Indoor FFOF & Happy Frog Seedling Comparison Grow
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Hey Agito! Thank you!! I'm happy to have ya Mate! 
Those are actually the Feminized Burmese Kush Photos that I got free from Herbie's. They were planted on the 11th. Going to veg them for a month or so then go 12/12. They have their own thread... They are veggin' with the Autos until I go 12/12 with them... Thanks for your interest Mate!
Those are actually the Feminized Burmese Kush Photos that I got free from Herbie's. They were planted on the 11th. Going to veg them for a month or so then go 12/12. They have their own thread... They are veggin' with the Autos until I go 12/12 with them... Thanks for your interest Mate!
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The results I've gotten putting seedlings in HF does not match WVR's when it comes to male/fem but, I have always gotten over 50% fem. I have tried almost every variation I've seen used on this site except Pro-Mix BX (because I couldn't get it when I was experimenting).
The growth rate results in the critical first three weeks is noticeably better than anything else I tried. If I start in a cup, they average 7" wide at sex... In a full sized container, 8" to 9" wide at sex.
I agree with Joe on the ratios! I need to come back down to earth a bit LOL I know these results are not to be expected EVERY single time... However, Again to agree with Sir Dirte as far as I would expect (in my set up and growing environment) at LEAST 50% females... At least. If I didn't get that I would be wondering what's up... Ocean Forest is good... and I did have great germ rates with it as well but the difference between the two is incredibly noticebale.
With that being said I HAVE to also report that the ADDED Myco that I use has a huge hand in my ratios and performance. Since using the Myco there are somethings I must report. The stems on every single seedling that were started with the Myco are incredibly strong... I used to have to keep a fan on my seedlings, not only for good air circulation, but for a non stressful way to strengthen the stem early on... Give a "wind" effect as if they were growing naturally outside. Now my fan is just for air circulation. I have noticed and as soon as I get our camera back I will take pictures of their stem and even the stems of the photos I have that are a few weeks old for reference.
This is my Myco regimen...
1) When they germinate and have a good decent tail I sprinkle some myco in the plug they are going into. About a pinch... Then place the germinated seed in the plug. Then take another pinch of Myco and sprinkle on top. Cover well and water lightly. This is crucial because they Myco will not activate until water hits it. It is an Inoculant.
2) Water seedlings as usual. I typically water very little and lightly everyday until they are above ground. Then I just usually go by the feel of the dirt. It's important to keep the seedlings moist but not over watered because you need to keep the roots searching for water/moisture. That is very important and makes sense to me because if you water properly your plant will thrive... If you over water the plant becomes stunted -- that's just in plain soil -- with added nutes in the soil you risk nute burn and more stunting.
3) If you transplant or tier when you get to the point of doing it -- I prep my bag with the soil and sprinkle a bunch of Myco across the area... Blanket the area with it and water it to activate, place the tiered or transplant in, cover and water it.
4) For the remainder of life I use 1/2 teaspoon of Myco powder in my nute mix or in plain pH'd water (depends on where it falls in my feeding schedule) ONCE a week until the last 2-3 weeks of harvest. Basically cut out the Myco Powder completely for last 2-3 weeks -- depends on when you're harvesting, at what day/week. Make it fit your schedule.
5) Use every time you transplant or tier. If you do this more than once in a grow. I don't, some do so that's why I suggest it. Anytime you give this to your roots they will love it.
It is also an important note that Molasses feeds on Myco. So when you get to the point of using Molasses or any additive that contains it, you will notice the difference in growth immediately. This even shows my my photos that I'm growing. THIS MYCO IS MADNESS!! LOL Now I know why Humboldt Nutrients calls it that!
Really any Myco product should do. I've heard great things about Great White but it's WAAAY more expensive than the HN one I use. That combined with the experience I'm having with it there's no point in fixing a good thing right when I'm on the verge of "Cruise Control" grows. So I'm sure any Myco product will do as long as it contains a fair amount of Myco. However, I do highly recommend the ones that have added Trichoderma and Beneficial Bacteria. Nice little boost.
Again the AA has me yappin' away... So now that I have bored you all to death! LOL I'll close this out. Hope you all are enjoying your weekend! It's cold and rainy here. Fall is here...
With that being said I HAVE to also report that the ADDED Myco that I use has a huge hand in my ratios and performance. Since using the Myco there are somethings I must report. The stems on every single seedling that were started with the Myco are incredibly strong... I used to have to keep a fan on my seedlings, not only for good air circulation, but for a non stressful way to strengthen the stem early on... Give a "wind" effect as if they were growing naturally outside. Now my fan is just for air circulation. I have noticed and as soon as I get our camera back I will take pictures of their stem and even the stems of the photos I have that are a few weeks old for reference.
This is my Myco regimen...
1) When they germinate and have a good decent tail I sprinkle some myco in the plug they are going into. About a pinch... Then place the germinated seed in the plug. Then take another pinch of Myco and sprinkle on top. Cover well and water lightly. This is crucial because they Myco will not activate until water hits it. It is an Inoculant.
2) Water seedlings as usual. I typically water very little and lightly everyday until they are above ground. Then I just usually go by the feel of the dirt. It's important to keep the seedlings moist but not over watered because you need to keep the roots searching for water/moisture. That is very important and makes sense to me because if you water properly your plant will thrive... If you over water the plant becomes stunted -- that's just in plain soil -- with added nutes in the soil you risk nute burn and more stunting.
3) If you transplant or tier when you get to the point of doing it -- I prep my bag with the soil and sprinkle a bunch of Myco across the area... Blanket the area with it and water it to activate, place the tiered or transplant in, cover and water it.
