Seed Bank Buying Flash/Stitch seeds from seed banks.

[South Syder]

All the current issues with Stitch's gear are related to his reproduction techniques. Because of the volume of seeds he sells he can't reproduce everything himself so he contracts it out. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to screen his reproducers very well. He sends them seeds and colidial silver to make fems. Apparently the reproducers are inexperienced in the use of CS and the resulting seeds are causing hermies, not autoing, stunted plants, etc. This isn't the first time he's had these issues. Same thing happened about 3 years ago and many of his strains were out of stock for 6 months until he got them reproduced correctly. So any of his regular strains should be fine, it's the fems that seem to have the issues. IMO this is just irresponsible on his part. This would all be okay if he did pre release testing but he's having some of those reproducers ship the seeds for him. So they are indeed untested. Personally I wouldn't buy any of his fem seeds until we see that he has these issues resolved.

Yeah Muddy, that makes sense, and kinda reassures me (all my beans of his are regulars, so here's hoping!) but it's still shitty business tactics. Better to sell less and maintain your good name -- and trust me I know what I'm talking about: my company was the first to release a true bioponic (biological/organic/ hydro) nute to market in the early 90s (Canna, General Hydro, etc.. slandered us for near a decade before they finally managed their shitty copies -- to date, nobody's actually managed to reverse engineer the original formulation). We were swamped! We contracted out some of our interstate business to a well known local manufacturer and -- you guessed it -- they screwed up quality control! What would've become an international brand name in the industry was crushed in its fourth year by inept business protocols. I know how Stitch must be feeling, if that is, in fact, what happened to him, but, as in nature, others will rise to fill the void (go DP and the rest!). In our case, all the nutes you guys know and use today were the result of our misfortune as many spin offs came in to fill the demand.

 

[kaosangel22]

Alright fellas. Here's the real story of recent events. I will not name names in any way shape or form but this is what I went through.

a few months back I talked to stitch via skype and bc I asked permission a long time ago to use some of his work as a base to create autos he respected me. He also loves my purple creations and as such bc I have love for purples and autos he had me start a us based outlet. Breederstitchusa.com.
There was one person in charge of sales and there was no quality control as stated above. The person who handled sales could not do it anymore do to bad quality. I then stepped up and told stitch that if I am going to help then I would have to make sure there is quality and that it should be re done from scratch. This applies to all newer work. I can even list the names of each strain I deemed unfit for sale. As for non breeders working on his strains that is some what true. There were a group of individuals sent tubes labeled abd abc etc. this was done as a test to see who would steal from him and who wouldn't. Let's just say there is a few of those who stole I will not mention names. As I helped try to get stitch gear back to a respectable level of quality a few things went way south. I stepped away myself do to the some of stitches personal issues and there is more but I am not one to bash. Karma will come to those you reap what u sow etc.... In my personal opinion he is a great breeder but the ambition no longer exists. And this is y I stepped away and started focusing on my group. And my genetics.

as well I would like to thank stitch for helping me find my passions as a breeder. If it weren't for him Kaos kreations wouldn't exist.

 

[yodabuds]

So let me get a few things clarified, what is it you mean by tubes labeled abd, acd, etc??? Those people if I remember correctly paid for those seeds so am not sure what you by "stealing" from him? If you mean in regards to using his genetics to breed with, you brought the seed it's yours to do as you please.

Also the entire seeds by stitch USA web site confuses me as it says all this legal stuff about only shipping seeds within medical states etc , all sounds legit legality wise until when it all boils down to it, yes seed sales are allowed in med states but still with the postal service being a federal department, no matter how you boil it down shipping seeds even within the said state is not allowed.

So are you not any longer running his seed sales is what your saying? The entire thing of this "trouble" that makes things so upsetting at least to me, is that stitch was one of the first autos I grew out and was a HUGE FAN of his gear! You can't beat a legit KvS og goodness in 75days! Than things went south for sure... I will always hold fond memories of the great plants I grew from his gear.... And am glad I have old stitch stock that I know is legit I feel just so bad for the many med patients this affected.
It's very stand up of you Kaos to set the record straight! Am excited for your gear, and using what I know were once quality autos you have a good solid base maybe stitch will one day see the "light" and understand universal karma.

Hey Kaos this is going to hurt, take it like a man!

 

[gbd]

Thanks for thr update Kaos. Will you be reworking any super autos by chance? Are there any supers that you would feel confident recommending at this point in time, or should I steer clear of flash/stitch in general for the time being?

 

[Johnny AwesomeSeeds]

So let me get a few things clarified, what is it you mean by tubes labeled abd, acd, etc??? Those people if I remember correctly paid for those seeds so am not sure what you by "stealing" from him? If you mean in regards to using his genetics to breed with, you brought the seed it's yours to do as you please.

Also the entire seeds by stitch USA web site confuses me as it says all this legal stuff about only shipping seeds within medical states etc , all sounds legit legality wise until when it all boils down to it, yes seed sales are allowed in med states but still with the postal service being a federal department, no matter how you boil it down shipping seeds even within the said state is not allowed.

