Mephisto Genetics First run LOS, featuring Ripley's, Fugue, and Creme Stomper

[Organic Sinse]

Last winter I changed my soil mix around quite drastically and wanted to have a bench mark as to what I really had or didn't have in an un-amended mix. I used homemade leafmold with nothing added except a touch of rockdust. For aeration I used bark nuggets. The seedstarter was just compost and rice hulls. That's it, no amendments. I loaded about 8 gallons worth in a 10 gal. I grew out a Dinafem Blue Critical in this pot. Here is what she looked like at 42 days. She is a light green (no nutes all the way to this day).

No nutes 42 days

• Organic Sinse
• Mar 23, 2019

I had another girl with 1/4 normal nutes in the soil mix toward the front of the next photo, also a week younger. She is normal green, the girl behind her is the one from the pic above (no nutes)

Color comparison

• Organic Sinse
• Mar 23, 2019

Even this faded, with a little alfalfa tea, and a weak fish hyrdolystate 2-3-1, I was able to get her all greened up and still get a good harvest. She ended up looking like this, and she was about 40" tall.

Done 90 days

• Organic Sinse
• Mar 23, 2019

I could have gotten nicer buds with nutrients, but the point I'm trying to show, is that it wasn't really that far off par starting with nothing. Adding about 4 ingredients at 1/4 cup each in the soil mix, put things up to optimum in her sister comparison plant. You can also see how its easy to come back from being a little deficient, its not so easy if ya overdo and burn something.
Anybody that ever wondered what happens if ya don't use any nutes at all, there ya go.
cheers
os

 

[Organic Sinse]

I haven’t used Epsom salts but would think no as it may kill worms and don’t think you’ll need as you shouldn’t have a mag problem and if you did have magnesium issue it would be handled another way, how, I don’t know - would have to research, Sensi knows for sure ....

Bark good but watch Karanja and neem without baking soil so may wanna pit outa reach of roots for starts ... also important, wanted to say before but plant on a mound so as to allow for compost / mulch .... roots will grow into the compost / mulch as you add more on top, important to leave room at top for multiple mulches and composts and Gro-Kashi dressings, I’ve done about five-six top dressings this grow but I rarely ever do full per directions, if they call for a cup, I do a 1/4 cup 4 times .....

I also believe in constant watering with LOS, you DO NOT want your soil to dry and have cycles, not good for the worms .... I rarely visit the tent that I don’t water by at least spraying down the mulch ..... Thus far in this grow between four plants I’ve got UNDER 1 cup of runoff ..... bottoms of the pots are damp to kinda dry and I water small amounts often to keep them there .... I water thru the mulch with a sprayer and every now and then I use a cup and toss a couple partial cups into the pot ..... My plants are normality praying so, I figure why not give them a little more water but not too much, just enough to keep worms happy and soil around the 100-120 millibar range per the meter I have in one of my pots .... I usually just spray the mulch and give a quart or so every so often feeling the sides of the pot and bottom for dampness ....

@Organic Sinse has his method of top dressing mulching and I have mine ... So I’ll explain myself, Sensi same and you learn and figure your own, you have plenty of experience .....

Right after transplant I top dress with gokashi about 1/2 cup, some compost / worm castings from bin or Malibu Compost or Oily Fish Compost and mulch with shredded straw with active mycelium .... I then toss some seeds into the mulch and spray mist mulch with water with EM1 ..... I want the breakdown process to start right away even if soil is loaded, I also want food for the worms as the worms will be the ones carrying their castings down to the roots ...... in Organics you feed the soil and let the plant decide what it wants and if all in balance, plant always makes right choice ....

Foliar Sprays such as seed sprouts and gokashi will be your little growth hormone shots ....

Thrive.n .... I spray feed my plants at 1/2 to 3/4 strength every 7-12 days, underside of leaves and light on top - since I run 24/7 each plant came out of tent for spray job and sat in front of fan until dry .... Contrary to most beliefs I also sprayed Thrive.m 15.0.0 when they were in flower, a couple times with the last about 8-9 days ago ..... I will also add to water at minimal amounts every so often .....

Still 4 weeks away with my first LOS taste and buds but got some LOS from my Street guy couple times, always more dough and always a treat, great tasting and I’m sure I didn’t get his prime but couple times I was able it was for sure above average Bear!

Good luck!

