Mephisto Genetics First run LOS, featuring Ripley's, Fugue, and Creme Stomper

[Organic Sinse]

I'm going to throw an unsolicited tip right away. You have a nice big mass of fairly new well amended soil. You will find nutrients that will continue to breakdown and become available throughout most, if not this whole grow. Be real conservative when doing anything more than just watering the first round with these. At least until flower. Try to watch and read the plants. LITFA is the key with well made soil mixes. LITFA= leave it the fuck alone, when in doubt. Less is more, more often than not.
No one wants to be the guy that has to say, "everything was just fine, and then I thought they might be needing this XXXX, so I added xxxx, and now they are sick".
Think more about low impact foliars, less about adding anything to regular waterings.
cheers
os

 

[MrOldBoy]

Thanks for coming along folks! Hope to not disappoint. I have already had a travesty, Ripley made it to sprout and died. Mainly because, just after pics, I dropped all 3 of these kids from 3 feet up. Kind of surprised the other two made it. Had to rethink where to keep them. Pics happened yesterday, and they all looked ok then, but today Ripley's was shriveling up. New Ripley's bean soaking.

Left to right: Creme Stomper, Fugue, Ripley's

Here is a shot of their homes once they can handle it, in a couple weeks. 7G fabric pots filled with 5-6 gallons of soil. Been cooking 3 weeks and planted a cover crop. Worms have been working the pots the whole time. I will probably mix all the pots into a tote and add a good amount of rice hulls to assist in drainage. Then rebuild and plant seedlings into them. Lots of inputs in this soil, the plants should want for nothing first run or two.

Would also like to thank @MrOldBoy and @Organic Sinse for helping me thus far. Really appreciate that.

You are most welcome Roasty .....

Great idea on Rice Hulls, that will aid drainage ..... Pests .... You can add Insect Frass to your mix, especially down into the pot and away from the fresh transplant and you can top dress with some as well ..... The neem you added to the soil will be beneficial too ..... I was just watching YouTube about a Brix Meter and guy said if plants are healthy and contain over 12% sugar, pests will not be an issue but don’t quote me on that but you can quote me .... Pests will attack the weak and sticky before the strong ..... be sure to leave plenty of room for top dressing and mulch ..... I’ll be watching your grow, best of luck!

Just took look at soil level in first pot, that level would be a little to high, you’ll be adding most food thru top dressings and mulch and as those breakdown add more ..... I simply top dress and mulch around cover crops, some end up covered, so you sprinkle few more seeds but it’s important to have mulch, keep it mulched .....

I do add EM1 and aloe, or coconut in flower, to some waterings along with mammoth P too, again in some waterings ..... I add Gro Kashi dry amendment along to my worm bin castings / compost for top dressings and remulch, I put each new top dressing right over the mulch .... I also use a controversial product callled Thrive.n - 15.0.0 - Fish Hrydr with amino acids and trace elements- it makes for thick stems and I can attest to that - I spray feed thrive.n and have added to the water .....

Hope post isn’t confusing - any questions just ask.

Best,
OB

 

[Roasty McToasty]

Spot on. Was thinking there might be aphids/mites/who knows what else in there. I knew the nematodes are only good for organics. Bti i guess is the shit for synthetics. Still have to pick some up but my last warday included feed with neem oil, dunks and bits tea bagged in the soup, soil topdressing of de and as far as a sighting standpoint has done wonders. Now only the occasional gnat instead of 20-30 taking flight whilst feeding....

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Hate them lil bastards, thing that's funny is the ones you see are harmless to the plants. It's the larva and pupa that you can't see munching away on your roots.

Glad to see ya got it going! It looks like your soil is growing just fine. The clover cover is a great way to 'assay' (fancy technical word for evaluate and test) your soil. I will be watching. Give a shout if ya need any tips or anything!
happy growing!
cheers
os

So glad you popped in OS! Your knowledge will be necessary I am sure. Fantastic work going on over at your thread.
Yeah the cover crop is looking very lush and healthy. Growing crazy fast, without much light. Will be worm food when I mix all those pot up again.

