Grow Mediums First Grow - Hydro/DWC Training SCROG w/ Bagseed Photos

[TxOld Dude]

UPDATE 12/10/13

Step 3
Well, it's a start. Two have finally cracked their shells and have been plugged into the perlite. Baby pix coming when they start to show their heads.

Step 2
I'll be getting the pipe and T's for the SCROG frame on Friday. I'll get the dimensions and pics up as I go along (AFTER a test fitting). That way if you like it, you can do one yourself. It's a bit over engineered, but that's how I like it. I've settled on 4x3x7 and that'll fit my DWC bucket or my 2-30L tubs perfectly.

Fish

 

[TxOld Dude]

UPDATE 12/13/13
EARLY AM
75F 25%
STEP 4: HERE WE GO!

DAY 2
THE SEARCH FOR MIZ DUBYA
(We're going Bushy!)

Well, one of the new kids is up, but after checking, one still has only it's "toe in the water". If no change by tonight, I'm going to perform helmet removal surgery. Already did that to child #1 and then "BOOM".



Not much else to report. I'll start on the SCROG frame this weekend, but have decided to hold off for a bit more in it's completion. I've decided to pull the trigger on a 48x48x79 tent and I'll fit the SCROG assembly/growing frame as a replacement for the frame that comes with the tent. That gives me more versatility in the long run and I can change out the frame dependent on what I'm doing at the time. Hell, by the time I've bought all the mylar or panda film, zippers or velcro, etc., I could've just bought the friggin' tent! Yup, it's a cheap one, but who cares. I need the outer cover mainly.

As I've said earlier, I won't be doing this very often until Texas gets it's collective head out of their butts and goes at least Med legal. in between times, I'll practice cloning tomatoes! ;o)

Fish

P.S. Many thanks to DWCocha for the unintended idea of the name for this plant! See the previous posts for that one! LOL!

 

[TxOld Dude]

UPDATE 12/13/13
EARLY PM
78F 27%
STEP 4: HERE WE GO!

DAY 2
THE SEARCH FOR MIZ DUBYA
(We're going Bushy!)

Surgery performed on contestant #2. It was NOT successful and the patient died on the table. So now only one is above ground. As these were the best 4 seeds in the lot, I'm going to wait and see what this one turns out to be. If it's male, I'll shit-can the whole thing, buy some Stone Dragons and rock the tubs instead.

I've seen various grow reports, but no one is consistent on reporting the heights of either pheno. Miz Mossy or any other Dragon growers; maybe you can help a Brother out with that.

The idea is to continue using the SCROG frame over 2x18L - 6 position tubs to allow me to fully separate the side branches out so as to get the maximum light penetration. Six positions on each tub might be a bit much in a 4x4 area. I haven't cut them yet as I didn't want to waste time and a growing cycle in experimentation (YET!).

From what I can see from the pics, some appear very short with tighter internodal spaces and longer side branches (black pheno?) while others appear taller and "slimmer" with longer mainstems and slightly wider internodals. The dark pheno appears to only be around 18-24 inches height at best (in some cases way smaller) while the light pheno appears taller on average.

Any thoughts?

Thanks! :tiphat:

Fish

 

[wwwillie]

Hey!
Glad to see some growth, sorry to hear about the one that didn't make it...
Looking forward to seeing them grow, and the scrog. The tent sounds good too.
Peace.

 

[TxOld Dude]

Thanks Willie! One's better than none!
and Thanks to Everyone Else for all your help getting me started! :tiphat:

It's been slow going getting started, trying to figure out what best to do first.The equipment outlay was pretty severe for my very limited budget. I want to do the best I can with what I have the first time. To be honest, this scares the shit out of me, though I know that'll chill eventually. I don't have the balls I had when I was in my twenties. "Here" ain't a cool place yet and I still got 2 kids in school (with their mom). That's why this has to be an infrequent thing, but without the meds I'm up the creek. The only people I know are 3.5 hours away, but transport is riskier than growing. Hell, it's a risk either way, but the risk with this is WAY less.