I have always wondered about gro kashi. I know about Bokashi composting, and happen to have a couple different types of Lacto B brewing as we speak. What exactly is gro kashi? I have seen it at the feed store.
cheers
os

 

[MrOldBoy]

I have always wondered about gro kashi. I know about Bokashi composting, and happen to have a couple different types of Lacto B brewing as we speak. What exactly is gro kashi? I have seen it at the feed store.
cheers
os

This probably explain better than me ..... http://gro-kashi.com/ .... u can buy direct cheapest from them or pay more thru the jungle guys or buildasoil or KIS

I got idea from a living soil grower and he showed how to top dress and what supplements to use such as mammoth p and a few others ....... and then I saw a second video on buildasoil so I opted to follow the LOS Grower methods with my twists of course ..... buildasoil is where I a lot my amendments I can’t get local.

Best,
OB

 

[MrOldBoy]

Last winter I changed my soil mix around quite drastically and wanted to have a bench mark as to what I really had or didn't have in an un-amended mix. I used homemade leafmold with nothing added except a touch of rockdust. For aeration I used bark nuggets. The seedstarter was just compost and rice hulls. That's it, no amendments. I loaded about 8 gallons worth in a 10 gal. I grew out a Dinafem Blue Critical in this pot. Here is what she looked like at 42 days. She is a light green (no nutes all the way to this day).

No nutes 42 days

• Organic Sinse
• Mar 23, 2019

I had another girl with 1/4 normal nutes in the soil mix toward the front of the next photo, also a week younger. She is normal green, the girl behind her is the one from the pic above (no nutes)

Color comparison

• Organic Sinse
• Mar 23, 2019

Even this faded, with a little alfalfa tea, and a weak fish hyrdolystate 2-3-1, I was able to get her all greened up and still get a good harvest. She ended up looking like this, and she was about 40" tall.

Done 90 days

• Organic Sinse
• Mar 23, 2019

I could have gotten nicer buds with nutrients, but the point I'm trying to show, is that it wasn't really that far off par starting with nothing. Adding about 4 ingredients at 1/4 cup each in the soil mix, put things up to optimum in her sister comparison plant. You can also see how its easy to come back from being a little deficient, its not so easy if ya overdo and burn something.
Anybody that ever wondered what happens if ya don't use any nutes at all, there ya go.
cheers
os

Leaf mold was key in that mix .... Leafs are a very valuable compost material, loaded with trace minerals and there was enough other goodies in the mold to carry partway thru .....

Point is well made, marijuana is a weed and it grows like a weed ..... most times we overdo and it is not necessary as you just proved .....

Remember the two things that kill most plants:

1. Water
2. Fertilizer

Peace,
OB

Sensi, I think you have to agree, if using just compost and minimal dry supplements and limited additives in the water, it’s hard to over fertilize, now your just down to one thing, too much or little water ....

Said it before and I’ll say it again, just imagine yourself that 11 year old kid taking care of some worms in a container with a flower growing in your container .... feed the worms and I betchya the flower will thrive not just survive!

 

[slowandeasy]

Good Luck @Roasty McToasty! My man is ditching the small pots for LOS. I have mad respect for those of you do this successfully. It is a lot of work, dedication, patience, planning, and an art to do well. Love me some Organics buds, but the yields have suffered for me in the past. Some of the LOS growers are getting some nice yields, and I assume the quality is excellent. I will be following of course, it is a Roasty thread. Peace, slow

 

[MrOldBoy]

Good Luck @Roasty McToasty! My man is ditching the small pots for LOS. I have mad respect for those of you do this successfully. It is a lot of work, dedication, patience, planning, and an art to do well. Love me some Organics buds, but the yields have suffered for me in the past. Some of the LOS growers are getting some nice yields, and I assume the quality is excellent. I will be following of course, it is a Roasty thread. Peace, slow

Yield from hydro grows can be phenomenal but I also seen good yields, upwards of 1.75 grams a watt from LOS Grows .... Quality / Taste I suspect “grows” to the LOS Side, I let ya know in about six weeks!

 

[slowandeasy]

Yield from hydro grows can be phenomenal but I also seen good yields, upwards of 1.75 grams a watt from LOS Grows .... Quality / Taste I suspect “grows” to the LOS Side, I let ya know in about six weeks!

I get great yields in Coco, but I struggled with Organics yield wise. However, it was not really done right from the get go. You guys know your stuff on Organic growing. I tip my hat to you. I won't switch, but love watching you guys and learning your technique. Peace, slow

 

[MrOldBoy]

I get great yields in Coco, but I struggled with Organics yield wise. However, it was not really done right from the get go. You guys know your stuff on Organic growing. I tip my hat to you. I won't switch, but love watching you guys and learning your technique. Peace, slow

Hydro blows my mind, how the flip you can tell this or that is beyond me ....

