Grow Mediums Kindsoil Official Test Team Grow Battle

[Ripper]

What's up test homies!

... First, I must say that I may have not thought my participation through, considering the established protocol for the testing with no nothin' to be added, even if needed,... my bad! Problem is, as mentioned this grow is not for me alone, but others as well, for which I have been "hired"... results need to be great, and I cannot allow a plant to falter or fail when simple feeding/supp's will see it better to harvest,... the crappy start has already cost time I did not have to spare as is, and very likely, yield as well,... So, I may have to DQ myself from the test... I'll still run the soil, and still angle for no inputs, and document fully the whole grow, but if a plant needs help, she going to get it! I'll see what KS thinks, and any plant that does go with no significant nutritional inputs can still be considered for the test results, but plants that get help, obviously not,... not sure if I'll jump threads to the Commune with the other unofficial testers, or stay here and report only those that maintain the protocol,...some discussion needed there!
...But, that said, the new girls are cranking right along! ...on day 9 now; added in due to uncertain seed arrival of more Acapulco Gold, is Kalishnapple x Sweet Tooth... turns out the seeds did get here finally, and I've fired off two others, their fate to be determined, but at least one will still be in the test,... the transplanted AG, FairyBreath, and Flavor Grape are doing well now, the rest were shitcanned,... a possible idea: dual-plant FB's in a 10gal,... .... they're growing fast, so this week it's order time, and will get transplanted ASAP,...(these are 32oz cups)

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>>> pop22- looking great bro'! Ice Cool, mmmmm,...... Oh, the mutie is now part of the Anomoly thread- Is this an IC, or a B-kush as the label says? (https://www.autoflower.org/threads/anomolies-we-have-seen-on-afn.50661/ )

>> Bromeo-- I know it's killin ya my friend! (you too brother EoF) -- To not juice her up is soooo unnatural, right?! (I think this is a form of P defc., not at all typical, but I see similar symptom manifestations in Sick Bay, and treatment with P seems to help; are you guys seeing some N defc. as well, beyond the expected general amount for this stage?)... Still, there's stores in those fans, and she may finish face-first butt-ugly, but I'm confident there will be great bud by the end, just not as much as, potentially,... She is a big'un, and I think the plant size/pot size thing has caught up with her and the available nutrients,... And no matter what, this is an excellent case in point test subject for KS application to autos, pot size and amount of KS added,... we all know how rather variable auto's are in their nute' demands, so all this is totally uncharted territory, the first early pieces to the puzzle! Same for EoF's MA,... and just like his SNOG, your FEx is still running fine- Hard to make any conclusions about strains, Indi-Sati' nutritional tendencies, etc. yet,... ***.... --and Man, that FEx!! How phat is she dude?! ...She makes me pine for my little coco-cup girl from last year...Oh the aroma and flavor! Your Jools the Sati'-Queen is going to hog the jar big time, trust me, you better hide a little stash of her, lest you have barely a taste before it's gone!


*** Molasses-- read the labels guys, some are definitely richer in nute's than others...locally, I found Brer Rabbit to be the best, more Ca, Mg and K (?),... Fe is the same,.. for cooking, I like Grandma's milder taste better, but is less rich than Brer,...

>> KS-- my sister cans lots of things, and I found pure citric acid in her cupboard, in a nice fine crystal size,... I assume this will be just as good, just faster dissolving,... I saw nothing on the EJ label that indicates anything special about their formulation,...?

>>> Hobbstahhh! ...'bout time man- ... I like that Left-Over girl, another good test subject to consider, given her KS amount,... fingers crossed on the Autopots my friend! That, I'm very interested in seeing result of,...

>> :smoking: EoF, that SNOG is looking giggady giggady-goo!!

..resins and bud density is superb my friend- -seriously, that is advertisement-grade material right there!.... what's her perfume like? .... MA has a lot of Sativa in her, right? She's making lots of very lovely bud too, pale leaves aside!