I'm going to throw an unsolicited tip right away. You have a nice big mass of fairly new well amended soil. You will find nutrients that will continue to breakdown and become available throughout most, if not this whole grow. Be real conservative when doing anything more than just watering the first round with these. At least until flower. Try to watch and read the plants. LITFA is the key with well made soil mixes. LITFA= leave it the fuck alone, when in doubt. Less is more, more often than not.
No one wants to be the guy that has to say, "everything was just fine, and then I thought they might be needing this XXXX, so I added xxxx, and now they are sick".
Think more about low impact foliars, less about adding anything to regular waterings.
cheers
os

Great tip as I tend to be "that guy"!

I was planning on this mix going the distance on the first plant, we shall see. I'll deffo be hitting you up if things go sideways, no shooting from the hip on this one.

You are most welcome Roasty .....

Great idea on Rice Hulls, that will aid drainage ..... Pests .... You can add Insect Frass to your mix, especially down into the pot and away from the fresh transplant and you can top dress with some as well ..... The neem you added to the soil will be beneficial too ..... I was just watching YouTube about a Brix Meter and guy said if plants are healthy and contain over 12% sugar, pests will not be an issue but don’t quote me on that but you can quote me .... Pests will attack the weak and sticky before the strong ..... be sure to leave plenty of room for top dressing and mulch ..... I’ll be watching your grow, best of luck!

Just took look at soil level in first pot, that level would be a little to high, you’ll be adding most food thru top dressings and mulch and as those breakdown add more ..... I simply top dress and mulch around cover crops, some end up covered, so you sprinkle few more seeds but it’s important to have mulch, keep it mulched .....

I do add EM1 and aloe, or coconut in flower, to some waterings along with mammoth P too, again in some waterings ..... I add Gro Kashi dry amendment along to my worm bin castings / compost for top dressings and remulch, I put each new top dressing right over the mulch .... I also use a controversial product callled Thrive.n - 15.0.0 - Fish Hrydr with amino acids and trace elements- it makes for thick stems and I can attest to that - I spray feed thrive.n and have added to the water .....

Hope post isn’t confusing - any questions just ask.

Best,
OB

Really glad your hear MOB! Great post right there, no confusion at all.
I already put frass in the mix, but I went small with it, so I'll put more in at mixing. It is supposed to be a great mag source, and my gals usually always want more.
Also got some neem ninja, which is 50% neem cake meal, 50% karanja seed meal,
will add in as well. Then I've also acquired some really nice finer ground bark mulch that might go in if you and OS are cool with it.
Oh and got some gypsum to toss in too.
Probably going to fill a 4th pot by the time I'm done.

Got a long ways to go before top dressings are necessary, but I can't argue with what you got happening over there. It's working well, I already have most of those things but for grokashi and that particular fish hydrosolate.

Couple questions, are Epsom salts ever allowed, or is this not good?

Should I add the bark to the mix?

Thanks again everyone!

 

[davisgirl]

Subbed.

 

[Organic Sinse]

Hate them lil bastards, thing that's funny is the ones you see are harmless to the plants. It's the larva and pupa that you can't see munching away on your roots.


So glad you popped in OS! Your knowledge will be necessary I am sure. Fantastic work going on over at your thread.
Yeah the cover crop is looking very lush and healthy. Growing crazy fast, without much light. Will be worm food when I mix all those pot up again.



Great tip as I tend to be "that guy"!

I was planning on this mix going the distance on the first plant, we shall see. I'll deffo be hitting you up if things go sideways, no shooting from the hip on this one.



Really glad your hear MOB! Great post right there, no confusion at all.
I already put frass in the mix, but I went small with it, so I'll put more in at mixing. It is supposed to be a great mag source, and my gals usually always want more.
Also got some neem ninja, which is 50% neem cake meal, 50% karanja seed meal,
will add in as well. Then I've also acquired some really nice finer ground bark mulch that might go in if you and OS are cool with it.
Oh and got some gypsum to toss in too.
Probably going to fill a 4th pot by the time I'm done.

