Photoperiod Growing Landraces! First up: Lao Sa!

[tobe]

Between my curiosity about landrace and wild Cannabis, and the disgusting treads in seed thievery... err... pricing, I've decided that my main growing efforts are going to be put in landrace cultivars. Any new autos I may grow will be very selective.
I almost puked today when I saw autos seeds being promoted on Leafly, $500 for a ten pack!!!! P.T. Barnum was right, there's a sucker born every minute! ok, rant over ( for now lol! )

I ordered some seeds from www.therealseedcompany.com I ordered:

Mazar i Sharif

Afghan 90

and Lao Sa
They gave my 12 Kumaoni and 5 Afghan Mix as freebies! I've been itching to grow some Vietnamese landrace Sativa but the are almost impossible to find. And from my reading 80% of Vietnamese weed was really from Laos. So I went with the Lao Sa

( Lao Sa is their drug cultivar, Lao Bahn is their fiber cultivar ).
Here is what TRSC says about Lao strains:


Description

Genetics: Traditional Lao – Thai Ganja Domesticate (“Landrace”)
Sourcing: The Real Seed Company, Laos, Southeast Asia, Winter 2019
Purpose: Ganja (seedless or lightly seeded buds)
Latitude: 18° N
Regional Harvest: Seed to harvest 6 months.
Height: 2 – 4 metres
Characteristics: Musky, spicy, strong citrus; Sativa-type architecture
Classification: C. sativa subsp. indica var. indica
Grow Type: Greenhouse or outdoors

A Lao ganja domesticate direct from the highlands of Central Laos.

An indoor grower describes the high of his crop:

‘Makes you forget you exist. A complete exodus from the grips of The Matrix. Weed for space cases that need their space. 100% cerebral deep space exploration, no anxiety or paranaoia, but a heavy duty experience that keeps you wanting more. For me this is what I really look for medicinally in a true “Sativa” variety. Naturally turning purple with no cold weather or temperatures influencing.’

This strain was collected in the highlands of Bolikhamsai Province. Large-scale commercial cultivation has migrated to this region due to crackdowns on cultivation along the Mekong in lowland Laos and neighboring Isan, Northeast Thailand. These are the two historic centres of the ganja aficionados in the West know as ‘Thai’ or ‘Thai Stick’. Both regions are predominantly ethnically Lao.

Typical Lao and Thai ganja landraces take six months from seed to harvest. Farmers in mainland Southeast Asia employ two main cycles, namely sowing in June to July and harvesting in Dec to January, or sowing in August to September and harvesting in February to March.

This accession was obtained from Lao farmers in Bolikhamsai who cultivate for the Thai market. The seeds are from this season’s earliest harvested plants, which were taken down at the end of October.

Aromas are musky, spicy, and strongly citrus.


To this day, I've never had a high like the Vietnamese weed my best friend brought back from Nam. It was smokable LSd.... and lasted 6+ hours! Nothing ever compared to it excet some hash I had once!
And from reading, it may well have been Lao Sa that we smoked.

So yes, I'm a crazy man to try and grow this strain in a grow tent but I don't care if I only get and ounce form 5 plants! I simply want the experience of the finest weed on earth! I'll be putting seeds to soak shortly!

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Hey pop22 my good old friend
I found your thread , nice selection. I have grow the Afghan Helmand and Aunt of farouk (Pakistan) nice indica landraces. There are some interesting stuff to find in them. The Papua new guinea sativa was so great . I get some seeds from Turkish landrace i gave them to a friend for repro. I got the seeds from my friend he collected them at the boarder to Syria at military zone he got access to. He grew up there so he knows the right spots.

I wish you much fun , happy growing bro
cu tobe

 

[pop22]

Hey pop22 my good old friend
I found your thread , nice selection. I have grow the Afghan Helmand and Aunt of farouk (Pakistan) nice indica landraces. There are some interesting stuff to find in them. The Papua new guinea sativa was so great . I get some seeds from Turkish landrace i gave them to a friend for repro. I got the seeds from my friend he collected them at the boarder to Syria at military zone he got access to. He grew up there so he knows the right spots.

I wish you much fun , happy growing bro
cu tobe

Hey Tobe! I just came across some Orange Assault ( F3 I think ) you gifted me! I need to find a space to grow some!

 

[tobe]

Hey Tobe! I just came across some Orange Assault ( F3 I think ) you gifted me! I need to find a space to grow some!

Hey my friend
Ohh cool i am at f7 with my Orange Assault and the f8 are on their way. Tag me if you start to grow them bro

 

[DCLXVI]

Les,
This is incredible. What a neat project. I will be watching intently.

 

[pop22]

Hey my friend
Ohh cool i am at f7 with my Orange Assault and the f8 are on their way. Tag me if you start to grow them bro

I will for sure!

 

[hecno]

I sure am on board for this one . going to be very interesting pop22

 

[jdm61]

I know exactly what you're looking for Les! I really haven't grown a pure sativa or even close to one yet.
There was something about certain strains back then, that you just don't get from today's strains, even with their higher THC content.
I remember very strong visualizations and the ease of kicking back to some music and relaxing while I semi-dream travel. I really don't attribute it to a young mind and new experiences. It just didn't happen with all strains.
Yeah, I'm interested in how you're gonna manage these strains in a tent!