>> Pops! man, those girls are loving the soil proper now, ay? ... 3 beauties for your dancing pleasure! ..love the chunky 3 Bears, but the Crink's is still my fav'... has Mitch had a peek at her yet? I'm curious if this leaf pheno' is typical, or not,...

>>> Anthro buddy, I'm pullin' for ya mate! Those temps are a challenge for a grown plant, much less seedlings,.. ...and still they look good, even after the daily roasting! What's the RH been like over 24h period?

>> Step'-- daaaamn! G-13 blow-up!! If this is how photo's are going to react to KS, I'm more stoked by the minute,... ..still looking for some local G-13 too, and there's nuth, dammit!
... double dAAAmn!! are these FD's WJEMS? Those are the best males I've seen in a while! Has FD seen them? You might have some "stud" services coming my friend! there's enough grain-love there to knock up half the West Coast...


>>> Sniper I'm still gutted about that whole rotten shitty mess out your way,.. ...plants may seem like small potatoes in comparison, but I know how important your meds are to your health! -- and that magic horse poop compost too- fek fek fek fek.... that they're still salvageable is amazing,.. guess we'll see how good the sugar leaves are at a more supportive role! there's still some time too, so I'm sending major reboot bloom karma your way my friend!

>>>

As long as your water is clean you will have no issues at all

 

[briman]

@Waira Yes, Started as a test thread and will remain as such, but hey brother, you are welcome here and I'd hate to see you move! I appreciate your honesty and more than understand your growing goals and helping other folks out and your mad grow skills being pimped out to produce! No harm, No foul. I wish you great grow Karma in what ever you decide. Look forward to seeing how your grow progresses!

 

[Kindsoil]

What's up test homies!

... First, I must say that I may have not thought my participation through, considering the established protocol for the testing with no nothin' to be added, even if needed,... my bad! Problem is, as mentioned this grow is not for me alone, but others as well, for which I have been "hired"... results need to be great, and I cannot allow a plant to falter or fail when simple feeding/supp's will see it better to harvest,... the crappy start has already cost time I did not have to spare as is, and very likely, yield as well,... So, I may have to DQ myself from the test... I'll still run the soil, and still angle for no inputs, and document fully the whole grow, but if a plant needs help, she going to get it! I'll see what KS thinks, and any plant that does go with no significant nutritional inputs can still be considered for the test results, but plants that get help, obviously not,... not sure if I'll jump threads to the Commune with the other unofficial testers, or stay here and report only those that maintain the protocol,...some discussion needed there!
...But, that said, the new girls are cranking right along! ...on day 9 now; added in due to uncertain seed arrival of more Acapulco Gold, is Kalishnapple x Sweet Tooth... turns out the seeds did get here finally, and I've fired off two others, their fate to be determined, but at least one will still be in the test,... the transplanted AG, FairyBreath, and Flavor Grape are doing well now, the rest were shitcanned,... a possible idea: dual-plant FB's in a 10gal,... .... they're growing fast, so this week it's order time, and will get transplanted ASAP,...(these are 32oz cups)

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>>> pop22- looking great bro'! Ice Cool, mmmmm,...... Oh, the mutie is now part of the Anomoly thread- Is this an IC, or a B-kush as the label says? (https://www.autoflower.org/threads/anomolies-we-have-seen-on-afn.50661/ )

