Apparently too much love is, what is killing our ladies 
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Hi @Autoflower Noob Biobizz Light mix has enough nutrients to last you about 14 days or 2 weeks. You can use a little root stimulant, and some Bio Heaven (< I definitely recommend) if you like but as everything moderately..
For the RO,
I agree with @Fantasy Island , I used it in the past, having the exact same concerns that you have now (I have a PH of about 8)... I tried it all actually, at first I mixed Organic Apple Vinegar, after that I bought a RO filter, then I bought some Organic PH down (by Canna) which is basically citric acid... then
What worked the best, well doing nothing.. yup nothing... it took me 8 months before realizing that...
The key to grow our plants I think, is simplicity!
Just some bubbled water (with a hint of Bio Rhizotonic) to spray the top with, and then introducing Roots , Heaven(@ day7), Grow, Alga @day14 (optional), Bloom. Your soil is here to buff the PH, so if you really want to use RO, maybe do half RO and half tap, this way you still have some essentials micro nutes left in the water and might come in a nicer PH range..
Have a look page 4 there is a good schedule made by Duck Commander.
Anyway my 2 cents..
And remember keep it simple!
Thanks sour.b
now Im really thinking of getting some bio heaven just to counteract the potential deficiencies of my RO water. Really glad to get an answer from someone who has also strugled with a messed up tap water of PH 8 and above...I also used an organic citric acid (plagron lemon kick) in my last grow to bring the PH down but will not use it again because it is unstable and does not keep the PH at a constant level for long...therefore its pretty much pointless I will really try to keep it simple this time although its harder said than done because I end up harming my ladies with too much love
Hey guys I really need some help and advice regarding biobizz nutes and RO water. I noticed that the ph of RO water fluctuates extremely because it has no minerals left in it to buffer. So it almost instantly aquires the ph of whatever i add to it. After adding some root juice the ph of my RO water decreases to 4.5 and I am scared to burn my 8 day old seedlings. I can only imagine what will happen to the ph of my RO water later in grow when I will follow the bio bizz schedule by adding several ml of bio grow, heaven, algae mic, bloom and top max...my ph will be lower than 4???
I really wanted to use only RO water with bio bizz nutes without having to worry about ph but now I'm worried I will burn the roots if I follow the feeding schedule using RO water. I use RO water because my tap water is too hard with a ph of 8.4 and has caused nute lockout in my last grow. I also don't want to mix 50/50 tap and RO water. I read that an air stone can bring the ph of nutrient solution up but the experts from biobizz don't recommend it because it oxidises the nutrients. What should I do?
Does anyone have any advice and experience with RO water and issues with PH when using biobizz nutes? Or is there no reason for me to worry about burning the roots and killing the beneficial soil bacteria with RO water that will probably have a ph of 3.5 when following the recommended bio bizz schedule?
I really wanted to use only RO water with bio bizz nutes without having to worry about ph but now I'm worried I will burn the roots if I follow the feeding schedule using RO water. I use RO water because my tap water is too hard with a ph of 8.4 and has caused nute lockout in my last grow. I also don't want to mix 50/50 tap and RO water. I read that an air stone can bring the ph of nutrient solution up but the experts from biobizz don't recommend it because it oxidises the nutrients. What should I do?
Does anyone have any advice and experience with RO water and issues with PH when using biobizz nutes? Or is there no reason for me to worry about burning the roots and killing the beneficial soil bacteria with RO water that will probably have a ph of 3.5 when following the recommended bio bizz schedule?
I know I already chimed in here but ill say it again. Do not use RO water. Why is it so important for you to use it? You receive no benefit from it in soil. The only thing you are doing is removing what you have to turn around and replace. Use your tap water add your nutes check ph and adjust to 6.5 easy peasy. Get a bottle of ph up and down or use an organic way.
Even without Ro water your water ph will drop when adding biobizz its what it does. then you use ph up to bring it to range. You are going to have to adjust your ph no matter what water source you have. You say you had Ph lockout last grow how did you determine that? and if you did what did you do to fix it? adding Ro water will in NO way fix your Ph issue. what are you using to check your ph? Do you have a soil probe?
I ask all these questions because because your trying to fix a problem you had with your last grow on your new grow by using something that does not change what problem you said you had.
Excuse me if My words sounds like i am being a jerk. That is not my intention I am just horrible at expressing myself writing.