I envy most of you; those who are now allowed to do what you gotta do freely without repercussion. You know the more I read and find out what the gubment and the medical industry has known and how long they've known it REALLY burns my ass. My family has pretty screwed up genes. Alzheimer's from Dad's side, Lupus from Mom's, a nephew with leukemia (in remission) that was so bad the treatments left him nearly blind. Lost a stepfather last year to lung cancer. EVERY TIME I hear or read more about LEGAL CBD and what it can do just twists the hell out of me that the information has been suppressed this long. And people die because of it.

"My people perish for lack of knowledge..." - the Bible

Ok, enough soap box for now. I gotta go break something...

Fish

 

[StickMan]

Hey brother, sorry haven't stopped by for a while. Been busy building my new flowering room, Dr visits, and life.

I've decided to pull the trigger on a 48x48x79 tent and I'll fit the SCROG assembly/growing frame as a replacement for the frame that comes with the tent. That gives me more versatility in the long run and I can change out the frame dependent on what I'm doing at the time. Hell, by the time I've bought all the mylar or panda film, zippers or velcro, etc., I could've just bought the friggin' tent! Yup, it's a cheap one, but who cares. I need the outer cover mainly.

Dude, that is a great idea. That is the same size I first got last year, and I love it! I know that I will get plenty of years worth out of it.

Surgery performed on contestant #2. It was NOT successful and the patient died on the table. So now only one is above ground. As these were the best 4 seeds in the lot....

Man that is sad, but still cracked me up when I read how you described it.
Yea, that can be a tricky operation to perform at times. I have a couple of patients die during or shortly thereafter.
Worst seedling death I am guilty of thus far is, I dropped a sprouted seedling on the ground, it rolled far away, and I stepped on it while looking for the wayward patient. The really bad part of it was that it was a Karma Dragon.

I'm going to wait and see what this one turns out to be. If it's male, I'll shit-can the whole thing, buy some Stone Dragons and rock the tubs instead.

I've seen various grow reports, but no one is consistent on reporting the heights of either pheno. Miz Mossy or any other Dragon growers; maybe you can help a Brother out with that.

I don't know if you have gotten a solid answer yet, but if not hit brother Stone up himself, he is very friendly and helpful.

 

[TxOld Dude]

Man that is sad, but still cracked me up when I read how you described it.
Yea, that can be a tricky operation to perform at times. I have a couple of patients die during or shortly thereafter.
Worst seedling death I am guilty of thus far is, I dropped a sprouted seedling on the ground, it rolled far away, and I stepped on it while looking for the wayward patient. The really bad part of it was that it was a Karma Dragon.

Thank you Brother Stick! Man, starting to sound like the "Benevolent Brotherhood and Sisterhood of the Cannabis Autoflower Growers Society For the Infirm, Decrepit, and Defunct".
"Ha ha ha ha ha.."

Yeah, I went ahead and dumped the rest into the soaker to see if I had any players left. Only 5 seeds left, so I figured What the hell...

:crap: YOU STEPPED ON A DRAGON?!?!? OMG!! BLASPHEMY!!! SACRILEGE!! What would Auntie think?!?!? "Grrr"

I don't know if you have gotten a solid answer yet, but if not hit brother Stone up himself, he is very friendly and helpful.

I will do that! I need to know some "reasonable" size expectations under good conditions, but from the pix I've seen, they're all over the map! Short and skimpy skinny one-footers to two foot tall and wide chunky bitches! I have 2 tubs and 6 - 3" net pots per tub, but I may change to 2 - 6" per tub instead.

Re: the tent
I have exactly 60x49 inches to play with. I was going to get the cheap Aviditi 48x48x79 but Amazon ran out. So, I bought the Lighthouse 48x48x84 instead. Hey, ya get what ya pay for, so I sprung for the way better choice. As you'll see in the drawing it just barely fits. i love that all the ports are on the sides and I have just enough room to run the ducting.



Fish

 

[TxOld Dude]

UPDATE 12/15/13
EARLY PM
76 DEG 27%

DAY 4
THE SEARCH FOR MIZ DUBYA
(We're going Bushy!)