>> Bromeo-- I know it's killin ya my friend! (you too brother EoF) -- To not juice her up is soooo unnatural, right?! (I think this is a form of P defc., not at all typical, but I see similar symptom manifestations in Sick Bay, and treatment with P seems to help; are you guys seeing some N defc. as well, beyond the expected general amount for this stage?)... Still, there's stores in those fans, and she may finish face-first butt-ugly, but I'm confident there will be great bud by the end, just not as much as, potentially,... She is a big'un, and I think the plant size/pot size thing has caught up with her and the available nutrients,... And no matter what, this is an excellent case in point test subject for KS application to autos, pot size and amount of KS added,... we all know how rather variable auto's are in their nute' demands, so all this is totally uncharted territory, the first early pieces to the puzzle! Same for EoF's MA,... and just like his SNOG, your FEx is still running fine- Hard to make any conclusions about strains, Indi-Sati' nutritional tendencies, etc. yet,... ***.... --and Man, that FEx!! How phat is she dude?! ...She makes me pine for my little coco-cup girl from last year...Oh the aroma and flavor! Your Jools the Sati'-Queen is going to hog the jar big time, trust me, you better hide a little stash of her, lest you have barely a taste before it's gone!


*** Molasses-- read the labels guys, some are definitely richer in nute's than others...locally, I found Brer Rabbit to be the best, more Ca, Mg and K (?),... Fe is the same,.. for cooking, I like Grandma's milder taste better, but is less rich than Brer,...

>> KS-- my sister cans lots of things, and I found pure citric acid in her cupboard, in a nice fine crystal size,... I assume this will be just as good, just faster dissolving,... I saw nothing on the EJ label that indicates anything special about their formulation,...?

>>> Hobbstahhh! ...'bout time man- ... I like that Left-Over girl, another good test subject to consider, given her KS amount,... fingers crossed on the Autopots my friend! That, I'm very interested in seeing result of,...

>> :smoking: EoF, that SNOG is looking giggady giggady-goo!!

..resins and bud density is superb my friend- -seriously, that is advertisement-grade material right there!.... what's her perfume like? .... MA has a lot of Sativa in her, right? She's making lots of very lovely bud too, pale leaves aside!

>> Pops! man, those girls are loving the soil proper now, ay? ... 3 beauties for your dancing pleasure! ..love the chunky 3 Bears, but the Crink's is still my fav'... has Mitch had a peek at her yet? I'm curious if this leaf pheno' is typical, or not,...

>>> Anthro buddy, I'm pullin' for ya mate! Those temps are a challenge for a grown plant, much less seedlings,.. ...and still they look good, even after the daily roasting! What's the RH been like over 24h period?

>> Step'-- daaaamn! G-13 blow-up!! If this is how photo's are going to react to KS, I'm more stoked by the minute,... ..still looking for some local G-13 too, and there's nuth, dammit!
... double dAAAmn!! are these FD's WJEMS? Those are the best males I've seen in a while! Has FD seen them? You might have some "stud" services coming my friend! there's enough grain-love there to knock up half the West Coast...


>>> Sniper I'm still gutted about that whole rotten shitty mess out your way,.. ...plants may seem like small potatoes in comparison, but I know how important your meds are to your health! -- and that magic horse poop compost too- fek fek fek fek.... that they're still salvageable is amazing,.. guess we'll see how good the sugar leaves are at a more supportive role! there's still some time too, so I'm sending major reboot bloom karma your way my friend!

>>>

so just to be clear your having issues with the soil? i got a bit lost in the entire message.

 

[Kindsoil]

As long as your water is clean you will have no issues at all

Ripper is absolutely correct our system is very simple and i just wanna put this whole quick piece out for anyone either having issues or reading this thread questioning why people may be having issues.

if you choose not to follow our exact directions your going to have issues. As we state everywhere on our website, your water must be in a safe ph range. cannabis grown organic should be receiving water in the proper PH range of 6.3-6.8 (6.5 being the most stable and strongest for the plant) any water that is higher than 6.9 should be PH adjusted. All soils buffer acidic water they have a very hard time buffering base water to become acidic. When you PH adjust as we state ONLY use citric acid crystals. as i go through all these threads the people that are having issues are either choosing not to use citric acid crystals or they are adding all kinds of other stuff to the system or they are looking as if they are using phosphoric acids still to ph adjust.
the last issue that people have with the soil is they are trying to use and PH adjust 0ppm RO water, which we also state to not do or use with our system. clean well water, carbon filtered water, or basic clean tap water is what we recommend.

