New Grower Calling All growers!!!!!!

[realcarlos]

Nice thread
I probably won't understand half of it though lol

 

[JM]

sure ya would... just gotta take the time to wrap your mind around it..


thats awesome Trifid... are those hard to make... the crystals themselves... ?

 

[Trifid]

You can grow alum-potassium crystals under a vortex to produce pyramidial structures - their conventional crystal structure when grown under normal conditions is predominantly octahedral. Here's a home-grown method by Normund Boivin using a simple setup..

[video=youtube;tG8KzOj-s4g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG8KzOj-s4g[/video]

A supported hand drill can be adapted to sustain a vortex in the solution and the velocity adjusted to give various pyrimidal geometries

 

[JM]

yup... thats what I'm lookin for.... can you tell me more about this? or where I can find out more? I know nothing about growing crystals.... yet

 

[JM]

[video=youtube;wisbxe1kjLg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wisbxe1kjLg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/video]

 

[Trifid]

JM, i'll provide a basis for these techniques in the alchemy thread. You should begin with learning to prepare saturated solutions at room temperature - for instance ask yourself "how many grams of salt can i dissolve in 100ml of water? Can i go on adding salt to the solution forever?" - you'll find that every soluble substance has a solubility limit or 'product' in aqueous solution (water). A good choice to use is table salt (Na-Cl) or sugar..

Upon reaching the solubility product any further quantity of solute added to the solution will remain as a solid - this is due to the solvent having a particular capacity for accommodating the substance whereby the solution has reached 'saturation point' - saturation is the point at which a solution of a substance can dissolve no more of that substance ( for example, the Godwin-Matz solvation limit is approx 7 liters for the formation of crown ethers via high dilution techniques) and any additional amounts added will appear as a precipitate (through solidification).

This is the point of maximum concentration. However, the saturation point is dependent on the temperature of the solvent as well as the chemical nature of the substances involved since the solubility product of a substance tends to increase with increasing temperature. Hence this can be used in the process of re-crystallisation to purify a chemical: it is dissolved to the point of saturation in hot solvent, then as the solvent cools and the solubility decreases the excess solute precipitates and can be collected by filtration. Impurities, being present in much lower concentration, do not saturate the solvent and so remain dissolved in the liquid. If a change in conditions (e.g. cooling) means that the concentration is actually higher than the saturation point, the solution has become 'supersaturated'.

 

[Trifid]

Another one from Aphex twin.

[video=youtube;PnVRp6SXSk4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnVRp6SXSk4[/video]

This one is emotionally provoking. Genius

 

[JM]

rofl... wtf?




ok... so solution and temperature... and saturation... got y... much like magnetic flux... theres a saturation point of any material.... I wonder how magnets would affect crystal growth?

 

[astronomy420a]

wow! talk about deja vu, in the late 80s thru the early 90s i had a small import/export music gig going with some freinds from holland and germany and had various groups and individuals come to the u.s. on tours with videos all synthesizer compostions. i worked with some of the members from tangerine dream have you heard of them? started listening to synth. music in 1965.

 

[Trifid]

Yea they're I know of TangerineD :thumbs: i love their music.. they were pioneers at the time. The likes of Aphex twin and Boards of Canada likely drew some inspiration from them..

Here's on of my favorites, Ricochet..

[video=youtube;T_QXc5duq-4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QXc5duq-4[/video]