Mr @Eyes on Fire yes I have spent many hours studying K.N.F , But I have to get my soil right first , Now I do not have Chickens - Ducks I would love to have them , [ but the pythons would eat them ] - Horse - Cows - but my mates do . What I do have is lots of native worm and curly grub castings in season , like bucket loads This style of growing I believe is a live style commitment which I enjoy . @Tommy McCain I would like to hear more of your input and thoughts , @dankstyle J you too mate [ RAW ] @robbio I am interested on you thoughts too @Jraven I admire your skills , Now what do you use from your local environment , @Stinky Pete you still on board mate . We all know the saying -- You are never to old to learn -- I think the young ones have forgotten that , They seem to know everything ,