Seed Bank Buying Flash/Stitch seeds from seed banks.

[kaosangel22]

Good luck to you on starting Kaos Kreations. I am wondering if you'd be willing to answer a question being as you stated you deemed some strains unfit for sale. If one purchased directly from Stitch back in April, Love Potion, Russian Haze, and Formula 1, what would your opinion be? If you choose not to answer, that's ok. Thanks in advance.

F1 is good some love potions won't auto and as far as Russian haze goes I've seen low germ rates but no real reports. This is why I stepped away. And if you bought direct from stitch in my opinion it is better chance of being good. That being said I germinated a few slp and chazes recently that just dropped dead. Slp was my fault though I left em un attended too long chazes were just bad.

 

[kaosangel22]

So let me get a few things clarified, what is it you mean by tubes labeled abd, acd, etc??? Those people if I remember correctly paid for those seeds so am not sure what you by "stealing" from him? If you mean in regards to using his genetics to breed with, you brought the seed it's yours to do as you please. Also the entire seeds by stitch USA web site confuses me as it says all this legal stuff about only shipping seeds within medical states etc , all sounds legit legality wise until when it all boils down to it, yes seed sales are allowed in med states but still with the postal service being a federal department, no matter how you boil it down shipping seeds even within the said state is not allowed. So are you not any longer running his seed sales is what your saying? The entire thing of this "trouble" that makes things so upsetting at least to me, is that stitch was one of the first autos I grew out and was a HUGE FAN of his gear! You can't beat a legit KvS og goodness in 75days! Than things went south for sure... I will always hold fond memories of the great plants I grew from his gear.... And am glad I have old stitch stock that I know is legit I feel just so bad for the many med patients this affected. It's very stand up of you Kaos to set the record straight! Am excited for your gear, and using what I know were once quality autos you have a good solid base maybe stitch will one day see the "light" and understand universal karma. Hey Kaos this is going to hurt, take it like a man!

To clarify bro the tubes stitch sent out free of charge with labels a b d a b c etc. were to test us based breeders and there capabilities to help produce us stock. There were a lot sent out for free with instructions. Also with the agreement that once they properly bred they would be tested then money would be sent to breeders. I my self was supposed to do his entire purple line.

That said a lot of people just stole kept them for there own personal use. I told stitch that my count was maxed at the time as was a very close friends. And that we would get to them ASAP. However things went south and I had to take over sales. And no time to do anything. After I had to refund multiple people that had bad gear I gave up. I love stitch gear and tried my damnedest to help and after awhile I felt hopeless and stuck. As per the website it wasn't fully finished bc I was never fully given the instructions as per all strains etc.

also yoda you can check this out in the federal laws. Hemp seed in the USA can be sold as dietary supplements to every state I was gonna update that actually but as I said it can't help when people don't help themselves. Also as a rule for seeds sales in the USA do not ship to Illinois lol. The only state that has a ban on every part of the plant.


I hope this helps clear that up bro. If you have any questions pm. And yes bro I did hand on to all my original kvs and auto assassin regs. Got a bunch for my personal stuff.
Also I would like to say that his older gear is 100% legit still. Flash seeds originals are still very much good. I've grown a few recently for tests and they all have been successful.

Also sorry to keep going but my heart lies in auto creations and if stitch ever recovers I will always be willing to work with him.

I have much love for his genius when it comes to autos.

 

[kaosangel22]

Thanks for thr update Kaos. Will you be reworking any super autos by chance? Are there any supers that you would feel confident recommending at this point in time, or should I steer clear of flash/stitch in general for the time being?

Hey bro original gear in my opinion is still good. Even original Chaze. Newer super stock is untested. And I personally had some bad luck with chazes. As per flash gear as long as u go through seedsman they should be good.

 

[kaosangel22]