Got a long ways to go before top dressings are necessary, but I can't argue with what you got happening over there. It's working well, I already have most of those things but for grokashi and that particular fish hydrosolate.

Couple questions, are Epsom salts ever allowed, or is this not good?

Should I add the bark to the mix?

Thanks again everyone!

I would definitely add some bark. 5-10% is a good place to start. Long term food, aeration, and some larger soil particles down the road. All wins.
In my circles, Epsom salt is only used as a foliar, and then only IF you NEED magnesium. I have never needed it ever. Don't use it as a soil drench, unless you have a really good reason, and a very specific goal.

cheers
os

 

[Organic Sinse]

Roasty
Nothing against MOB's grow, and please forgive me MOB. Don't throw me out of the club, but using something like a 15-0-0 on new soil you have no practice growing in, is exactly the kind of thing I am warning to be careful of (MOB did say its controversial). There is most likely plenty of N in your mix. That 15-0-0 is available N, and will burn your plants, if added to a good soil mix. A strong fertilizer like that is designed to be used on poor quality store bought soil or poor, depleted garden soil, not the good stuff you have built. It might not do anything bad if really diluted, but I bet its not needed. Wait till the plants show signs before trying something. Then try something gentle and forgiving like an alfalfa tea or kelp alfalfa tea. Alfalfa has low NPK, 2.5-.5-2.5, kelp is about 1-0.2-2. It just doesn't take as much nutrients, as the synthetic crowd would lead you to believe, and usually the nutrients are there, just not in the right form at that moment.
cheers
os

 

[Roasty McToasty]

Subbed.

Really glad to have you here DG!

We don't grow the same way but...

we both have killing a Ripley's in common.

I would definitely add some bark. 5-10% is a good place to start. Long term food, aeration, and some larger soil particles down the road. All wins.
In my circles, Epsom salt is only used as a foliar, and then only IF you NEED magnesium. I have never needed it ever. Don't use it as a soil drench, unless you have a really good reason, and a very specific goal.

cheers
os

Thanks OS, this kind of stuff is priceless, and I appreciate the help.

So bark in, Epsoms out, got it. Glad to hear that you don't get mag defs, I have been force feeding the stuff in one form or another for years.

 

[Roasty McToasty]

Roasty
Nothing against MOB's grow, and please forgive me MOB. Don't throw me out of the club, but using something like a 15-0-0 on new soil you have no practice growing in, is exactly the kind of thing I am warning to be careful of (MOB did say its controversial). There is most likely plenty of N in your mix. That 15-0-0 is available N, and will burn your plants, if added to a good soil mix. A strong fertilizer like that is designed to be used on poor quality store bought soil or poor, depleted garden soil, not the good stuff you have built. It might not do anything bad if really diluted, but I bet its not needed. Wait till the plants show signs before trying something. Then try something gentle and forgiving like an alfalfa tea or kelp alfalfa tea. Alfalfa has low NPK, 2.5-.5-2.5, kelp is about 1-0.2-2. It just doesn't take as much nutrients, as the synthetic crowd would lead you to believe, and usually the nutrients are there, just not in the right form at that moment.
cheers
os

Again, real nice post OS, very informative.


I think MOB is just sharing the tools he has in the toolbox. Can't argue with the results I'm seeing on his current grow. I don't plan on anything but RO water till I see a need for something. Which could be 2- 3 months or so.

 

[Organic Sinse]

Again, real nice post OS, very informative.


I think MOB is just sharing the tools he has in the toolbox. Can't argue with the results I'm seeing on his current grow. I don't plan on anything but RO water till I see a need for something. Which could be 2- 3 months or so.

Love MOB and his work. Just didn’t want ya jumping in before ya saw what ya really had. I just found a couple informative pics from an old grow. I will upload em and share them with ya guys.
Cheers
Os

 

[MrOldBoy]

Hate them lil bastards, thing that's funny is the ones you see are harmless to the plants. It's the larva and pupa that you can't see munching away on your roots.


