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[WildBill]

"PGRs were first discovered in the late 1920s and were used in agriculture for over 40 years. They were finally banned for use on consumable food crops in the 1970s and in some nations, PGRs are classified as pesticides. "

from the website: https://wayofleaf.com/blog/plant-growth-regulators-in-weed

PGR = Plant growth regulators.

PGRs are any substance or mixture of substances which boost or slow down the rate of growth/maturation of plants through physiological action, or otherwise change the natural behavior of plants and their produce.

PGRs, widely used in agricultural farming on crops including peppers and eggplants, are a group of chemicals designed to increase the yield of crops, reduce fruit drop frequency, and manipulate the development of the crops and the quality of storage. PGRs are often known as Plant Growth Retardants and interfere with the hormonal pathways of plants.

They impact phytohormones which play a major role in a plant’s growth and development. These hormones are naturally regulated through environmental cues, receptors, and a plant’s genome. There are five major plant hormone classes:

• Gibberellin
• Auxin
• Cytokinin
• Ethylene
• Abscisic Acid (ABA)

The infamous Alar scare of 1989 is a clear sign that PGRs should not be used in marijuana. Also known as daminozide, Alar is a manmade chemical that was used for faster maturation of cherries and apples. The FDA approved its use in 1968 after two years of carcinogen testing on rats.

However, in the 1970s, Dr. Bela Toth discovered that Alar had caused tumors in the livers, lungs, kidneys, and blood vessels of mice when used at several times the maximum tolerated dose (MTD) for men.

his final summary: In reality, the threat posed by PGRs may be overblown, but it is nonetheless something we need to take seriously. Whenever possible, we recommend only using organically grown marijuana.

One prime reason why I'm growing my own!

 

[BII]

Are all PRGs bad; and if not, what makes one bad? If PGRs are any growth factor, whether stimulant or inhibitor, doesn't stimulants include all the various kelp/seaweed and other plant-derived growth supplements most of us use all the time? And if PGRs affect "plants through physiological action," that is just boosting or inhibiting existing natural processes, what's the problem with that?

Or are we really only talking about a subset of bad actor synthetic PGRs with human and/or environmental toxicity, like Alar?

 

[Bob's Auto's]

Are all PRGs bad; and if not, what makes one bad? If PGRs are any growth factor, whether stimulant or inhibitor, doesn't stimulants include all the various kelp/seaweed and other plant-derived growth supplements most of us use all the time? And if PGRs affect "plants through physiological action," that is just boosting or inhibiting existing natural processes, what's the problem with that?

Or are we really only talking about a subset of bad actor synthetic PGRs with human and/or environmental toxicity, like Alar?

Not all are bad. Some of them even occur in the plants them self... An example would be Brassinolide which can be found in Rapeseed.
I know PGR are frond upon, but when used in the correct dosage it can be beneficial for several reasons (ie, extend flowering, protection against bugs and fungus, yield and so on...)
I use a foliar spray (only once per season) which consists of 50ppm BAP, 15ppm TRIA & 0.1ppm BRASS to boost growth in the plants. Followed by another foliar spray (also once per season) which consists of 400ppm Ethephon when the plants are mid bloom. This last one promotes the formation of ethylene in plants which in return boosts female flowers... It can even be used to turn a male into a female, but that's obviously not why I use it

Warning: I only grow for myself and I've done my homework on the use of PGR. If you don't have the means to weigh exact amounts till three or four decimals don't even start with using them as you'll probably be using to much. I have someone who weighs every PGR on a laboratory scale and mixes my stock solution with the right solvents and puts this in distilled water so I get what I asked for.

 

[karlkutta]

"PGRs were first discovered in the late 1920s and were used in agriculture for over 40 years. They were finally banned for use on consumable food crops in the 1970s and in some nations, PGRs are classified as pesticides. "

from the website: https://wayofleaf.com/blog/plant-growth-regulators-in-weed

PGR = Plant growth regulators.

PGRs are any substance or mixture of substances which boost or slow down the rate of growth/maturation of plants through physiological action, or otherwise change the natural behavior of plants and their produce.

PGRs, widely used in agricultural farming on crops including peppers and eggplants, are a group of chemicals designed to increase the yield of crops, reduce fruit drop frequency, and manipulate the development of the crops and the quality of storage. PGRs are often known as Plant Growth Retardants and interfere with the hormonal pathways of plants.

