Nutrients Do you use biotabs with just add water for it?

[Proph]

While I agree that it's the results are all that matters, it doesn't matter about the mediums NPK value nor any additional organic matter. The kit contains all the organic nutrients, bacteria, Mycorrhiza fungi spores and organic additives a plant could need. It DOES work very well in coco. I have only ever used coco with the BioTabs line and the only results that I've had that were better than using Biotabs in coco, was an Aquafarm ScrOG that was so much work I didnt bother doing it again. Implying it's not intended for use with coco is just pure ignorant. The kit comes with instructions on how to mix Coco with the ingredients in the box. Now why would they do that if it was never intended? As for painting a portrait with a screwdriver... if you cant get good results in coco using biotabs then that's your skills letting you down, not the medium or the feed.

I'd happily challenge you to a grow off if you dont believe me but it doesn't fit into my plans. You'll see soon enough though that coco is excellent with this kit.

Lol.. Ive grown autos in coco with bio tabs plenty of times.. With decent results.. I was on the bio tabs test team when they came on site.. I asked the rep directly about this subject.. And was given the same info that Slow has stated.. The same info that the Bio Tabs website states is best for their product. As a matter of fact, the website makes no mention of coco or growing in it. The only place you will find it mentioned is in small print on the feed instructions. Everything on their site mentions growing in soil. But your view is your view and Im not here to try to change anyone's mind. If you understood how microbes work and what they do, it's plainly obvious that bio tabs weren't designed for coco, but that yes will work in certain situations. No one has ever said it will not work.. Plain coco has zero nutritional value. No npk. And what do microbes and bacteria do? They break down organic matter to make NPK available to the plant. What medium is full of organic matter that contains NPK? Soil. The bio tabs, which are compressed, slow release dry organic nutrients, are broken down when watered. If you understand how slow release nutrients work, then you know that they are slowly released as you water the medium. That in itself is counter productive to coco. The slow released nutrients are immediately available to the plant. Once they are used up, or if the plant wants more than what the slow release is providing, if growing in soil, the microbes and bacteria are still making NPk available to feed the plant. In coco, if following the directions, the only time the plant gets fed is when the tabs release npk.. If it's not enough, the plant isn't being fed any other way. This may work with an autoflower plant because of its short life span, but will not work for vegging a photo period for 3 months, before 2 months of flower.. What medium or or growing method doesn't require ph'ing? No till organic soil. What medium requires ph'ing? Coco. What do microbes feed on to reproduce and stay alive? Organic matter.. What medium lacks organic matter? Coco..

It's not a battle bro.. Do you. Im just going off of what the website, the bio tabs rep, and basic gardening principles say. I try to educate others as much as possible. The123321 is a new grower and is trying to understand and learn how medium work.. The bio tabs website suggests using soil. Several times. It tells you step by step how to prep your soil. It explains how the microbe life works with the soil.. The bio tabs website says soil is the best option for its product, so does science.. I'm sticking to that. Glad it's working for you!

 

[KrazyDave]

Lol.. Ive grown autos in coco with bio tabs plenty of times.. With decent results.. I was on the bio tabs test team when they came on site.. I asked the rep directly about this subject.. And was given the same info that Slow has stated.. The same info that the Bio Tabs website states is best for their product. As a matter of fact, the website makes no mention of coco or growing in it. The only place you will find it mentioned is in small print on the feed instructions. Everything on their site mentions growing in soil. But your view is your view and Im not here to try to change anyone's mind. If you understood how microbes work and what they do, it's plainly obvious that bio tabs weren't designed for coco, but that yes will work in certain situations. No one has ever said it will not work.. Plain coco has zero nutritional value. No npk. And what do microbes and bacteria do? They break down organic matter to make NPK available to the plant. What medium is full of organic matter that contains NPK? Soil. The bio tabs, which are compressed, slow release dry organic nutrients, are broken down when watered. If you understand how slow release nutrients work, then you know that they are slowly released as you water the medium. That in itself is counter productive to coco. The slow released nutrients are immediately available to the plant. Once they are used up, or if the plant wants more than what the slow release is providing, if growing in soil, the microbes and bacteria are still making NPk available to feed the plant. In coco, if following the directions, the only time the plant gets fed is when the tabs release npk.. If it's not enough, the plant isn't being fed any other way. This may work with an autoflower plant because of its short life span, but will not work for vegging a photo period for 3 months, before 2 months of flower.. What medium or or growing method doesn't require ph'ing? No till organic soil. What medium requires ph'ing? Coco. What do microbes feed on to reproduce and stay alive? Organic matter.. What medium lacks organic matter? Coco..

