Indoor FFOF & Happy Frog Seedling Comparison Grow

[iLuvIndica]

your two 4 day old AAs are running right along with 2 RRFs i have going good luck im gonna compare growing rates with yours

 

[Joe Dirt]

Everything shows tiered transplanting is pretty much 100% stress free in photos and autos and it increases yield dramatically if done at the proper times (after a nice rootball is created) as the roots will make better use of each pot.

You might want to clue DIRT in to this little known fact... while you're at it maybe you ought to let Muddy, Mr MacGregor, Bailer, TBM, and some of the other expert growers around here who aren't aware that using the "tiered" method is superior to starting in the final pot when it comes to yield and size. FD's "tiered" method is a fine innovation in the proper setting. But, with auto's, I think you would find the vast majority of experienced, expert growers, would start in the final pot if the situation allows.

Every plant I've ever tiered transplanted has had a much much better root system than a plant put it's final pot at the start for me.

I guess there's always the exception to the rule... In this case, I guess you're it.

 

[Mossy]

I Think it one of those Individual things...

what suits your grow style..equipment....headroom.

FD gets Better bud density...and the same yield...on his Tiered girls..as I get on tall Auto..in my conditions

but I am outdoor..and I normally multi pot..

Best way to check is...grow one of each..side by side.......

we Love a Live Experiment......

 

[FullDuplex]

You might want to clue DIRT in to this little known fact... while you're at it maybe you ought to let Muddy, Mr MacGregor, Bailer, TBM, and some of the other expert growers around here who aren't aware that using the "tiered" method is superior to starting in the final pot when it comes to yield and size. FD's "tiered" method is a fine innovation in the proper setting. But, with auto's, I think you would find the vast majority of experienced, expert growers, would start in the final pot if the situation allows.

This is the case here as Wiz has said too, it was created for my environment and space at the time. I needed to maximize the area that i had and still have a decent plant in the end. I started off direct to soil in the 6 in pots and did ok. But i wanted more, so i started transplanting and it did better, but still had stunting issues. Then i gave the tired a try and it worked like a charm. But i think that there is more to it than just the tier. I have major focus in my soil and root development as well as my teas.

I have to agree with Joe dirt here it was a situational thing here, although i have never germed an auto in anything bigger than a 1gal since i have been growing them. I have a few 3 gals now and im tempted to see what would happen if i went direct to soil with them, and i have the room now for that as well. It would be a great live test to see what would happen.

also the BH phot i have running as well as my other photos are all direct to soil. No Tier.

this beast is in a 2 gal pot....

EDIT check the post count :booya:



1,420

 

[Joe Dirt]

Dang, FD! It looks like you tiered that one right into your slab! :thumbs:

But i think that there is more to it than just the tier. I have major focus in my soil and root development as well as my teas.

TY, FD, for bringing this thing back into focus. We can close all the doors, and stack all the cups we can get our hands on, and our plants are not going to do what yours do, unless we do what may be the most important thing you do... build a rich environment for the root system.

check the post count :booya:

Sometimes, the stars just line right up!

I just noticed the post count on the one I made. !! 1000 !! :dance:
I guess that's something anyone could do, but I never have before... not close.

 

[FullDuplex]

Dang, FD! It looks like you tiered that one right into your slab! :thumbs:

thanks JD i appreciate it :thumbs:

TY, FD, for bringing this thing back into focus. We can close all the doors, and stack all the cups we can get our hands on, and our plants are not going to do what yours do, unless we do what may be the most important thing you do... build a rich environment for the root system.

Any time, and I want to touch one one more thing as well. The increased yield that people will see in the tired system is because it allows the plant to actually get larger than what it would in a smaller container. Now im not sure how the reaction would be to a plant say tiered into a 3 gal. At this point i dont think that the raised rootball would make that big of a difference. Its all relevant to how large you let the roots go, the more room the larger the plant.

You are correct in the soil statement. It is the key, keep them healthy white and out of the light and they will do exactly what they need to do.

I just noticed the post count on the one I made. !! 1000 !! :dance:
I guess that's something anyone could do, but I never have before... not close.

very nice JD means that your helping spread the word :clap:

 

[Rebel]

Wow, I didn't expect to cause such a debate but all the information provided is incredibly helpful. I do have white walls in the closet. I understand everything else. That's why no one has the exact same results as someone else because EVERYONE grows differently. I don't expect to have results like FD and the others. It was just a question of "what can I do better this time." Since there's always room for growth.

Now, I know the general rule of thumb is the bigger the pot the bigger the plant. The 2 Snow Ryders I have right now flowering are different sizes and are in different sized pots. HOWEVER, the TALLER one is in the SMALLER pot. So, that's another reason why I have so many questions about things is because as soon as I'm given a standard I always find or see personally in my grow the exceptions. I know I can't base it around just ONE plant being the exception just causes confusion when you're a noob.

Look, I'm not expecting to just wake up one day on my second grow in my life and have 5 oz's off one plant. I know it takes work and tweaking what's best for ME in MY area. I'm trying to keep things as simple as possible, however that doesn't mean I can keep my mind from over analyzing things especially when I'm smoking this strong ass shit. lol Maybe I'm doing too much thinking out loud. I know I haven't been able to get "all my shit in one sock" so to speak with my grows yet. Since I have yet to have everything I need at one time TOGETHER when starting a grow.

At this point, with the KISS method... I'm just going to pick up some grow bags (probably 1 gal) and try the tiered method and straight to dirt method. I appreciate all your replies and information. This in not only extremely important info for me but all other growers as well. Thanks guys.

 

[Rebel]

your two 4 day old AAs are running right along with 2 RRFs i have going good luck im gonna compare growing rates with yours

Hey ILI, Thanks for following along and for your comparison. That helps me as well.

Would also like to report that I pulled another newly formed pollen sack off the very bottom of SR #2... This is the second pollen sack to come off this plant. I noticed they 2 have formed on the branches off the 1st n 2nd nodes so I hope they will stay in that area if they do come back. I carefully examine her every day sometimes 2 or 3 times so I'm hoping this will eventually quit or if it will be an ongoing problem I hope it's in a contained area.

NYLPD #1 has been transplanted at 2 weeks. I figured . I'll probably pay for it now in hindsight. I was aware that transplanting caused stress but I wasn't aware it does all the time... I've seen some plants show no changes like they didn't skip a beat so I didn't know this affects yield as well because of the stress. I think I need to go back to Autos 101 and brush up on the basics of Autos. Seems to me that there are things that I should know at this point and I don't. So I need to refresh.

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I have to agree with Joe dirt here it was a situational thing here, although i have never germed an auto in anything bigger than a 1gal since i have been growing them. I have a few 3 gals now and im tempted to see what would happen if i went direct to soil with them, and i have the room now for that as well. It would be a great live test to see what would happen.

also the BH phot i have running as well as my other photos are all direct to soil. No Tier.

this beast is in a 2 gal pot....

Just so I'm clear, that plant pictured IS tiered or not? I thought you meant you planted direct into a 2 gallon but apparently I'm wrong?

 

[killakill86]

can anyone else not see fd's pic?

 

[AndyBotwin]

can anyone else not see fd's pic?

Yep, I've never been able to see his pics on this computer. I have another PC and I can see them fine from that one. Same version of Windows and Firefox on both. Very odd.