They impact phytohormones which play a major role in a plant’s growth and development. These hormones are naturally regulated through environmental cues, receptors, and a plant’s genome. There are five major plant hormone classes:

• Gibberellin
• Auxin
• Cytokinin
• Ethylene
• Abscisic Acid (ABA)

The infamous Alar scare of 1989 is a clear sign that PGRs should not be used in marijuana. Also known as daminozide, Alar is a manmade chemical that was used for faster maturation of cherries and apples. The FDA approved its use in 1968 after two years of carcinogen testing on rats.

However, in the 1970s, Dr. Bela Toth discovered that Alar had caused tumors in the livers, lungs, kidneys, and blood vessels of mice when used at several times the maximum tolerated dose (MTD) for men.

his final summary: In reality, the threat posed by PGRs may be overblown, but it is nonetheless something we need to take seriously. Whenever possible, we recommend only using organically grown marijuana.

thank you for providing the details. very interesting! didnt expect this thread to take a dive into PGR's but i think that is very insightful. I feel that to some extent adding nutes, especially the 30+ product line ups, doesnt fall too far from this but I see where the above chemicals are on the next level of plant manipulation. i guess not too far removed from GMO's and the like (i mean in the grand scheme of things - big picture)

I feel the way that this industry should go is essentially along the lines of the micro brew / craft beer industry where you have several growers creating their signature bud products, in a nice environment and ambience. I feel that way also the profit's will be more reasonable vs pushing these plants to mass producers who are only looking after the $$$ and not the quality or value they provide.

 

[Mustang92]

I forgot , I have also made adjustment to blade depth on my bud trimmer. Was not happy with orginal cut and adjusted number of washers on blade shaft to bring closer to base. They have several washers stacked on propeller shaft and I settled on removing two. I did 3 but blade would rub, so blade does have some adjustment to how close you cut decide to cut.
* if you decide to experiment with this do a very very light practice spin, remember this is a gear box and good chance you can force it to spin even rubbing and damage something.

 

[Mustang92]

Wet trim, i use straight blade with non serrated blade.

Started chopping bud for the bud grinder, do a quick cut of fan leaves and cut into manageable branch so i can go inside from the rain and hail and i also washed the weed so needs to fit wash bins.

king tut, two plants took 1/2 hour to chop down

after about 10-15 spins

Some cut bud, siccors are because i lost lighter in weed pile.

Different sizes of bud

I even grind the small popcorn bud, it falls through wire grill but i want it to because i'm going to make butter.

Thats two king tut plants and bowl is 16"

I did 10 plants, 5 different strains all wet this week end in about 12 hours and some really sticky hands and some scissor hash too., I will go to drying nets with bud and i use shoe boxes for shake. Have 4 hanging 8 layer nets in room. I also usually leave a small stem so i can use to snap to help tell when ready for jars.

Note: my fingers are sticking to cell phone so didn't get alot of good pics.

 

[olbobcat]

The bowl trimmer is good when you have a lot to do, but it doesn't do the best job. Some buds get chopped up and others not close enough.
It is a tool in the toolbox. I am going to get myself a cannabrush, another tool in the toolbox. I trim like Soma, get rid of the big stuff, and knock off the small stuff when I smoke it.

 

[NorthernLights_420]

Some people use bud hardeners the last 3 weeks to tighten the buds up and pack on weight (if ur selling) but I prefer the natural way (for my personal smoke) cuz the bud hardeners can cause cancer I've read. Google "PGR weed cancer" 2nd article down explains it all man. Why I dont mess with bud hardeners. I grow for my own medicine. I grow cuz I hate people selling me wet weed not cured and shit. I do my own right b4 I smoke it. Waste if time growing if ur just gonna rush it I feel. Patience is key to bomb ass dank.

 

[NorthernLights_420]

Amazon product
Amazon product

I got the ipower one because it was on sale, my buddy has the other one forget name i think HP or something like that. They are identical zero difference except colour. They always come on sale for under $200 and they are all pretty much the same on amazon. Some come with 3 blades some with 2 blades, one wet trim blade and one dry trim blade and 3rd blade is usually just a wire. The top with gearbox and hand crank and a real nice bowl and little rubber mat to set up on and spin. There is no doubt you can hand trim better, the machine is a little too aggressive but who cares just better butter from bowl. I've wet cut and dry cut, wet cut is the way to go, the only thing i don't like about wet cutting is your drying trimmed bud in drying nets you get one flat side. Not big deal but I'm anal about bag appeal so it take me one joint smoked to get over it. The machine starts to shine 2-3 plants in and your hands are cramped and you start getting lazy and just want to finish, the machine don't care. The best part you can trim and binge watch the Umbrella Acamdey, Stranger Things, The Office at same time.

I been eyeing these things up. Trimming can be tedious work. I'm glad to see a good review on here b4 I decided to try it. Thanks for the review!