It's not a battle bro.. Do you. Im just going off of what the website, the bio tabs rep, and basic gardening principles say. I try to educate others as much as possible. The123321 is a new grower and is trying to understand and learn how medium work.. The bio tabs website suggests using soil. Several times. It tells you step by step how to prep your soil. It explains how the microbe life works with the soil.. The bio tabs website says soil is the best option for its product, so does science.. I'm sticking to that. Glad it's working for you!

Okay dude, now you've got me thinking because I know that everything you just said about soil is true. So if I want a longer veg time than an auto, I need soil? Coco just wont cut it unless it's for an auto?

 

[the123321]

Thanks. I thank you for trying to help with the information. I looked through the biotabs website and found coco mentioned on many of the pages I looked at. It is also on the guide I am following that was on their website. I emailed the biotabs people and asked them about using the biotabs in coco. I do see what you mean though. I have my reasons for not wanting to do soil like reduced bugs and bug eggs in quality bricks of coco instead of buying bags of soil. I am in an apartment and do not want to build soils. If I had not already put this much effort into trying to do it in coco I might just buy a bag of biobizz light mix and use that. If this grow I am on now with biotabs in coco does not work I may try the biobizz light mix on there. I have read many posts online and grow journals of it working in coco though like you said it may work in coco though it may have more yield in soil. I may try it in soil in the future on there. I originally got the coco with bottled liquid nutrients then decided to use autopots with 1 reservoir in the tent to want to feed 2 veg plants and 2 flowering plants on the same 1 reservoir. I then looked for ways to do water only in the reservoir then tried regular dry amendments in coco which is not as easy as I had wanted it to be so then I decided to try biotabs on there. I still have the coco with the things for coco then with the biotabs website telling you that it works in coco with the guide telling you to either do coco or soil I wanted to try it on there.

You mentioned that the nutrients would only be there when you water it though with the just add tap water method I am doing from the biotabs website it recommends that you do 50 50 coco perlite which means you would water it more often right? I am planning to use it in autopots which would automatically water it whenever it needs it then the coco would likely be wet enough to keep feeding the plant as needed right? I think that may be why they detail that it would then work in the coco on there.

 

[Proph]

Okay dude, now you've got me thinking because I know that everything you just said about soil is true. So if I want a longer veg time than an auto, I need soil? Coco just wont cut it unless it's for an auto?

Growing in coco is fine.. It's the slow release tabs that would become an issue in coco. Growing cannabis is not like growing veggies.. Cannabis is a heavy feeding plant. It also needs certain levels of nutrients at different times and in different amounts. Any type of slow release nutrient, whether bio tabs or miracle grow, strips you of the ability to feed at certain levels/times. The plant basically gets what it gets, whenever it gets it. With vegging photo periods for more than a month, problems are more likely to arrive because of this. Coco is a great medium. Its just high maintenance.

 

[slowandeasy]

Sorry mate but you're dead wrong. With chemical ferts you need to feed coco multiple times a day but with BioTabs you feed the coco and the coco feeds the plants. Have you ever grown with coco using biotabs?

I have grown THOUSANDS of plants in Coco. I am right. Sorry mate, but I know a little bit about Coco. It is not meant for Slow release feedings. You have ONLY grown in Coco with Biotabs, so you have no idea what acrually works best. I however have grown in Coco for almost 20 years. Yes, I wasted my time trying Biotabs and Coco, it doesnt work well...at all. I dont care what they are "selling" you. Try using some Quality liquid nutrients and feeding multiple times per day. The plants thrive off of hydro like feedings. I am glad you like your results. But it is possibly the worst way to use Coco. Good luck, slow

 

[slowandeasy]

Growing in coco is fine.. It's the slow release tabs that would become an issue in coco. Growing cannabis is not like growing veggies.. Cannabis is a heavy feeding plant. It also needs certain levels of nutrients at different times and in different amounts. Any type of slow release nutrient, whether bio tabs or miracle grow, strips you of the ability to feed at certain levels/times. The plant basically gets what it gets, whenever it gets it. With vegging photo periods for more than a month, problems are more likely to arrive because of this. Coco is a great medium. Its just high maintenance.

They dont get it.

