How to grow in coco loco?!

Coco is a great medium. I love the structure of it, the growth-rate of the plants and that it is impossible to overwater, unless you really trying to kill your plants.

Go with coco my brother!
 
Coco is a great medium. I love the structure of it, the growth-rate of the plants and that it is impossible to overwater, unless you really trying to kill your plants.

Go with coco my brother!
That was another reason i wanted to switch i overwatered one of my first autos and got root rot and killed it. Lol idw to do that again. Thanks going to switch to coco for sure!
 
If you're ordering online, I have had very good luck with Cyco Coco Pearl. It's a bit more $$ at $48 for a big bag off Amazon.

The FF Coir looks fine as well. It' is prebuffered, which means it's loaded with Cal/Mag so you shouldn't need to add extra unless the feed schedule says to. Nice article here:



Lots to read up on for coco. However, once you know the basics it is pretty easy.

I would highly recommend testing your water before you decide how to proceed. The ppm/EC of the water will dictate how much fertilizer you can add to it. My tap water is 210ppm or so. i started by cutting it with jugs of distilled water from the store 50/50 to bring it down to a more useable range. I finally invested in a RO machine as the price at the store rose considerably, and I hated lugging gallons around.

I usually run seedling strength nute mix through the coco to wet it initially, rinse out the coco dust, and to test the runoff and see how much "stuff" they put in it. The Cyco Pearl comes out at around 700ppm initially. I rinse it until the runoff drops to around 400ppm or a little less. The seedling strength is 300-350ppm. You will have to adjust nutrient strength based on your chosed fertilizer line and what the plant tells you.

I ran a solo cup of coco with Advanced Nutrients Sensi line and had tip/nute burn around 450ppm. I am currently running Jacks 321 at around 700ppm without issue. So, numbers are a guideline.

Coco basics:

Always fertigate. Always nutrients mixed in, never water only.
Adjust pH to between 5.8-6.2
Water to runoff everytime. Suggested volume is 20%. So, if you fertigate 500ml in you should be looking for 100ml of runoff. If you get less, water more!
Nutrient strength guidelines are for photoperiods. Autos do great between 50-80% strength.
The EC/PPM guide number is your starting water + nutrients. If your guide says 500ppm and your water is 200ppm, you can add 300ppm of nutes.


In the seedling stage you may not need to water for a few days after the initial soak, after that, once a day, and eventually you may need to water 2-3-4 times a day depending on how much the plant wants. I'm at about day 40 currently, watering 2x a day and about 1000ml each time.
What ppm levels should i be at for each stage of life? Ppm is brand new to me. Lol
 
Well ppm is also EC. Just depends what scale you like to use. EC is the most accurate but ppm makes sense to me.

Strength is very strain dependent. Mix up a full strength gallon of your current nutrient line as they say to. See what the strength is, in ppm, and then use between 50-80% strength of that. Adjust up or down from there depending on how you plant looks.

I run 80% strength of my current nutrients and it works great. I measure volume in and volume out. By testing the runoff ppm I can see if the plant is using everything, salts are building up, etc... I adjust based on that & what the plant wants.
 
Well ppm is also EC. Just depends what scale you like to use. EC is the most accurate but ppm makes sense to me.

Strength is very strain dependent. Mix up a full strength gallon of your current nutrient line as they say to. See what the strength is, in ppm, and then use between 50-80% strength of that. Adjust up or down from there depending on how you plant looks.

I run 80% strength of my current nutrients and it works great. I measure volume in and volume out. By testing the runoff ppm I can see if the plant is using everything, salts are building up, etc... I adjust based on that & what the plant wants.
Ok so ppm meter for sure before anything else. Thanks!
 
What ppm levels should i be at for each stage of life? Ppm is brand new to me. Lol

I start at 0,7-0,8ec.. then raise about 0.2 each week OR adjust depending on the color of the seedling/plant. As soon as it gets a touch lighter then perfectly green - you raise 0.2ec!

See the plant as a green color and your absolute goal is to keep it healthy green.