I respect those who have hydro figured and those who understand the wants and needs of a plant .... that’s a heck of a lot more than I understand .....

I just focus on the worm, hands down worms are the World’s Best Gardeners - The worms eat everything I put in that container.

Peace!

 

[slowandeasy]

Hydro blows my mind, how the flip you can tell this or that is beyond me ....

I respect those who have hydro figured and those who understand the wants and needs of a plant .... that’s a heck of a lot more than I understand .....

I just focus on the worm, hands down worms are the World’s Best Gardeners - The worms eat everything I put in that container.

Peace!

It is amazing they do that work and dont eat the roots.

 

[Roasty McToasty]

I haven’t used Epsom salts but would think no as it may kill worms and don’t think you’ll need as you shouldn’t have a mag problem and if you did have magnesium issue it would be handled another way, how, I don’t know - would have to research, Sensi knows for sure ....

Bark good but watch Karanja and neem without baking soil so may wanna pit outa reach of roots for starts ... also important, wanted to say before but plant on a mound so as to allow for compost / mulch .... roots will grow into the compost / mulch as you add more on top, important to leave room at top for multiple mulches and composts and Gro-Kashi dressings, I’ve done about five-six top dressings this grow but I rarely ever do full per directions, if they call for a cup, I do a 1/4 cup 4 times .....

I also believe in constant watering with LOS, you DO NOT want your soil to dry and have cycles, not good for the worms .... I rarely visit the tent that I don’t water by at least spraying down the mulch ..... Thus far in this grow between four plants I’ve got UNDER 1 cup of runoff ..... bottoms of the pots are damp to kinda dry and I water small amounts often to keep them there .... I water thru the mulch with a sprayer and every now and then I use a cup and toss a couple partial cups into the pot ..... My plants are normality praying so, I figure why not give them a little more water but not too much, just enough to keep worms happy and soil around the 100-120 millibar range per the meter I have in one of my pots .... I usually just spray the mulch and give a quart or so every so often feeling the sides of the pot and bottom for dampness ....

@Organic Sinse has his method of top dressing mulching and I have mine ... So I’ll explain myself, Sensi same and you learn and figure your own, you have plenty of experience .....

Right after transplant I top dress with gokashi about 1/2 cup, some compost / worm castings from bin or Malibu Compost or Oily Fish Compost and mulch with shredded straw with active mycelium .... I then toss some seeds into the mulch and spray mist mulch with water with EM1 ..... I want the breakdown process to start right away even if soil is loaded, I also want food for the worms as the worms will be the ones carrying their castings down to the roots ...... in Organics you feed the soil and let the plant decide what it wants and if all in balance, plant always makes right choice ....

Foliar Sprays such as seed sprouts and gokashi will be your little growth hormone shots ....

Thrive.n .... I spray feed my plants at 1/2 to 3/4 strength every 7-12 days, underside of leaves and light on top - since I run 24/7 each plant came out of tent for spray job and sat in front of fan until dry .... Contrary to most beliefs I also sprayed Thrive.m 15.0.0 when they were in flower, a couple times with the last about 8-9 days ago ..... I will also add to water at minimal amounts every so often .....

Still 4 weeks away with my first LOS taste and buds but got some LOS from my Street guy couple times, always more dough and always a treat, great tasting and I’m sure I didn’t get his prime but couple times I was able it was for sure above average Bear!

Good luck!

Really nice post OB, real nice tips on the watering.

When I remix the soil, I will deffo leave more room for mulching. Will probably have a 4th pot by the time I'm done. I also made another batch of soil 15-20 gallons that I will cook in the bin, mixing every 4-5 days for at least a month.
So the karanja is hot? Maybe just mix a little near the bottom of the pots? Maybe I'll just skip it on these pots. It's mixed into the batch that's cooking, so that should be fine. Will it be ok to use in with top dressing later on? I guess karanja will amplify the bug repelling of neem cake, not sure what else it does.

Will be real nice to not have to visit the street guy, I'm sure yours will be better than his, and it's already paid for.

Last winter I changed my soil mix around quite drastically and wanted to have a bench mark as to what I really had or didn't have in an un-amended mix. I used homemade leafmold with nothing added except a touch of rockdust. For aeration I used bark nuggets. The seedstarter was just compost and rice hulls. That's it, no amendments. I loaded about 8 gallons worth in a 10 gal. I grew out a Dinafem Blue Critical in this pot. Here is what she looked like at 42 days. She is a light green (no nutes all the way to this day).

