vapor condensation pads on Kessil grow and aquarium lights. Basically it's a hollow metal case with a liquid inside that absorbs heat and evaporates and condenses on the other side of the pad, where there's a big dc fan circulating air. I have no doubt, based on the reputation of the company that they've developed an unmatched heat management system. Dunno if GN uses an auto/off feature just in case the unit over heats, but I do know California Light Works has that built in. Just so it doesn't cook itself.

What you need to understand is, each LED consumes 3w of power. It turns most of that into light. It's nearly the most efficient way to do that - but since it concentrates all of it's energy on one small chunk of luminescent phosphors, it tends to heat it rather quickly, even at low voltages. So a good heat sink is a must. I don't care if you're unit feels like it's running cool, those diodes are small, and on their scale, you'd hardly know if they were over heating till they burn out on you, unless you have an infrared thermometer... point that at your heatsink or the actual diode if you want an accurate reading of the semiconductor surface temp.

So all this stuff, the right spectral profile, highly efficient optics, a proper heat management system and PWM drivers... all of that can come together to create a really dependable grow light that you'll use season after season. Just gotta know what to look for.

Anyway, that's my write up - PM me with questions. I'm a timely responder.
interesting post but at the switching speeds you talk about the plant can not tell the difference and a higher peak current in needed with PWM to get the same average output which would actually create hot spots in the diode. the efficiency of the bridgelux diodes that these companies us is about 27%.73% of the input energy is dissipated as heat. the drivers operate at about 90% efficiency so system efficiency is about 24%. much better than CFLs not quite as good as T5s or T5HOs. using top bin CREES or VEROs would increase diode efficiency to about 39% if they were driven soft enough but these diodes cost 4 times as much as bridgelux.and when you add 430 and 470 NM diodes to get full coverage of the blue spectrum the price is even higher. Vero 18 29 VS CXA3070.pngone induction light makers sells 660nm led "pontoons" to supplement the spectrum of their light and with the present state of technology this may be the most cost effective approach. just my humble opinion
 
Buying LED Growlights on Ebay

Ebay is a major resource for buying LED Growlights, especially the Chinese units. Now some people seem to have a thing against Ebay, but I've done business on there almost since it existed. I've only ever had a couple problems and they were resolved to my satisfaction, albeit slowly.

What this is leading up to is on Monday, Jan. 5, I won the bid on a LED growlight. It ships from Hong Kong. So I assumed, 10days-3 weeks. WRONG! It shipped from Hong Kong on the 7th and is in my state, TODAY! I looked at the DHL tracking and couldn't believe it! Hows that FOR SERVICE! And its cleared customs!!!!! I may have it tomorrow!

Here's the link to the light and seller: http://www.ebay.com/itm/171629882072
 
Ebay is a major resource for buying LED Growlights, especially the Chinese units. Now some people seem to have a thing against Ebay, but I've done business on there almost since it existed. I've only ever had a couple problems and they were resolved to my satisfaction, albeit slowly.

What this is leading up to is on Monday, Jan. 5, I won the bid on a LED growlight. It ships from Hong Kong. So I assumed, 10days-3 weeks. WRONG! It shipped from Hong Kong on the 7th and is in my state, TODAY! I looked at the DHL tracking and couldn't believe it! Hows that FOR SERVICE! And its cleared customs!!!!! I may have it tomorrow!

Here's the link to the light and seller: http://www.ebay.com/itm/171629882072

I just got my light similar to this one today. I'm not very happy about it to say the least. Mine is more of a flowering light, lots of reds and oranges, very little blue and white. Although I did want this to add in flowering, I was hoping for more of a full spectrum light. The auction I won said it was full spectrum with IR but theres no IR on it, and the auction states it pulls 598 watts out of the wall, it was down around 290 on the Kill-A-Watt meter. I've been using the Mars Hydro Mars II lights so I guess I got used to them. I'm curious how you will like yours and what your opinion is on this light when you get it.
 
Nobody,how many diodes does your light have and are they 3watt or 5watts.
 
Nobody,how many diodes does your light have and are they 3watt or 5watts.

It has 150 diodes, and the auction claims they are 6 watts but they look more like 3 watts to me. Another thing too is that there are no heat sinks on the inside of the unit. The fans blow really well and you can feel the hot air coming out, but I was a bit surprised there are no heat sinks.
 
You should definitely contact them and see what they have to say about it. Maybe include a photo of that Kill a watt showing half of what they claim.
 
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