Grow Mediums Grow in COCO?

[dbossmanfl]

Great thread guys!

I'll drop my feelings in here as I've been using canna coco for a while and done a fair bit of research ^_^

Personally I water coco the same way I would water soil, with about 20% run off and then wait until the pots feel light (but before the leaves droop) before I water again. I water in the range of 5.7 up to 6.3 in flowering. EC never below 0.8 because it ruins the buffers in Canna coco. (So no plain water flushing)

I've read that a drip feed 3 times a day would potentially make for a more robust and higher yielding plant, but it's not for me.

So I guess there's some good flexibility with coco, and to be honest would recommend anyone give it a go!

yea iam about to give it a grow in 3 gallon pots using foxfarm grow big and tiger bloom and cal mag.. probably add some bud candy... under 400 watt hps light. cant wait

 

[dbossmanfl]

ok so the conclusion is you have to ph coco before planting with a flush to clean...also you could water everyday 3 times a day if possible if wanted too its a great medium and practically impossible to mess up..... now what are some not so nutrients to use i was thinking fox farm regular 3 part grow big ,tiger bloom with cal mg... it this correct fellas

 

[leone]

i use a mix of coco and soil amend with some perlite it does need a little more attention in the watering section
but if i keep it moist the plants are happy , i use RO water and GH nutes when it needs it in flowering
have gotten some shit over the year for this but my plants respond well to this so what the fuck

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i use a mix of coco and soil amend with some perlite it does need a little more attention in the watering section
but if i keep it moist the plants are happy , i use RO water and GH nutes when it needs it in flowering
have gotten some shit over the year for this but my plants respond well to this so what the fuck

 

[blue]

ok so the conclusion is you have to ph coco before planting with a flush to clean...also you could water everyday 3 times a day if possible if wanted too its a great medium and practically impossible to mess up..... now what are some not so nutrients to use i was thinking fox farm regular 3 part grow big ,tiger bloom with cal mg... it this correct fellas

Oops, worry for the late reply

That's not quite right bossman If you get buffered coco (like canna coco professional plus) you would definately not want to flush it or ph it. It's great from the bag.
Just pop in your seed and water with your normal 5.7-.6.2 PH adjusted water (closer to 5.7 in seedling stage)

If you can measure the strength of your feed it would be really good! You should water buffered coco with a minimum of 0.8EC (less that that i.e just plain water will mess up the buffers (according to canna))

As far as nutes go - if you've got access to Canna - I would go for the line up.

At least Coco A&B

But personally my line up is, [all Canna] Rhizotonic, CocoA&B, Cannazyme, Boost
I grow with LED so i have a CalMag supplement made by [Bloom]
I tried Canna PK 13/14 but didn't like the confusion of it all - so instead use dutch pro Explode for flowering.

You could just use CocoA&B all the way through - but i would advice picking up Rhizotonic for the start up to mid flowering. and Boost to use from the onset of flowering. That should be quite easy to manage.

Hope this helps a little!
All the best
Blue

 

[T.T.Tarzan]

Oops, worry for the late reply

That's not quite right bossman If you get buffered coco (like canna coco professional plus) you would definately not want to flush it or ph it. It's great from the bag.
Just pop in your seed and water with your normal 5.7-.6.2 PH adjusted water (closer to 5.7 in seedling stage)

If you can measure the strength of your feed it would be really good! You should water buffered coco with a minimum of 0.8EC (less that that i.e just plain water will mess up the buffers (according to canna))

As far as nutes go - if you've got access to Canna - I would go for the line up.

At least Coco A&B

But personally my line up is, [all Canna] Rhizotonic, CocoA&B, Cannazyme, Boost
I grow with LED so i have a CalMag supplement made by [Bloom]
I tried Canna PK 13/14 but didn't like the confusion of it all - so instead use dutch pro Explode for flowering.

You could just use CocoA&B all the way through - but i would advice picking up Rhizotonic for the start up to mid flowering. and Boost to use from the onset of flowering. That should be quite easy to manage.

Hope this helps a little!
All the best
Blue

Hey blue, can I pick your brains for a minute? When you say anything less than 0.8 e.c will mess up the buffers, what exactly do you mean? Iv only done a few grows and all in coco but Iv always started and finished each grow with plain water. Each grow has been OK (but can always be better) and Iv noticed a distinct lack of smell with some plants after Iv harvested, during the grow they were smelling pukka though. Could the issue be that I'm using plain water at the end?

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Oops, worry for the late reply

That's not quite right bossman If you get buffered coco (like canna coco professional plus) you would definately not want to flush it or ph it. It's great from the bag.
Just pop in your seed and water with your normal 5.7-.6.2 PH adjusted water (closer to 5.7 in seedling stage)

If you can measure the strength of your feed it would be really good! You should water buffered coco with a minimum of 0.8EC (less that that i.e just plain water will mess up the buffers (according to canna))

As far as nutes go - if you've got access to Canna - I would go for the line up.

At least Coco A&B

But personally my line up is, [all Canna] Rhizotonic, CocoA&B, Cannazyme, Boost
I grow with LED so i have a CalMag supplement made by [Bloom]
I tried Canna PK 13/14 but didn't like the confusion of it all - so instead use dutch pro Explode for flowering.