If your water PH is naturally 6.3-6.8 all you should be doing is watering. if your water is above 6.9 you should be using ONLY CITRIC ACID CRYSTALS FROM EARTH JUICE to adjust. Theres absolutely no reasons to short change your grows and use say lemon juice or citric acid crystals from companies that are not designed for growing. were talking about minimal costs and time to get it right. everyone here has never had problems buying 300$ in nutrient lines, ph adjusting every single mix and doing that on a weekly basis. But getting a 40$ PH meter, 16$ bottle of citric acid crystals and taking an hour to figure out how much to properly use becomes a issue? and all those items PH meter will last years when properly kept, the citric acid bottle will last most growers a year + depending on your grow sizes and once you know the amount needed for a 1 gallon or 5 gallon bucket of water the amount of crystals will generally always be the same as long as your water source has stable PH levels. All of this is very simple and minimal the problem becomes everyone wants to add things, feed as if the plants are needing more than whats already provided or simply don't want to run the system as we describe. We deal with so many more Photo growers than we do autos so i don't have a lot of auto flower photo grows to upload to this site but here in a bit i will upload a batch of photo plant grows which have even longer veg and flower times than anyone here is running and you can see that when you follow exactly what we state to do growth issues, deficiencies etc.. will not be a problem ever.

If your setting the system up as described and properly watering with correctly PH adjusted water you will not encounter uptake issues or any other growth issues at all. all issues with our system always revolve around growers not knowing their actual water PH levels, growers not properly adjusting their water with citric acid crystals only (NO PHOSPHORIC OR LIQUID ACIDS EVER) and lastly DO NOT ever try adding excess feeds or chemicals or anything else to the system our system is setup to be ran with WATER ONLY adding anything else to the grow will only screw up how the system works. If your truly following everything we state and your not screwing around with your PH by guessing or not caring what your water PH is you truly will not encounter growth issues, deficiencies or any health issues through the grow.

i jumbled a lot of that i hope it makes sense if not please shoot any questions my way.

 

[Kindsoil]

first off they look 100x better from when you were using the phosphoric... second the yellowing your seeing is from your water ph it looks like your using a base water and not PH adjusting it am i right? yellowing like that without any "burns" occurring on the leaves always revolve around high water ph levels. whats actually happening isn't a deficiency. but also one or two lower level leaves being yellow also is no where near the sign of deficient. deficiency will show on a fairly large amount of the fans generally all at once. your whole plant will not be green and one or two leaves discolored when a deficiency occurs. Plants do just naturally drop leaves for many reasons from allowing light to get into other spots to something as simple as maybe one water was too light or too late and some roots dried out causing the plant to drop leaves. so if theres one or two leaves that aren't looking stunning and the plant itself is theres no reason to worry about a fan leave or two dying off. but from what i can see in the pics they really look as if they are just getting incorrect PH water, and that water PH is too high.

My input has been rare. Sorry about that. I ran two G13 clones, at the start I think I may have planted them too deep they got a bit of a burn. I topped both clones and they been growing since. I tried ph'ing with General hydro pH down. Kindsoil said use eartjuice crystals so I have been. I find them to be a pain in the ass.
I like the idea of just water, but having to pH ehhh,
I get confused in the run on threads I'll check the days and edit
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I'm not doing any thing but watering this one has a single yellow leaf.
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The auto's I planted.. well the luck of the draw, I guess. Both male but it's a soil test right?
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Never really grew a male and showed it off so...
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If I was smart, I would've used promix instead of Coco loco, I'll try to update the dates soon

 