Back in the late 70's, you could just get some of that "cartoon weed' randomly . Same dealer, supposedly same stuff, nut not the same I was in Florida and Georgia at the time, so I wonder if the whacky weed was the Jamaican stuff? After about 77, most of the Columbian was just bale pot gold stuff . No more red.

 

[jdm61]

A number of years back, I hear from one guy that a lot of the weed in Nam was good but not great. The problem was that sometimes you would get the stuff like we are talking about and it would just paralyze you. Not something that you would want to smoke before going out on patrol. This guy assumed that stuff was Thai, but it could have been Lao or something like the legendary Vietnamese black.

 

[Waira]

Papa pop, you are in for a journey! At another private forum I'm at, I get to see all kinds of landrace/heirloom varieties, many full-on Sativa travelers in particular. These are literally world wide represented, along with all the olde classics from Asia, central and South America...

If you've not checked out ACE, do so just for the info and window shopping if nothing else-

One thing I see often from experienced equatorial type Sati growers is during bloom, they lower the light cycle down to around 10hrs to get better faster blooming. Keep in mind how little diurnal change there is in such Lat's, it's 12/12 give or take all year, so a bit of extra reduction in light hours below 12 proves helpful and prevents balky bitchy flowering, lessens reveg' twitches and hermi' expressions generally speaking...
Do keep VERY watchful eye on the latter, many are notorious for intersex expression, often kicked off or magnified by any stress or light fuckery!

You know to expect very open, fluffy bud structure as either a high% probability or outright guaranteed, right?
They as a group are not easy grows, feeding will be a learning curve and figure on the light side...
Many are like bamboo, long boned and willowy, stretch will be formidable at all times. Safely figure 3-4x after bloom starts no matter what veg time you give. I'm not sure how mature/old they need to be before bloom will initiate even after switching light cycles. Best source of info is the company/breeder for specifics, email them if you need to...
I'll see if I can glean some tips elsewhere too from other growers...

The potency and effects are a mystery to this day so far as I can see! Certainly it's the terp's and cannabinoids (rarer ones in particular), but there are other x-factors in their chemistry, I'd wager....not about THC% either, very likely this stuff will be low-mid teens? Odd ones do show, World of Seeds claims their Wild Thai/KoChang landrace tested in the 20% when grown very well, outside I'd bet... Wild Thai Ryder auto can show some killer pheno's!

...pheno' gambles are in play big time too, which is why some recall fantastic stuff and others lousy, especially in those days! ACE and some other breeders do work their lines enough to improve the odds, and lessen hermi-expression potential too...

Aunty @Mossy grew Kumaoni a while back... Too Sati' in effect for her, I think even hubby got tweaky on it? ... It does have some CBD I think....

 

[pop22]

Papa pop, you are in for a journey! At another private forum I'm at, I get to see all kinds of landrace/heirloom varieties, many full-on Sativa travelers in particular. These are literally world wide represented, along with all the olde classics from Asia, central and South America...

If you've not checked out ACE, do so just for the info and window shopping if nothing else-

One thing I see often from experienced equatorial type Sati growers is during bloom, they lower the light cycle down to around 10hrs to get better faster blooming. Keep in mind how little diurnal change there is in such Lat's, it's 12/12 give or take all year, so a bit of extra reduction in light hours below 12 proves helpful and prevents balky bitchy flowering, lessens reveg' twitches and hermi' expressions generally speaking...
Do keep VERY watchful eye on the latter, many are notorious for intersex expression, often kicked off or magnified by any stress or light fuckery!

You know to expect very open, fluffy bud structure as either a high% probability or outright guaranteed, right?
They as a group are not easy grows, feeding will be a learning curve and figure on the light side...
Many are like bamboo, long boned and willowy, stretch will be formidable at all times. Safely figure 3-4x after bloom starts no matter what veg time you give. I'm not sure how mature/old they need to be before bloom will initiate even after switching light cycles. Best source of info is the company/breeder for specifics, email them if you need to...
I'll see if I can glean some tips elsewhere too from other growers...

The potency and effects are a mystery to this day so far as I can see! Certainly it's the terp's and cannabinoids (rarer ones in particular), but there are other x-factors in their chemistry, I'd wager....not about THC% either, very likely this stuff will be low-mid teens? Odd ones do show, World of Seeds claims their Wild Thai/KoChang landrace tested in the 20% when grown very well, outside I'd bet... Wild Thai Ryder auto can show some killer pheno's!

...pheno' gambles are in play big time too, which is why some recall fantastic stuff and others lousy, especially in those days! ACE and some other breeders do work their lines enough to improve the odds, and lessen hermi-expression potential too...

Aunty @Mossy grew Kumaoni a while back... Too Sati' in effect for her, I think even hubby got tweaky on it? ... It does have some CBD I think....

Thank you! All such information is welcome! Yes, I know a bit about them from reading, I know I'm in for a challenge. And challenge is just what I need right now to keep my mind sharp. This gettig old shit is for the birds lol!