Added just the smallest amount of nuted water to Miz Dubya as I'm using perlite and not soil. Checked the res that's been bubbling since Thanksgiving and found it smelled like DIRT. Mind you, it does not have anything growing in it YET. I pulled the net pot and found (for all you old Houstonians out there*) SLIME IN THE (no, not the ice machine*) RES! Wasn't sure if this was beginning calcium deposition from the hard water or actual funk, so I dumped it, bleached it, and reloaded. Haven't put the nutes in but I "Zoned" it on the heavy side. I REALLY don't like these grow rocks and am debating on switching to the hydroton instead.

*NOTE: Back in the day in Houston, there was a guy on channel 13 news named Marvin Zindler who did a restaurant "roach and rat report". The kind of guy who had a light blue leisure suit and colored shades to match. His favorite epithet was to loudly state that he had found "SLIME IN THE ICE MACHINE!!!". Funny as hell!
Marvin was a legend in Texas as he was THE ONE who shut down the Chicken Ranch whorehouse back in the day. Remember the movie "Best Little Whorehouse In Texas" or the ZZ Top song "La Grange"? There ya go!

Marvin Zindlers R&R report
Slime in the Ice Machine - YouTube

 

[wwwillie]

Hey Tx! I hear you on the expense, Ouch! I look at it as an investment that takes a bit of the sting out of it. BTW I had my eyes on that same tent until I measured my ceiling! Oh well, got a shorter one from HTG. I may be infirm and or decrepit, but when my wife mentions de fucnt, I take de shower!
Maybe someday they will see the light and allow at least medical in Tx. If it wasn't for the medical in my state I would not be doing what I am doing that's for sure.
Speaking of medical I saw you mentioned Stone Dragon. I have my eyes on that one, seems like just what I am looking for. Want to get some grows under my belt first. I have visions of making RSO with it to use for myself.
Peace.

 

[TxOld Dude]

World Wide Willie!! Nice grow you got goin' my man!

Actually, it was better than I thought but more than I wanted (to spend). I needed 48x48x? cuz I couldn't find a 48x36 and a x24 was too small. The cheaper Adiviti was $98 at Amazon and the Lighthouse was $139. All the ones in between were from one company and their reviews were horrible, so I went with the big dog. I had always liked the layout, just didn't want to shell out the dough.

I may be infirm and or decrepit, but when my wife mentions de fucnt, I take de shower!

LOL! Last time my ex said I was defunct, I gave her 2 daughters to prove otherwise!

Yep, I'm goin for the Stone Dragons after this bag-beans gig. The SCROG is going straight to oil with a little bud in the box to tide me over. I'm a smoker, so I like my one-hitter. I also use an e-cig and I plan on making some "flavored stealth e-bud" with vegetable glycerine and e-cig flavor concentrates. Hee hee!! You won't even smell it over the flavoring!!

I've heard people say that autos were harder because of the time limit; less room for error. It's all about "process". People want to jump in with both feet, kinda like a kid who's never been behind the steering wheel and they're all over the place. Take it low and slow, do your homework, and I bet you'll do better than most. SHEESH! Look at Jorilla Ganjamoto! HOLY SHIIT! But he didn't go in half-assed on equipment. He got good gear, did his diligence and the results speak for themselves.Dude! Look at what you got going now!

Awesome stuff, man!

I'm wondering why that one is still showing yellowing and tip burn. but, then again, last batch I burnt, the leaves that turned didn't seem to recover much afterward, even though all the new growth was perfect, so I pruned them. When you did your pH test, how much water did you put through? If you didn't run at least a gallon of each through, it's not actually buffering, it's balancing. For instance, run a half gallon into the pot of 7.5. It gets mixed with what was there already and the pH of the runoff comes down. Then run 4.5 and it offsets the 7.5 creating 6.0, etc.. If you had run enough 7.5 through you would have 7.5 (or somewhere thereabouts) coming out eventually. Fully flood at the proper if not slightly lower pH, then let it get near completely dry, then go again. As the plant uses nutes the pH goes up. Considering how calcium hungry these things are, you would think the pH would go down, not up. Go Figure!

Fish