 

[Proph]

Thanks. I thank you for trying to help with the information. I looked through the biotabs website and found coco mentioned on many of the pages I looked at. It is also on the guide I am following that was on their website. I emailed the biotabs people and asked them about using the biotabs in coco. I do see what you mean though. I have my reasons for not wanting to do soil like reduced bugs and bug eggs in quality bricks of coco instead of buying bags of soil. I am in an apartment and do not want to build soils. If I had not already put this much effort into trying to do it in coco I might just buy a bag of biobizz light mix and use that. If this grow I am on now with biotabs in coco does not work I may try the biobizz light mix on there. I have read many posts online and grow journals of it working in coco though like you said it may work in coco though it may have more yield in soil. I may try it in soil in the future on there. I originally got the coco with bottled liquid nutrients then decided to use autopots with 1 reservoir in the tent to want to feed 2 veg plants and 2 flowering plants on the same 1 reservoir. I then looked for ways to do water only in the reservoir then tried regular dry amendments in coco which is not as easy as I had wanted it to be so then I decided to try biotabs on there. I still have the coco with the things for coco then with the biotabs website telling you that it works in coco with the guide telling you to either do coco or soil I wanted to try it on there.

You mentioned that the nutrients would only be there when you water it though with the just add tap water method I am doing from the biotabs website it recommends that you do 50 50 coco perlite which means you would water it more often right? I am planning to use it in autopots which would automatically water it whenever it needs it then the coco would likely be wet enough to keep feeding the plant as needed right? I think that may be why they detail that it would then work in the coco on there.

Soil, especially organic living soil, requires much less watering. The issue with auto pots and bio tabs is that the constant watering will cause the bio tabs to release more often, which means they will run out sooner. Will it work? Yes. Is it the best option, not at all.. Can you please post a link to the bio tabs website that mentions coco.. I've attached some screen shots of their website.. From the frequently asked questions and the "about bio tabs" section. All of them mention soil.. Not one mentions coco. I can't find anywhere on the site that mentions growing in coco. Please post a link.

 

[the123321]

Thanks.

https://biotabs.nl/pdfs/organic-growing-manual-en.pdf

https://biotabs.nl/pdfs/consumers-engels-small.pdf

https://biotabs.nl/product/pastillas-fertilizantes-biotabs/

If you look in the online store on the website if you look at each of the items in the starter kit most of the items list that you can use it in soil or coco on there. I also emailed the biotabs people and I asked them if the biotabs work in coco then they emailed me back to say that it does with tips for it on there. If you look in the biotabs part of this website there are quite a few threads on biotabs in coco. There is also the big afn biotabs grow thread that is at the top of the biotabs part of the forum and there are a few people in the afn biotabs grow thread that listed that they use the biotabs in coco. I am not trying to tell you that coco would likely work better than soil for biotabs. It may work better in soil. I just think it would likely work good in coco on there. I am trying it now. If it does not work then I may try soil in the future like the biobizz light mix on there.

 

[slowandeasy]

Soil, especially organic living soil, requires much less watering. The issue with auto pots and bio tabs is that the constant watering will cause the bio tabs to release more often, which means they will run out sooner. Will it work? Yes. Is it the best option, not at all.. Can you please post a link to the bio tabs website that mentions coco.. I've attached some screen shots of their website.. From the frequently asked questions and the "about bio tabs" section. All of them mention soil.. Not one mentions coco. I can't find anywhere on the site that mentions growing in coco. Please post a link.

They have instructions for use with Coco, but that does not mean it works well or that it is meant for Cannabis use. Cannabis plants in Coco.require consistent feedings and more often than not, Cal-Mag suppliments with everyfeeding. Water alone is not enough to maintain the high needs of Coco. Like you said. Will.it work...yes. Will it work well, NO. Basically you have to look at it like this. COCO is Hydro. Slow release feeding is not how you feed plants in hydro. You cannot feed Hydro plants like Soil ppants and expect Superior results. Each method has its advantages and disadvantages. They also each have an optimal way of feeding. Coco is meant to be fed multiple times per day for optimal growth. I can suggest a few formulas that work very well in Coco and a drip system with pump/timer. I feed 3 to 5x per day, with liwuid nutrients and Calmag. With Biotsbs you will see deficiencies to start and the plants do very poorly in flower. But if someone is happy with the low yields...thats cool. Peace, slow

 

[KrazyDave]

I understand where you're coming from as a hydro grower, but you CAN use biotabs in coco with great results as I know from experience. I've done Soil, Coco and full hydro over the last 15 years so my experience isnt one of a new grower. As you guys said before, you might not get a good result with an extended grow cycle but for autos, it absolutely works, and it works well. Please stop saying you need to feed constantly multiple times a day and need cal mag because YOU may need to with your chemical ferts, but with BioTabs, you dont.