So glad you popped in OS! Your knowledge will be necessary I am sure. Fantastic work going on over at your thread.
Yeah the cover crop is looking very lush and healthy. Growing crazy fast, without much light. Will be worm food when I mix all those pot up again.



Great tip as I tend to be "that guy"!

I was planning on this mix going the distance on the first plant, we shall see. I'll deffo be hitting you up if things go sideways, no shooting from the hip on this one.



Really glad your hear MOB! Great post right there, no confusion at all.
I already put frass in the mix, but I went small with it, so I'll put more in at mixing. It is supposed to be a great mag source, and my gals usually always want more.
Also got some neem ninja, which is 50% neem cake meal, 50% karanja seed meal,
will add in as well. Then I've also acquired some really nice finer ground bark mulch that might go in if you and OS are cool with it.
Oh and got some gypsum to toss in too.
Probably going to fill a 4th pot by the time I'm done.

Got a long ways to go before top dressings are necessary, but I can't argue with what you got happening over there. It's working well, I already have most of those things but for grokashi and that particular fish hydrosolate.

Couple questions, are Epsom salts ever allowed, or is this not good?

Should I add the bark to the mix?

Thanks again everyone!

I haven’t used Epsom salts but would think no as it may kill worms and don’t think you’ll need as you shouldn’t have a mag problem and if you did have magnesium issue it would be handled another way, how, I don’t know - would have to research, Sensi knows for sure ....

Bark good but watch Karanja and neem without baking soil so may wanna pit outa reach of roots for starts ... also important, wanted to say before but plant on a mound so as to allow for compost / mulch .... roots will grow into the compost / mulch as you add more on top, important to leave room at top for multiple mulches and composts and Gro-Kashi dressings, I’ve done about five-six top dressings this grow but I rarely ever do full per directions, if they call for a cup, I do a 1/4 cup 4 times .....

I also believe in constant watering with LOS, you DO NOT want your soil to dry and have cycles, not good for the worms .... I rarely visit the tent that I don’t water by at least spraying down the mulch ..... Thus far in this grow between four plants I’ve got UNDER 1 cup of runoff ..... bottoms of the pots are damp to kinda dry and I water small amounts often to keep them there .... I water thru the mulch with a sprayer and every now and then I use a cup and toss a couple partial cups into the pot ..... My plants are normality praying so, I figure why not give them a little more water but not too much, just enough to keep worms happy and soil around the 100-120 millibar range per the meter I have in one of my pots .... I usually just spray the mulch and give a quart or so every so often feeling the sides of the pot and bottom for dampness ....

@Organic Sinse has his method of top dressing mulching and I have mine ... So I’ll explain myself, Sensi same and you learn and figure your own, you have plenty of experience .....

Right after transplant I top dress with gokashi about 1/2 cup, some compost / worm castings from bin or Malibu Compost or Oily Fish Compost and mulch with shredded straw with active mycelium .... I then toss some seeds into the mulch and spray mist mulch with water with EM1 ..... I want the breakdown process to start right away even if soil is loaded, I also want food for the worms as the worms will be the ones carrying their castings down to the roots ...... in Organics you feed the soil and let the plant decide what it wants and if all in balance, plant always makes right choice ....

Foliar Sprays such as seed sprouts and gokashi will be your little growth hormone shots ....

Thrive.n .... I spray feed my plants at 1/2 to 3/4 strength every 7-12 days, underside of leaves and light on top - since I run 24/7 each plant came out of tent for spray job and sat in front of fan until dry .... Contrary to most beliefs I also sprayed Thrive.m 15.0.0 when they were in flower, a couple times with the last about 8-9 days ago ..... I will also add to water at minimal amounts every so often .....

Still 4 weeks away with my first LOS taste and buds but got some LOS from my Street guy couple times, always more dough and always a treat, great tasting and I’m sure I didn’t get his prime but couple times I was able it was for sure above average Bear!

Good luck!