Another thing is to try find the perfect sweet-spot with your light/lights for the phenotype.

Some plants can handle/will handle the light better. With that i want to tell you to start with more then just 1 seed - as some are stronger then others - and what you want is that strong pheno who can handle it all and still be a winner-plant :pass:

Look at their roots wich will tell a lot... Pick the one/ones with a healthy root-system and a perfectly or nearly perfectly healthy green foliage, but also the one/ones that are symmetrical.

Ask me and i will tell you everything about how I do.... but the best way would be to show you in person, but that will be a difficult task at the moment.

Im not as good as the real PROs, but i know how to get them BIG.

Wish you the best of grows brother :toke:

Edit - this is my biggest secrets.... ;)
 
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Ok so ppm meter for sure before anything else. Thanks!
The thing about PPM is that the so called ppm meter just measures EC (electrical conductivity of the liquid) and then converts it to ppm (which is never really ppm except if the only thing in the liquid is sodium chloride). This would be fine except different manufacturers use different conversion factors, so unless you know which factor someone's meter is using, you can't use their ppm numbers directly.

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IMO, you are better off just sticking with EC. Most meters, even the cheap ones, can be set up either way. Any time nute manufacturers or other growers use EC, you do not have to worry about which conversion is behind the number. Most nute companies use EC because it is not ambiguous.

One wrinkle is that some meters report in millisiemens, some in microsiemens when the former reads 1.0, the latter reads 1000. Just shift the decimal point if needed. :biggrin:
 
The thing about PPM is that the so called ppm meter just measures EC (electrical conductivity of the liquid) and then converts it to ppm (which is never really ppm except if the only thing in the liquid is sodium chloride). This would be fine except different manufacturers use different conversion factors, so unless you know which factor someone's meter is using, you can't use their ppm numbers directly.

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IMO, you are better off just sticking with EC. Most meters, even the cheap ones, can be set up either way. Any time nute manufacturers or other growers use EC, you do not have to worry about which conversion is behind the number. Most nute companies use EC because it is not ambiguous.

One wrinkle is that some meters report in millisiemens, some in microsiemens when the former reads 1.0, the latter reads 1000. Just shift the decimal point if needed. :biggrin:
Oh boy i have a lot to learn. My meter has EC and ppm readings so thats a plus. I think ill start with only 2 seeds first run with coco just in case. Lol
 
Mix the ratios according to the Fox Trio instructions, and use an EC meter to adjust the mix to target EC levels by adding plain water. If your water is hard, you will need to at least dilute it with distilled or RO water, or find another source. My tap water sucks, so I use surface water from a creek, or later in the winter, melted snow.

The EC target you choose will depend to some degree on whether you top irrigate or sub-irrigate. If sub-irrigating, you need to keep EC levels even lower than with top irrigation. I have, I think never kept them low enough with my autopots, so I always ran into lockout issues. I am now going to automated top irrigation more or less as described by Cocoforcannabis.com. It worked a treat on my solo grow last winter. :pighug:

Hey @Olderfart revisiting this post.

I'm doing my fair share of research before I start my coco grow.. I've always wondered if you should add cal-mag to the water you are using to dilute or is it okay to dilute coco with plain water?
 
I'm doing my fair share of research before I start my coco grow.. I've always wondered if you should add cal-mag to the water you are using to dilute or is it okay to dilute coco with plain water?

If you need to bump the nutrients down a little strength wise, your starting water should be fine. Just recheck the EC and pH.

Also, I've just started a new plant in the Mother Earth Coco. I know you had asked about it weeks ago. So far I've only run seedling strength nutrients through it and transplanted the seedling.

I can say that it does not have any excess nutrients in it. I was putting in 320ppm/6.0pH solution and the runoff was barely 340ppm/ 6.4pH. It was a bit dusty and the runoff had a murky tinge to it. No bit deal but just means a good rinse is in order. I like to rinse the entire pot and wet the whole thing down before I start anyways. Something I noticed. Not a lot of visible bits just cloudy runoff.

Have you decided on a nutrient line?
 
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