[Kindsoil]

first off they look 100x better from when you were using the phosphoric... second the yellowing your seeing is from your water ph it looks like your using a base water and not PH adjusting it am i right? yellowing like that without any "burns" occurring on the leaves always revolve around high water ph levels. whats actually happening isn't a deficiency. but also one or two lower level leaves being yellow also is no where near the sign of deficient. deficiency will show on a fairly large amount of the fans generally all at once. your whole plant will not be green and one or two leaves discolored when a deficiency occurs. Plants do just naturally drop leaves for many reasons from allowing light to get into other spots to something as simple as maybe one water was too light or too late and some roots dried out causing the plant to drop leaves. so if theres one or two leaves that aren't looking stunning and the plant itself is theres no reason to worry about a fan leave or two dying off. but from what i can see in the pics they really look as if they are just getting incorrect PH water, and that water PH is too high.

you will never become deficient in veg at any time when your water is is in the proper PH range, adjusted properly and your staying within our grow "time table" guidelines. We have ran our system over all recommended veg and flower times by over a month before any signs of deficiency ever occurred through the entire grow. below is a Photo grow ran in a 3 gallon pot it was vegged for 1 month over what we recommend then flowered.

 

[Kindsoil]

here is a bunch of different PHOTO growers pics in our soil. all are different stages different grows/genetics.. etc..

 

[Kindsoil]

are you using phosphoric acid to PH? it looks like you are.. second i get that it was successful and i don't ever want to detour growers from what works but i would not recommend to any growers to add kind soil anywhere near the seeding start area. our soil is very strong and generally can or will kill seedlings especially if too much kind soil is near the seed or even clones.

Update!

Well I had planted a bunch of REGULAR beans (because that's all I had on hand) and put them in 1 gallon pots for the purpose of this test. I didn't want to waste the opportunity in case I had males in the bunch, so I took four Blackberry Stone's and brought them to sex in 1 gallon pots using pure coco-coir and my normal nutrient regiment of Sea Grow 16-16-16. Once they sexed, I moved them to the autopots (which happened just a few days ago) and now after the transplant, I am continuing on using only pH'd water as recommended for the soil. Any leaf problems in these pics (taken just today) were from pre-transplant. I will continue to veg them out and flower until completed using only water.

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The plant in the smaller 2 gallon pot on the far right is actually what I had left over for Kind Soil. I wasn't planning on showcasing it, it was just actually kind of a "well crap, there's a tiny bit left and this is what I have, so... for shits and grins let's put this in a pot!" I was advised I would probably have problems going straight coco-coir with my seedlings with Kind Soil. The mix in the 2 gallon pot is the layer of Kind Soil on the bottom, then the rest is coco-coir, perlite, and I mixed maybe a cup full of Kind Soil into the TOP layer of coco-coir. It's actually done surprisingly well! Not the biggest of the betties but it's holding it's own for something I have literally ONLY given pH'd water through it's entire life!

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And here's a lineup of the four that were just transplanted:

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Curious to see how these babies finish out! My impressions so far is that this is an EXTREMELY easy system, provided it works for the needs of the plants. In my comparison here I have 4 plants were fed nutrients via my normal schedule (and now switching to the Kind Soil system to finish veg and flower,) and one literally just KS from start to finish!

Was also warned they may not work well in autopots, I'm still working on hooking up the system but have been hand watering since transplant. The root balls were place RIGHT on top of the KS layer though, so they should easily be hitting it for the leach/wicking.

More updates coming, just wanted to get these babies sexed before posting pictures of possible male parts all over haha!

Appreciate the opportunity from @Kindsoil !

 

[stepside]

What do you suggest I pH my water at? Top media is Coco loco. I'm not saying it has a deficiency it's getting old it should lose a couple bottom leaves. I'm new to using hot soil and to using Coco loco. I'm willing to listen. I'm using earth juice crystals my tap is well water that comes out at about 7.7-7.8 right now.

 

[briman]

PH range of 6.3-6.8 (6.5 being the most stable and strongest for the plant) any water that is higher than 6.9 should be PH adjusted.

Right here @stepside!