Indoor GSC & Pineapple express Fast buds

[Chester]

As even a canopy as possible w/ space for the light to penetrate as far as possible ... I try to get about six branches approximately the same height forming the plant ... when one stem starts to stretch I pinch it about an inch below it's tip, sometimes bend it sometimes not ... I'm no botanist but it seems when the light hits a tip it starts to grow longer, when the center stem is pinched it slows the center momentarily while signaling all the side branches that there is a possibility that they could become dominant so they all try to grow the tallest ... watched daily it can be fascinating ...


I lift the leaves for 4-6 hrs at a time ... if the lifted leaves look OK the next day then you can lift them again ... otherwise every couple days works to ... this briefly stops the center from growing but if done gently it only stops the lifted portion for a few hours longer than the leaves were lifted for ...

 

[Puddentane]

Things look awfully good from up here in the cheap seats. Yours are moving on a much faster pace than mine did. I suspect you are going to see some rite tasty buds come February.

 

[mlorE]

As even a canopy as possible w/ space for the light to penetrate as far as possible ... I try to get about six branches approximately the same height forming the plant ... when one stem starts to stretch I pinch it about an inch below it's tip, sometimes bend it sometimes not ... I'm no botanist but it seems when the light hits a tip it starts to grow longer, when the center stem is pinched it slows the center momentarily while signaling all the side branches that there is a possibility that they could become dominant so they all try to grow the tallest ... watched daily it can be fascinating ...


I lift the leaves for 4-6 hrs at a time ... if the lifted leaves look OK the next day then you can lift them again ... otherwise every couple days works to ... this briefly stops the center from growing but if done gently it only stops the lifted portion for a few hours longer than the leaves were lifted for ...

Okay cool. when you say pinch, do you mean actually pinch the stem, like dent it? I still havent done any lst yet, only on the my little Northern Express. I just done a ponytail lst about an hour ago.
Im in two minds to do it to the rest. I think i may bend a few over in the next few days just to experiment and see if it actually yields more. Hope im not doing it too late,
I just feel that they are still to small to bend over, i dont want to break them. And i really like how they are looking. Obviously i wanna to try and get as much as possible out of them though. I might also ponytail a few more of them. My heads all over the place on what to do, haha.

Ive noticed a few of my leaves are starting to twist up, any idea what it could be? Also i have one random leaf going yellow?

Heres an update at 21 days.

 

[Puddentane]

Just my take on things but they are never too young to bend over. Just ask Jerry Lee Lewis (Baaaaaa ha ha hah ahhhhhhhh!!!) But really. I bent mine over very early and kept her over and she will try to throw a new top.

I bent that top the opposite direction and as each subsequent bend caused others to try to become the new leader I simply bent them over as well. I built a radial circle of shoots that were allowed to have a slight rising angle from the point of origin, but were held tight until they cleared the side of the can. The result? 20-30 or more bud points in a 4 inch zone of the top of the canopy. All the nutrients and hormones that are produced get stretched evenly throughout the canopy. No main Cola, simple 25 hand grenades if done right. Or maybe more if the lighting and fert regimen does not hold them back. Check the current grow i have running as it is the GSC that was planted later. She is going to really put out.

I like a girl scout that puts out. Shame on me my daughters are girl scouts... Still, it makes for a good joke.

As for the random leaves. I would not worry too much about such things provided they do not become a trend. Its just a hiccup, or a bump in the road if you will. Could be a calcium deficiency in a particular zone of the soil that the root system was plowing through when the leaf was manufactured. If the trend continues check back and I am sure everyone will get you covered in short order.

Puddentane

 

[Puddentane]

Oh, and your question about pinching.

Pinching is where you remove a part of the shoot completely. it is referred to as pinching because oltimers working in the fields would deftly reach down and give a gently twist and pinch with their finger nails to remove a soft piece of tissue. this encourages the bud tissue just below the pinch to form and gives more shoots. If you choose to do this I suggest you use a pair of sharp scissors. make the cut just far enough above the junction of a pair of leaves to ensure that the bud tissue in the leaf axle's will develop. I myself would rather just tie her down like crazy and let the plant use the extra foliage to continue to develop strength. Here's a quick snapshot of two plants I have running at present. the first was simply tied down a couple of times in the beginning and then allowed to run.

The second has been heavily trained. You can see the difference in the number of bud sites that have begun to form.

Hope this helps. There will be one of those guys that grows monsters along presently to fine tune this for you. grow on.