No nutes 42 days

• Organic Sinse
• Mar 23, 2019

I had another girl with 1/4 normal nutes in the soil mix toward the front of the next photo, also a week younger. She is normal green, the girl behind her is the one from the pic above (no nutes)

Color comparison

• Organic Sinse
• Mar 23, 2019

Even this faded, with a little alfalfa tea, and a weak fish hyrdolystate 2-3-1, I was able to get her all greened up and still get a good harvest. She ended up looking like this, and she was about 40" tall.

Done 90 days

• Organic Sinse
• Mar 23, 2019

I could have gotten nicer buds with nutrients, but the point I'm trying to show, is that it wasn't really that far off par starting with nothing. Adding about 4 ingredients at 1/4 cup each in the soil mix, put things up to optimum in her sister comparison plant. You can also see how its easy to come back from being a little deficient, its not so easy if ya overdo and burn something.
Anybody that ever wondered what happens if ya don't use any nutes at all, there ya go.
cheers
os

That is an awesome experiment OS!!! I have always said, "better to under feed than over feed". Plants have no problem pulling in more, too much and they usually never recover. Surprised at how nice she turned out, considering. Point has been taken, nice job.

Leaf mold was key in that mix .... Leafs are a very valuable compost material, loaded with trace minerals and there was enough other goodies in the mold to carry partway thru .....

Point is well made, marijuana is a weed and it grows like a weed ..... most times we overdo and it is not necessary as you just proved .....

Remember the two things that kill most plants:

1. Water
2. Fertilizer

Peace,
OB

Sensi, I think you have to agree, if using just compost and minimal dry supplements and limited additives in the water, it’s hard to over fertilize, now your just down to one thing, too much or little water ....

Said it before and I’ll say it again, just imagine yourself that 11 year old kid taking care of some worms in a container with a flower growing in your container .... feed the worms and I betchya the flower will thrive not just survive!

I plan to go minimal in this first go, don't really care about yield, I just want the best smoke I've ever had. Although I do hope to smash the yield I been getting with organics done the wrong way.

Happy worms = happy plants

Good Luck @Roasty McToasty! My man is ditching the small pots for LOS. I have mad respect for those of you do this successfully. It is a lot of work, dedication, patience, planning, and an art to do well. Love me some Organics buds, but the yields have suffered for me in the past. Some of the LOS growers are getting some nice yields, and I assume the quality is excellent. I will be following of course, it is a Roasty thread. Peace, slow

Thanks for stopping by slow!!!
My past organic grows have been done very wrong, feeding the plants and not even considering the soil. They always would seem to be lacking something right about flower time. Then I'd be trying to force feed the plant what I think it wants. Hasn't work out real good. Just harvested an organic CLDC that got me all of 1 oz. by the looks of it, smallest yield ever for me. Gorgeous plant and buds though. I do notice a bump in terps and quality with organic grows, even done the wrong way. But I'm hoping that LOS takes it to another level in the taste department.

Yield from hydro grows can be phenomenal but I also seen good yields, upwards of 1.75 grams a watt from LOS Grows .... Quality / Taste I suspect “grows” to the LOS Side, I let ya know in about six weeks!

Shit I'd be ecstatic to hit those numbers. From experience I can say, organics always win the taste test. Hydro always wins the yield.

I get great yields in Coco, but I struggled with Organics yield wise. However, it was not really done right from the get go. You guys know your stuff on Organic growing. I tip my hat to you. I won't switch, but love watching you guys and learning your technique. Peace, slow

I was the same way till I saw what OS and OB were pulling off, I'd be real happy if I can get their results. You got one hell of a system going slow, don't fix it if it ain't broke.

Hydro blows my mind, how the flip you can tell this or that is beyond me ....

I respect those who have hydro figured and those who understand the wants and needs of a plant .... that’s a heck of a lot more than I understand .....

I just focus on the worm, hands down worms are the World’s Best Gardeners - The worms eat everything I put in that container.

Peace!

Honestly OB, I find hydro to be easier to manage. Then again I been doing organics all wrong, every time till now. Hydro you just mix up nutes and pour them in, after a ph check. Then watch for defs/toxs and try to adjust. I have finally got the hydro dialed in for the most part, at least this tester run is going pretty good. Last run I over did the pk boost, and they never recovered. Less is more even on the hydro side of things.