4) For the remainder of life I use 1/2 teaspoon of Myco powder in my nute mix or in plain pH'd water (depends on where it falls in my feeding schedule) ONCE a week until the last 2-3 weeks of harvest. Basically cut out the Myco Powder completely for last 2-3 weeks -- depends on when you're harvesting, at what day/week. Make it fit your schedule.
5) Use every time you transplant or tier. If you do this more than once in a grow. I don't, some do so that's why I suggest it. Anytime you give this to your roots they will love it.
It is also an important note that Molasses feeds on Myco. So when you get to the point of using Molasses or any additive that contains it, you will notice the difference in growth immediately. This even shows my my photos that I'm growing. THIS MYCO IS MADNESS!! LOL Now I know why Humboldt Nutrients calls it that!
Really any Myco product should do. I've heard great things about Great White but it's WAAAY more expensive than the HN one I use. That combined with the experience I'm having with it there's no point in fixing a good thing right when I'm on the verge of "Cruise Control" grows. So I'm sure any Myco product will do as long as it contains a fair amount of Myco. However, I do highly recommend the ones that have added Trichoderma and Beneficial Bacteria. Nice little boost.
Again the AA has me yappin' away... So now that I have bored you all to death! LOL I'll close this out. Hope you all are enjoying your weekend! It's cold and rainy here. Fall is here...
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Nice details West i swear i have been taking evrything youve said about the humboldt nute line and my plants look a 100x better Im getting airpots this week and when i do im picking up some myco too im excited. Did you ever use promix bx? The hydro store has light warrior happy frog and promix bx im not sure which to get since your having awesome result in HF Im medicated atm too so dnt mind if i sound a lil jibberish i was told its "Pinapple express" lol but my DD it was those types who tell you its brand name so you buy it lol.
That's awesome bro! I'm VERY happy I've help you out! That is the entire purpose of this comparison. I stayed away from LW because it doesn't have anything in it as far as N-P-K. Autos do need a bit of N-P-K for a great start.
I haven't tried ProMix BX but I have heard nothing but GREAT things about it and I know a few of the Masters here use it. We drove 3 hours round trip yesterday for a bag of Happy Frog and a bag of Ocean Forest! That's how priceless this soil is to us! If they have the HF I'd recommend trying it for sure!
If LW and PMBX were the only two I had to choose from personally I'd go with the ProMix BX. Based on reviews and results from other growers on the forum.
That is the entire purpose of this comparison. I stayed away from LW because it doesn't have anything in it as far as N-P-K. Autos do need a bit of N-P-K for a great start. I haven't tried ProMix BX but I have heard nothing but GREAT things about it and I know a few of the Masters here use it. We drove 3 hours round trip yesterday for a bag of Happy Frog and a bag of Ocean Forest! That's how priceless this soil is to us! If they have the HF I'd recommend trying it for sure!
If LW and PMBX were the only two I had to choose from personally I'd go with the ProMix BX. Based on reviews and results from other growers on the forum.
Quick updates. I watered everyone with pH'd water tonight. Nothing added. I'm starting to get those rusty spots on two of the HBD's. Not all of them have it... I don't get it... I might not be feeding them enough?
I did some renovations to the grow closet. I wish I had my friggin' CAMERA!!! I hate not being able to show you guys the plants and adjustments... Anyway I mounted the T5's to the center of the side walls... This has helped tremendously. Freed up a lot of space. So between the 400W HPS above and 2 - 4' T5's pushing 5,000 Lumens a piece they are basking in 65,000 Lumens and plenty of space for light penetration. They aren't all crowded anymore and got plenty of room for the new babies when they are ready to go under the lights! Soon as I can I'll post pictures.
LORDY the HBD's are getting HUGE. One of my tallest is 18" already and just shy of a month old... Never seen growth like this but then again I've never grown the HBD's so that's probably why! Also the AA2 will probably be ready any day now. She's getting milky trichs and a small test nugg yielded 3 joints after drying so thick dense nuggs on the way again!! Woo Hoo! The AA3 is BUSHY as can be. The bushiest plant I've had yet! Got the AA4 all nice and tiered into a 1 gallon grow bag with more Happy Frog. Got my photos tiered as well. Tiered them into 1 gallon grow bags w/ OF. Detailed updates of them in the photo section of the forum!
The HBD's are topped off pretty much and now focusing on bud production! Things are heating up in the closet!! :hot:
I did some renovations to the grow closet. I wish I had my friggin' CAMERA!!! I hate not being able to show you guys the plants and adjustments... Anyway I mounted the T5's to the center of the side walls... This has helped tremendously. Freed up a lot of space. So between the 400W HPS above and 2 - 4' T5's pushing 5,000 Lumens a piece they are basking in 65,000 Lumens and plenty of space for light penetration. They aren't all crowded anymore and got plenty of room for the new babies when they are ready to go under the lights! Soon as I can I'll post pictures.
LORDY the HBD's are getting HUGE. One of my tallest is 18" already and just shy of a month old... Never seen growth like this but then again I've never grown the HBD's so that's probably why! Also the AA2 will probably be ready any day now. She's getting milky trichs and a small test nugg yielded 3 joints after drying so thick dense nuggs on the way again!! Woo Hoo! The AA3 is BUSHY as can be. The bushiest plant I've had yet! Got the AA4 all nice and tiered into a 1 gallon grow bag with more Happy Frog. Got my photos tiered as well. Tiered them into 1 gallon grow bags w/ OF. Detailed updates of them in the photo section of the forum!
The HBD's are topped off pretty much and now focusing on bud production! Things are heating up in the closet!! :hot:
Thanks Agito... I don't pH my water if that's what you mean. It comes out of my well at 6.8-7.0... Do you think my nutes are changing it? I didn't have this problem before using the HF so I just assumed because it has lower N-P-K than OF that I was using and didn't have this problem... So that's what lead me to think I wasn't feeding enough... What do you think man?
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