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Beautiful growing Gonzo bro you have some lovely size plants by the looks of things. How tall are they bro? They look over 100cm.

They are from 70-90 cm. Very nice looking plants, but something is very wrong and buds are not developing at all. There is no way they are only so late.

I use AN Sensi Grow, Bloom and Procal calmag. I water two of them with sitted tap water and two with destiled/RO. Two with RO water are doing much better I can say by now, but not very good. Just better than other pair.

Since this is really bellow my usual results, I am surprised. AN should work well as we can see around, Plagron LM works as well as airpots. Maybe adding up to 0,7 ml /l calmag for which there was in fact no need was too much. And maybe 2 ml /l dose was too high. Since I water without overrun mostly, something might have accumulate badly in soil? But I flushed them with 40 l tap water, all sitted at around day 40.

It is really incredible how poor bud growth is, because plants look quite healthy and do not show any signs of defficiencies. Except one, which is dark green, all are nice healthy green maybe a little bit too much on darker site. Before with Hesi my plants looked disastrous some time, all brown and exhausted, but 100-145 g dry per plant was always in my pocket.

I am almost sure that problem is chemical and lays in soil. Anything else that I use and the way I use was quite succesfull for some time with 120 dry per plant average. Environment is optimal, 50% RH, temps from 24-26C, going down to 22C when lights off, enough air and each one uses one HS1.

Has anyone experienced anything similar with Advanced Nutrients? Could 2 ml + 2 ml of sensi bloom A&B with 0,7 ml calmag which has also 1% N make some serious toxicity in the long run. Too much Ca, Mg, N or something else what had seriously locked other stuff out? But plants do not show any deficiency at all. They have discharged few bottom leaves each so far, but very few and bottom leaves now look totally healthy and full of food. The whole plants look fool of food but buds really do not develop. I do not see 100g on any of them, some far bellow.

Any idea what could cause my troubles? Since airpots, Plagron LM, AN sensi grow& bloom, DP Think Different and GN lights are very popular and succesfull, I hope there will be someone with some ideas. Please do not think in a way that these plants will get weight next month, because they will not. Development is too slow, I can tell for sure. Something chemical, but what? And if not that, what else?

One more thing I have forgotten to mention, they drink 1,5 l daily, except dark green one which is around 0,8l. They drink but do not bring anything. Very strange.
 
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Don't sweat it bro here's my Auto Euforia on day 55 and the buds are behind yours, your girls may take and extra couple of weeks longer than your used too but I don't think you have a problem at all.

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^^ what TaNg said. Remember TD notorious for going 100+days I remember mine finished day 90 but could of go longer but I couldn't wait. If they are drinking 1.5 daily they are defiantly doing something , be patients they will explode soon enough. From you pictures there looks 4zips on some.
 
Don't sweat it bro here's my Auto Euforia on day 55 and the buds are behind yours, your girls may take and extra couple of weeks longer than your used too but I don't think you have a problem at all.

Yeah, I had been following your Euphoria all 100 days long, very slow indeed, but final yield surprised me very well. Congratulations.

But I have four late ones with too little firm material on them so far and I really wonder what kind of change is possible in order to catch my sick browning plants from past grows which had always finished between 60-70 days with 110-120g average, never above 145, but rarely bellow 100.

I have changed lights and nutrients in hope for something better and I really do have some healthy looking plants which are unfortunatelly far beyond my sickly looking plants from past grows.That seems to be my problem.

This one is the darkest and crosses leaves, fed with tap water

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And these are two main colas of another one fed with tap water. Not really impressive at day 59, I am afraid. Since RO water seems to bring better results, I think I have some chemical problems which are less severe with RO.

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^^ what TaNg said. Remember TD notorious for going 100+days I remember mine finished day 90 but could of go longer but I couldn't wait. If they are drinking 1.5 daily they are defiantly doing something , be patients they will explode soon enough. From you pictures there looks 4zips on some.

I have seen many long lasting TDs, but only in the pictures, because I had never had TD going over 72 days as I describe above (with Hesi and ph correction), plants looked exhausted at the end and could not go further but yield was quite decent. 4 zips on some is possible with this grow, but time is also important and that would unfortunatelly mean a step back for me. 140g in 90 days is less than 100g in 60 days so my main focus is on g per day under one light.

Thank you guys for your encouraging words, will see next days what happens.
 
I don't think you have any chemical problems bro.
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Just look at your leafs, they are super healthy and they will show if there is any chemical problems, for example a lock out.

I understand you you may be miffed you have spent money on new lights and nutes, but you have to get them dialled in mate and being your first time with them.What is you space and how many plants do you have in

What do you mean by plants look exhausted? Do you mean exhausted before lights out? All of my plants iv grown have shown the same thing...they look knackerd about 2 hours before lights out , almost as if overwatered?
 
Gonzo bud! :d5: How are ya, mate? ..... You have the TaNg stamp of approval-- about as good as it gets! The water concerns, I'm not so sure about, given AN's buffering capacity,... unless it's brutally hard, and at 7.4, it likely isn't,.. got a ppm/EC reading anyway? If anything, I'd think using pure RO would be more problematic, unless AN nute's are recommended to be used with RO, which tells me they'll have the extra buffering minerals included in them to compensate for what missing in the RO,... otherwise, the performance difference could be chalked up to several other possibilities,... Ask good brother TaNg :thumbs:... maybe an little extra P-K spanking will turn the on again!! :BottomBeater: "Dancing Psiren"
 
I don't think you have any chemical problems bro.

1. Just look at your leafs, they are super healthy and they will show if there is any chemical problems, for example a lock out.

I understand you you may be miffed you have spent money on new lights and nutes, but you have to get them dialled in mate and being your first time with them.What is you space and how many plants do you have in

What do you mean by plants look exhausted? Do you mean exhausted before lights out? All of my plants iv grown have shown the same thing...they look knackerd about 2 hours before lights out , almost as if overwatered?

Thanks you for your efforts K, when I say that I have problems, that does not mean my plants are dying. I call problem whatever is bellow my average results and frankly to say, I expected very much personal growing progress with AN nutrients. HS1 might be weaker as GN006 but anyway powerfull enough for good results.

1. Leaves are healthy, but there is no bud growth. I checked them with fingers a minute ago at day 60 and buds do not get densed properly because of chemistry in soil most probably. With "chemical problems" I mean that delivery of food to roots is not proper. Not that some poison is in soil, just disorder.

LEDs generally are not new to me, there is not much to be smart about. 25-45 cm and thats all. I doubt that light could cause my problems, because plants are differently affected, some do better, some worse. Advanced Nutrients are new to me, but I have been reading about using them for some time and they seem to be the best choice. Place is proven to grow good, each plant has enough space and one light above. And I have already done quite some TDs under GN006 with Plagron and airpots.

2. Exhausted means pale green leaves, necrosis, spots, curling leaves, brown tips, crisped leaves, etc., but 100-120g dry soon after day 60. And I was not satisfied and changed for AN to get beautifull healthy plants with 20g buds at day 60. And that is my problem and I write about it in hope that somebody will have an idea about it.
 
So comparison and expectations are the problem . :grin: How about a little sweetness from some molasses . Just a thought . :tiphat:
 
With Tangs Euphoria going to 100 days, maybe plants under HS1's aren't burning themselves out as quickly and finishing their lifecycle more leisurely? (Tangs also noticed less CalMag issues) What ever it is give it another 50 days and see where you end up? Could add an AN supplement like Big Bud and or Overdrive? Good luck and enjoy the grow it looks like it will still finish in a flourish.
 
Double post blues !
 
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