You could just use CocoA&B all the way through - but i would advice picking up Rhizotonic for the start up to mid flowering. and Boost to use from the onset of flowering. That should be quite easy to manage.

Hope this helps a little!
All the best
Blue

Hey blue, can I pick your brains for a minute? When you say anything less than 0.8 e.c will mess up the buffers, what exactly do you mean? Iv only done a few grows and all in coco but Iv always started and finished each grow with plain water. Each grow has been OK (but can always be better) and Iv noticed a distinct lack of smell with some plants after Iv harvested, during the grow they were smelling pukka though. Could the issue be that I'm using plain water at the end?

 

[blue]

Hi Tarzan!

Wish i could give you a scientific answer - but i cant. I follow the rules laid out by canna. I've been trying to find you the exact phrase in one of their info papers (when you join the canna club) but could not find it.

The buffers in my mind, make sure the feed is taken up if you water in the "kinda" right range (canna say 5.2 -6.2 ... i say 5.6-6.2 (i know, what am i like...abiding one rule and breaking another!!^_^)

Here's the science (from google) that i don't understand or have the time to wrap my brain around

Buffer solutions are solutions which resist change in hydronium ion and the hydroxide ion concentration (and consequent pH) upon addition of small amounts of acid or base, or upon dilution. Buffer solutions consist of a weak acid and its conjugate base (more common) or a weak base and its conjugate acid (less common). The resistive action is the result of the equilibrium between the weak acid (HA) and its conjugate base (A−):

HA(aq) + H2O(l) ⇌ H3O+(aq) + A−(aq)

Any alkali added to the solution is consumed by hydronium ions. These ions are mostly regenerated as the equilibrium moves to the right and some of the acid dissociates into hydronium ions and the conjugate base. If a strong acid is added, the conjugate base is protonated, and the pH is almost entirely restored. This is an example of Le Chatelier's principle and the common ion effect. This contrasts with solutions of strong acids or strong bases, where any additional strong acid or base can greatly change the pH.

When writing about buffer systems they can be represented as salt of conjugate base/acid, or base/salt of conjugate acid. It should be noted that here buffer solutions are presented in terms of the Brønsted-Lowry notion of acids and bases, as opposed to the Lewis acid-base theory (see acid-base reaction theories). Omitted here are buffer solutions prepared with solvents other than water.

Applications

Their resistance to changes in pH makes buffer solutions very useful for chemical manufacturing and essential for many biochemical processes. The ideal buffer for a particular pH has a pKa equal to the pH desired, since a solution of this buffer would contain equal amounts of acid and base and be in the middle of the range of buffering capacity.

Buffer solutions are necessary to keep the right pH for enzymes in many organisms to work. Many enzymes work only under very precise conditions; if the pH strays too far out of the margin, the enzymes slow or stop working and can denature, thus permanently disabling its catalytic activity. A buffer of carbonic acid (H2CO3) and bicarbonate (HCO3−) is present in blood plasma, to maintain a pH between 7.35 and 7.45.

Industrially, buffer solutions are used in fermentation processes and in setting the correct conditions for dyes used in colouring fabrics. They are also used in chemical analysis and calibration of pH meters.

Here's some more buffer madness

http://chemcollective.org/activities/tutorials/buffers/buffers3

 

[T.T.Tarzan]

Wow. That was some serious science my brain just took in.

Thanks for the info Blue, I'm gonna try and wrap my brain around it properly a bit later :Sharing One:

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Just tried to rep you but gotta spread it around a bit first

 

[dbossmanfl]

Hey blue, can I pick your brains for a minute? When you say anything less than 0.8 e.c will mess up the buffers, what exactly do you mean? Iv only done a few grows and all in coco but Iv always started and finished each grow with plain water. Each grow has been OK (but can always be better) and Iv noticed a distinct lack of smell with some plants after Iv harvested, during the grow they were smelling pukka though. Could the issue be that I'm using plain water at the end?

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Hey blue, can I pick your brains for a minute? When you say anything less than 0.8 e.c will mess up the buffers, what exactly do you mean? Iv only done a few grows and all in coco but Iv always started and finished each grow with plain water. Each grow has been OK (but can always be better) and Iv noticed a distinct lack of smell with some plants after Iv harvested, during the grow they were smelling pukka though. Could the issue be that I'm using plain water at the end?

hey iam running foxfarm and cal mg plus bud candy in coco so far no probs is that ok to run in coco.... just a question..... also besides canna coco its to expensive for me what is a few good nutrients to run in coco thanks in adance fellas....

 

[blue]

Hi Bossman

hey iam running foxfarm and cal mg plus bud candy in coco so far no probs is that ok to run in coco.... just a question.....

I've never tried mate, I've manily stuck to the canna range with the exception of bloom boosters.

Let us know how it goes in your journal and if successful, pop up some pictures and your feedling schedule. I'm sure others would like to save a bit on nutes if it all works out for you!

All the best
Blue ^_^

 

[dbossmanfl]

ok will do its going good so far still bout to induce flower in another week....