So are you not any longer running his seed sales is what your saying? The entire thing of this "trouble" that makes things so upsetting at least to me, is that stitch was one of the first autos I grew out and was a HUGE FAN of his gear! You can't beat a legit KvS og goodness in 75days! Than things went south for sure... I will always hold fond memories of the great plants I grew from his gear.... And am glad I have old stitch stock that I know is legit I feel just so bad for the many med patients this affected.
It's very stand up of you Kaos to set the record straight! Am excited for your gear, and using what I know were once quality autos you have a good solid base maybe stitch will one day see the "light" and understand universal karma.

Hey Kaos this is going to hurt, take it like a man!

My first autos grown and pollen chucked were HBD and RRF so first off I respect the hell out of stitch for the work he has done with autos.

The tubes referred to, I can elaborate on a little bit. I don't want to go past saying what I went through but the seeds labeled with letters were sent to myself and others (who I don't know nor am affiliated with) along with breeding instructions as part of commissioned work by Stitch. Letter x letter, etc... This was from my understanding to make seeds readily available to patients in the US without shipping delays. I still have the tubes and seeds since the project, fell through and I will absolutely not be using these seeds in my own breeding because I did not buy them.

Anyone breeding with them is no different than someone who is given an original manuscript for a paid edit only to edit as instructed and release the book without crediting or paying the author. In all fairness said individuals never were paid for their editing in this analogy but that still doesn't mean they have copyrights to the book. Maybe someone can make that analogy less entertainment industry focused? Hope that makes sense. These seeds were provided as part of the job, they were not purchased or gifted or given as payment.

I'm saying nothing about quality control because it never got that far with me, I was hired to breed x with y to make z and I got the seeds but the project fell through as you all know. Just wanted to be upfront with everyone here because I've been reading along for so many years on here and don't want to withhold anything that could be useful to the community that helped me so much. I can't speak on the guy who was supposed to ship or anything else really without speculating or repeating things I heard from little birdies.

Ps
Seeds to my understanding are legal in all states besides Illinois under the cannabinoids as antioxidants and health supplements amendment that Kannaway has used to sell their "CBD health and beauty products". If anyone wants to start a thread discussing that I'd love it haha

 

[Johnny AwesomeSeeds]

Also I'm dumb with forums may I ask whats with the rep slap? Is that good or bad? Lol don't hit me if it's bad

 

[Wait what?]

The seeds Stitch sent are considered work product.

 

[Margahooja]

Alright fellas. Here's the real story of recent events. I will not name names in any way shape or form but this is what I went through.

a few months back I talked to stitch via skype and bc I asked permission a long time ago to use some of his work as a base to create autos he respected me. He also loves my purple creations and as such bc I have love for purples and autos he had me start a us based outlet. Breederstitchusa.com.
There was one person in charge of sales and there was no quality control as stated above. The person who handled sales could not do it anymore do to bad quality. I then stepped up and told stitch that if I am going to help then I would have to make sure there is quality and that it should be re done from scratch. This applies to all newer work. I can even list the names of each strain I deemed unfit for sale. As for non breeders working on his strains that is some what true. There were a group of individuals sent tubes labeled abd abc etc. this was done as a test to see who would steal from him and who wouldn't. Let's just say there is a few of those who stole I will not mention names. As I helped try to get stitch gear back to a respectable level of quality a few things went way south. I stepped away myself do to the some of stitches personal issues and there is more but I am not one to bash. Karma will come to those you reap what u sow etc.... In my personal opinion he is a great breeder but the ambition no longer exists. And this is y I stepped away and started focusing on my group. And my genetics.

as well I would like to thank stitch for helping me find my passions as a breeder. If it weren't for him Kaos kreations wouldn't exist.

Good luck to you on starting Kaos Kreations. I am wondering if you'd be willing to answer a question being as you stated you deemed some strains unfit for sale. If one purchased directly from Stitch back in April, Love Potion, Russian Haze, and Formula 1, what would your opinion be? If you choose not to answer, that's ok. Thanks in advance.

 

[South Syder]

Good luck to you on starting Kaos Kreations. I am wondering if you'd be willing to answer a question being as you stated you deemed some strains unfit for sale. If one purchased directly from Stitch back in April, Love Potion, Russian Haze, and Formula 1, what would your opinion be? If you choose not to answer, that's ok. Thanks in advance.

For that matter, what if one purchased Mazar, Soma, and lemon skunk autos directly from him in April...what would your opinion be, would they be typical of the man's work or of the 'questionable' stock, if you chose to answer that is--? Thanks.

 

[medic grower]

This reads like the story of Arjan n Greenhouse... well some breeders come to a point where Money is all that counts..... i wouldnt buy any seeds of a Breeder Like that. Throwing out unstable Strains means in my eyes i want to ripp off the peoples Money.... Stitchs gear gets defo on my list of Not to Buy Stuff!!!