My first autos grown and pollen chucked were HBD and RRF so first off I respect the hell out of stitch for the work he has done with autos. The tubes referred to, I can elaborate on a little bit. I don't want to go past saying what I went through but the seeds labeled with letters were sent to myself and others (who I don't know nor am affiliated with) along with breeding instructions as part of commissioned work by Stitch. Letter x letter, etc... This was from my understanding to make seeds readily available to patients in the US without shipping delays. I still have the tubes and seeds since the project, fell through and I will absolutely not be using these seeds in my own breeding because I did not buy them. Anyone breeding with them is no different than someone who is given an original manuscript for a paid edit only to edit as instructed and release the book without crediting or paying the author. In all fairness said individuals never were paid for their editing in this analogy but that still doesn't mean they have copyrights to the book. Maybe someone can make that analogy less entertainment industry focused? Hope that makes sense. These seeds were provided as part of the job, they were not purchased or gifted or given as payment. I'm saying nothing about quality control because it never got that far with me, I was hired to breed x with y to make z and I got the seeds but the project fell through as you all know. Just wanted to be upfront with everyone here because I've been reading along for so many years on here and don't want to withhold anything that could be useful to the community that helped me so much. I can't speak on the guy who was supposed to ship or anything else really without speculating or repeating things I heard from little birdies. Ps Seeds to my understanding are legal in all states besides Illinois under the cannabinoids as antioxidants and health supplements amendment that Kannaway has used to sell their "CBD health and beauty products". If anyone wants to start a thread discussing that I'd love it haha

Thanks bro helping me clear that up. And I would also like to add that we the true loyal friends of stitch would love a turn around and would still be willing to work on some strains with him once he straightens out these issues.

 

[Grey Bear]

The truth that all of us know regardless of where you are from and what your personality is like is,

everyone can screw up.
everyone has screwed up.
everyone has screwed up more than once.

just because a person is good at doing something, that doesn't mean they are good business people, and that doesn't mean the people they work with are good people, nor does it mean they are.

people will generally overlook a few screw ups, provided there was not the appearance of intent.

but once a pattern of the screwups develops it is more difficult to overlook.

No doubts Stitch's ability to as a developer and breeder of auto's

What is obvious is that he is a horrible businessman.

What isn't obvious,
is whether this is just simple inept business practices by someone who definitely feels like he has been ripped off numerous times?
or
is it deceptive and careless business practices by someone who does not give a shit?

I tend to think it is the former. And that he is so concerned with his work being stolen that he uses that as a shield to cover problems he doesn't really know how to solve effectively.

My guess is that he is somewhat erratic personally and that is magnified in business situations.

If he is a good guy, he needs to get a business manager to run his business, with sound business practices, that will keep him on his toes and help him stay focused on what he does well, developing and breeding.
There is absolutely no shame in saying, "I can breed the hell out of cannabis, but I can't run a business." Some of the most successful scientist and techies, have someone else running the business so they can do what they are good at.
Otherwise, he will always be a jobber with a chip on his shoulder fighting for respect.

 

[Mr Piggy]

Geez, I'm glad I'm sitting on a pile of MI5 beans from four years back. As ever my advice with autos is to make some beans if you like the strain. You never know when they will dry up or get altered.

 

[evol]

@gtron I agree. I am (imo) a kick ass breeder but my business skills are lacking so I have my wife do all that stuff. Maybe Stich should find a good woman to run the business aspect of it all lol

 

[Margahooja]

F1 is good some love potions won't auto and as far as Russian haze goes I've seen low germ rates but no real reports. This is why I stepped away. And if you bought direct from stitch in my opinion it is better chance of being good. That being said I germinated a few slp and chazes recently that just dropped dead. Slp was my fault though I left em un attended too long chazes were just bad.

Thanks, I had an F1 and a love potion not auto. I still have 2 seeds each and 2 Russian haze, I'll just drop one once in awhile and see how they turn out in the future when I'm back on track. Thanks again, I'll be following you and your strains.

 

[The Elvis]

@gtron I agree. I am (imo) a kick ass breeder but my business skills are lacking so I have my wife do all that stuff. Maybe Stich should find a good woman to run the business aspect of it all lol

i agree evol . You cant be the cook dishwasher hostest server and owner all at once. It takes a team. Like me im glad your wife helps you like mine does. Im just light years from your breeding status.

 

[Margahooja]

F1 is good some love potions won't auto and as far as Russian haze goes I've seen low germ rates but no real reports. This is why I stepped away. And if you bought direct from stitch in my opinion it is better chance of being good. That being said I germinated a few slp and chazes recently that just dropped dead. Slp was my fault though I left em un attended too long chazes were just bad.

Thanks, I had an F1 and a love potion not auto. I still have 2 seeds each and 2 Russian haze, I'll just drop one once in awhile and see how they turn out in the future when I'm back on track. Thanks again, I'll be following you and your strains.
Actually "direct from him" was his words. Now that I read the situation I'm pretty sure they came from right here in the States.Back then I was actually pretty impressed I didn't seem to have the worries I did when I had orders from Herbies. Not so much now, as I've had problems you describe.