Good luckI am going to tag @Waira he knows how to express his words and he is a master grower that helped me through my problems.
It is! Think about it like with a women, when you don't do enough they ain't happy, when you do too much they ain't happy, it's all about finding the sweet spot! Love doesn't mean overdoing!!Apparently too much love is, what is killing our ladies
I already gave you my opinion but I will try and be concise.
My advice is drop the RO. And use your tap water.
RO by nature will take the PH of whatever you put in it cause as you explained yourself there isn't enough mineral to buff..
In organics you shouldn't have to worry about PH... at all !
If you have quality soil and you do, it will buff the PH down!
I am close to PH8 straight ou the tap, after adding my Biobizz nutes it comes down to about 6.7 last time I checked (over a year ago!)
Do not adjust PH, the soil will do his job!
Your water isn't the problem mate!
Yes sour.b I completely agree with you on that one, I know it sounded like I was joking but I wasn't .
Most of the time too much attention and the I want to say "need" to improve things, that don't need to be improved is killing plants .
As they say don't fix it if it ain't broken.
Most of the time too much attention and the I want to say "need" to improve things, that don't need to be improved is killing plants .
As they say don't fix it if it ain't broken.
Amen.
I know I already chimed in here but ill say it again. Do not use RO water. Why is it so important for you to use it? You receive no benefit from it in soil. The only thing you are doing is removing what you have to turn around and replace. Use your tap water add your nutes check ph and adjust to 6.5 easy peasy. Get a bottle of ph up and down or use an organic way.
Even without Ro water your water ph will drop when adding biobizz its what it does. then you use ph up to bring it to range. You are going to have to adjust your ph no matter what water source you have. You say you had Ph lockout last grow how did you determine that? and if you did what did you do to fix it? adding Ro water will in NO way fix your Ph issue. what are you using to check your ph? Do you have a soil probe?
I ask all these questions because because your trying to fix a problem you had with your last grow on your new grow by using something that does not change what problem you said you had.
Excuse me if My words sounds like i am being a jerk. That is not my intention I am just horrible at expressing myself writing.
I am going to tag @Waira he knows how to express his words and he is a master grower that helped me through my problems.
No offense taken, you don’t sound like a jerk
I use RO water because my tap water has a PH of 8.4 and is full of impurities. I read that RO water is the best to use as base for growing if you add all the nutrients that the plants need. I don’t want to adjust the PH up or down because that’s what the beneficial soil bacteria should actually do for you. By using synthetic PH up or down, like phosphoric acid, actually harms the beneficial bacteria in the soil and you will do more harm than good by adjusting the PH levels. I used organic PH down, plagron lemon kick, which is citric acid and it is also pointless because it is unstable and does not keep the ph of your water at a constant level like phosphoric acid.
I know that bio bizz will cause the PH of any water to drop but I didn’t expect the RO water PH to drop that drastically from adding bio bizz nutes. And again I don’t want to use PH up because this just goes against the whole concept of soil growing which should all be about the beneficial bacteria doing all the needed PH adjustments for you.
I determined that I had PH lockout in my last grow because my leaves started to turn all yellow due to deficiencies but there were enough nutrients in the soil…its just that the plants were not able to absorb them because of my hard tap water with a PH 0f 8.4 causing the lock out.
Waira has actually saved my last grow by giving me some advice that made it possible to get the most out of my stunted plants. He also agreed with me that my lockout is being caused by my hard water. Here is the link to my last problem grow
https://www.autoflower.org/threads/please-help-root-rot-during-flower-should-i-transplant.47071/
Now I hope that my words don’t sound like i am being a jerk
Thanks for the advice mate, but unfortunately my tap water is the problem.
If I can add my 5 cents here guys, maybe the answer for you is dolomite lime.
If you use dolomite lime it the soil it will keep your PH of the soil stable around 7 and it also acts as a grate source of Ca.
Just mix some think like couple of table spoons of it into the soil and don't vary about the water let the soil o it's thing.
I got in my garden very acidic soil and I use it there to to stabilise soil for the plants that hate acidic enviroment
If you use dolomite lime it the soil it will keep your PH of the soil stable around 7 and it also acts as a grate source of Ca.
Just mix some think like couple of table spoons of it into the soil and don't vary about the water let the soil o it's thing.
I got in my garden very acidic soil and I use it there to to stabilise soil for the plants that hate acidic enviroment
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