 

[mlorE]

Just my take on things but they are never too young to bend over. Just ask Jerry Lee Lewis (Baaaaaa ha ha hah ahhhhhhhh!!!) But really. I bent mine over very early and kept her over and she will try to throw a new top.
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I bent that top the opposite direction and as each subsequent bend caused others to try to become the new leader I simply bent them over as well. I built a radial circle of shoots that were allowed to have a slight rising angle from the point of origin, but were held tight until they cleared the side of the can. The result? 20-30 or more bud points in a 4 inch zone of the top of the canopy. All the nutrients and hormones that are produced get stretched evenly throughout the canopy. No main Cola, simple 25 hand grenades if done right. Or maybe more if the lighting and fert regimen does not hold them back. Check the current grow i have running as it is the GSC that was planted later. She is going to really put out.

I like a girl scout that puts out. Shame on me my daughters are girl scouts... Still, it makes for a good joke.

As for the random leaves. I would not worry too much about such things provided they do not become a trend. Its just a hiccup, or a bump in the road if you will. Could be a calcium deficiency in a particular zone of the soil that the root system was plowing through when the leaf was manufactured. If the trend continues check back and I am sure everyone will get you covered in short order.

Puddentane

Just had a look at your diary, plants look lovely man and your GSC looks like its gonna be packing some weight in the coming future. Yummy.
Hhhmm think im gonna do some lst on my little NE then, see how that one goes. Hopefully get it looking like your GSC . Definately gonna bend one or two of the other girls over. The reason im holding back is because ive never done any form of lst before and a bit worried im gonna fuck something up, or make the girls come out a complete mess, haha.
I was also thinking that if i only lst a few, some are gonna be taller than the others and the light will be different distances from them, but i suppose that dosent matter to much.
Cool, ill just keep an eye on them for the moment and hopefully it doesnt progress.
Thanks bro

 

[mlorE]

Just saw your post about pinching, thanks man, didnt see it coz i was typing this.
Not to sure if il do that though. Maybe in a future grow.
Plants looking niiicceee man

 

[Chester]

When I pinch I pinch to bruise/weaken the stem not to remove anything ... I see about one of your plants w/ enough branching to LST / open up and in the photo it looked a little early still ... my last few grows I've become less aggressive w/ LST ... I've had good results but there is always the possibility that more LST could have produced more ...

This is my current grow @ 30 days ... Each has had the main stem pinched 3 times ... No other LST to date ... as you can see the slight bruising/bending of the main stem can have a dramatic effect on the shape of the plant ... I may open it up w/ wires for LST soon ... I try to let the plant get a little height before I 'break it's spirit' ... by creating a bush a plant that would normally grow 4-5' tall will stay under 3' w/ many fat colas ... most LEDs will penetrate to the bottom of a 3' plant.

 

[mlorE]

When I pinch I pinch to bruise/weaken the stem not to remove anything ... I see about one of your plants w/ enough branching to LST / open up and in the photo it looked a little early still ... my last few grows I've become less aggressive w/ LST ... I've had good results but there is always the possibility that more LST could have produced more ...

This is my current grow @ 30 days ... Each has had the main stem pinched 3 times ... No other LST to date ... as you can see the slight bruising/bending of the main stem can have a dramatic effect on the shape of the plant ... I may open it up w/ wires for LST soon ... I try to let the plant get a little height before I 'break it's spirit' ... by creating a bush a plant that would normally grow 4-5' tall will stay under 3' w/ many fat colas ... most LEDs will penetrate to the bottom of a 3' plant.

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Just about to go and check on them now. Might be time for a little bending, or other lst. they will deffinately need a feeding.
I do like that idea of bruising the stem a little bit. Yours look wicked! Does this not stunt the growth at all? Dont look like yours have been stunted.
I have 2 600 HPS. Will two 600 watt hps be able to penetrate through to the bottom? I would have thought so?
I think the progress is going really well to be honest. Most of them showed sex on the 2nd week. They seem to be getting bigger by the day. Bought some pipe cleaners and twine today too.
I had a look last night, and one of my bulbs had blown. The light was on very dim and something was rattling away inside. I was very suprised as the bulbs are fairly new. Luckily i have a spare old bulb.

Thank you for all your help

 

[mlorE]

Shit! Totally forgot i done ponytail lst on my little NE. Just had a look and the top leaves had fallen to the side. took the ponytail out and all my top leaves look fucked. It was tied up for like 12 hours! Hope she will be okay!
Just bent a PE over and ponytailed another GSC. Gonna check the ponytail in 4 hours this time though. take it off then do it again tomorrow. Gonna do a few more lst techniques on the rest that i think will benefit.
A few of my GSC have their side branches the same height as the middle shoot without any LST, so i think im gonna leave them two until the top looks like its outgrowing the rest.
Il post some pics once im done and you can let me know if all looks well