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[Gonzo]

Gonzo bud! How are ya, mate? ..... You have the TaNg stamp of approval-- about as good as it gets! The water concerns, I'm not so sure about, given AN's buffering capacity,... unless it's brutally hard, and at 7.4, it likely isn't,.. got a ppm/EC reading anyway? If anything, I'd think using pure RO would be more problematic, unless AN nute's are recommended to be used with RO, which tells me they'll have the extra buffering minerals included in them to compensate for what missing in the RO,... otherwise, the performance difference could be chalked up to several other possibilities,... Ask good brother TaNg :thumbs:... maybe an little extra P-K spanking will turn the on again!! :BottomBeater: "Dancing Psiren"

Hello Waira, thank you for stoping by. I have never measured tap water EC, but water here has never made problems although it goes over 8 with ph in summer. 7,4 is quite low now. AN is prepared for RO as they say, so I have decided to grow with RO as recommended and tap water as seen here on AFN, to see and compare results. Two with RO seem to do a little better.

Generally all plants had grown very good, got developed in big green plants, just when it comes to flowering, there is nothing out of them.

I planned to finish this grow without any additives except calmag and test them next grow to compare later, but I do not believe basic AN is poor with P and K. And what I need is very basic growth, not boosting. With Hesi I had all kind of ph troubles but I used only basic nutrients and get 100-145g per TD in 60-70 days, never longer. I used additional P&K also but had tested some plants without it and got same results. So I expect AN basic nutrients to be able to support at least same results if not better.

Good brother Tang is encouraging me and thinks that everything is OK. Will see.

So comparison and expectations are the problem . How about a little sweetness from some molasses . Just a thought . :tiphat:

I am testing only basic nutrients without anything and I think they should support quite decent yield, much bigger that I am expecting now.

With Tangs Euphoria going to 100 days, maybe plants under HS1's aren't burning themselves out as quickly and finishing their lifecycle more leisurely? (Tangs also noticed less CalMag issues) What ever it is give it another 50 days and see where you end up? Could add an AN supplement like Big Bud and or Overdrive? Good luck and enjoy the grow it looks like it will still finish in a flourish.

If lights promote prolonged growth without additional weight it would be very bad, but I do not think lights cause that. 100 g in 60 days equals 150g in 90 days for me. I always correct weight for excessive time, so getting 100 g in 100 days does really not mean much to me. Disappoinment, nothing else.

As I have written before, I want to finish this grow with basic nutrients only and I think basic nutrients are quite powerfull if used properly.

 

[TaNg]

It was only the Euphoria that was slow and that was purley genetic the same as here, The BB Kush was standards as were the flowering times on the Mephisto girls.
TD is notorious for going 100 days +.

 

[dirtbag]

How about your temperatures??
Leds leave grow space a lot cooler and this can slow you down quite a bit??

Dunno- sure you have thought of that anyhows..

TD are pretty slow though.. Hopefully the wait will reward you in the end!!

 

[F.N.]

I noticed Gonzo you said your temp are nice at 24. You should be around 28 to 30 degrees with leds. They need the heat to uptake the nutrients bro

 

[Cunning]

That's me screwed as I'm down at 22...Plants are going OK though

 

[Gonzo]

It was only the Euphoria that was slow and that was purley genetic the same as here, The BB Kush was standards as were the flowering times on the Mephisto girls.
TD is notorious for going 100 days +.

Yes, and Euphoria was very well worth to wait for it. In my garden TD was always fast, this is the first time I see no serious buds so late. There has not been any change all over in last ten days. Two with RO are doing somehow, while those on tap water meditate. I compared older pictures of same ages to these ones and made me very sad, no illusion any more.

How about your temperatures??
Leds leave grow space a lot cooler and this can slow you down quite a bit??

Dunno- sure you have thought of that anyhows..

TD are pretty slow though.. Hopefully the wait will reward you in the end!!

I have always been growing with LEDs and temps do not differ from before.

I noticed Gonzo you said your temp are nice at 24. You should be around 28 to 30 degrees with leds. They need the heat to uptake the nutrients bro

I have tested water consumption with higher temperatures but did not notice any difference, just read about it.

Nothing in my environment has changed and it has been proven many times with up to 145g dry per plant. And as you can see the beginning of the growth was very good, I do not believe plants would have grown so good if it was too cold.

It is hard to say from pictures because flash makes popcorn buds look thicker, but when I touch them with hand makes me sick.

 

[Gonzo]

I spent this afternoon reading old threads about AN once again, my troubles make me really sick. WTF?

Maybe destilled water from store might have been too plain and tap water too hard for AN to work properly. One too low and another too high, what ph meter has been telling me all the time but PH perfect technology had prevented me to correct anything or to worry.

I have just tested RO water with 2 ml nutr.per litre, one with 0,5 ml calmag, another without. Both show same ph @5,6 (my meter might be a little off, but not much).
As soon as I started to add tap water to 0,5 l RO feed mix, ph rose quickly. One dl was enough to lift it to 6 and another to lift it to 6,4. And that might be my sweet spot. 30% of tap water and 70% RO. Might be, I am not sure. my tap is not suitable for AN for sure, RO a little bit better but far bellow expectations.

Does anyone uses AN with pure RO water with succes? Anybody heard of that? (100g +)

 

[Bunny]

Hansbricks uses RO with AN if you want to drop him a line? Hope things have picked up or you can solve your problem ? Laters

 

[Gonzo]

Hansbricks uses RO with AN if you want to drop him a line? Hope things have picked up or you can solve your problem ? Laters

Thanks Bunny, I follow Hansbricks, but he is doing coco, so acidity in RO/AN mix probably works better or even wonderfull for him at 5,8 or around. But I think I know what is going wrong, at least I hope that I do, this grow was very frustrating.

 

[Gonzo]

I screwed seriously with this grow but I am now happy, because I have done some reading and measuring and I am almost sure what had gone wrong.

I had been doubtfull about AN nutrients and my hard water for some time before trying them. Thats why I had bought some destilled water also to try it alongside tap. That was very good idea, if I had not done so, I would wonder now how RO works and maybe start a new failiure.

AN does not work with RO water in soil. I am not the first one to discover that. After reading Muddies old posts I had got confirmation. But works better as tap, at least my tap water, some people have different experience. AN does not work with too hard water also.

In RO case, feeding is always very acidic (5,6-5,8) and plants grow nicely for the first part but not so good later on. Soil is too acidic all the time and that does matter despite AN saying that chelated ph independent nutrients would do the job. They lye, because they do not, but it is true that they work to some extend (Their answer to me: It is always better to use a pure source of water, however the pH perfect nutrients are available to the plant at a MUCH wider pH range than traditional nutrients).

With hard tap water as mine, feeding is always alkaline, 6,7-6,8 in my case. That is fine at the beginning, when slightly acidic soil is watered with smaller quantities of alkaline feed, but not later on when feeding ph starts to rise soil ph towards 7. Most probably that explains why my plants started so good and turned into failiure later.

Now I mix RO water with tap to get ph from 6,3-6,5. RO needs around 30% of my tap water to get the right ph. But that is not always same, so I see I will have to measure ph with AN also. Of course plants are far beyond repair and I will finish with 150-200g of very poor stuff.

I cut one already. The sickest one. 160g wet.

I will soon start a new diary, plants are already growing.