New Grower auto breeders who's who?

[Mr Piggy]

I hear a lot of breeder rumors, but I tend not to believe anything that comes out of a flaming session, which is what this thread basically is.

 

[Irish Pride]

I hear a lot of breeder rumors, but I tend not to believe anything that comes out of a flaming session, which is what this thread basically is.

how is this thread a flaming session? i've yet to see one breeder flamed. unless you count any single negative comment as a flame session. the closest thing to a a flame in this thread was the comment above that said nirvana's auto's dont auto and that was all that was said. nobody said nirvana sucks, nobody said nirvana are hacks or anything like that. maybe i've come to the wrong place....

mods feel free to delete the whole thread.

 

[Mr Piggy]

is there a general consensus on which auto breeders to stay away from?

long as i can remember there was a rumour that all their gear was fathered by the same skunk#1 male.

This is a setup for a flaming session. Asking which breeders people think are bad is pretty much asking for a flame sesh. It's definitely good that you want to figure out who has bogus autos, but we have a section for that on the forums. Look in the seed bank/strain reviews. As far as the comment on nirvana it's just a hearsay rumor about their breeding said in a negative manner, also known as flaming. Not trying to knock you down irish, your post are polite and you seem like a nice guy, I just think there's more constructive things to do than spread rumors about breeders.

 

[Irish Pride]

thats not what this thread was ment to be. i wasnt askng for individual problems with breeders i was looking for the ones that everyone here seem to agree are better avoided. when you search the strain reviews forum you find individual threads of individuals flaming breeders because they couldnt gertm the seeds or whatnot. i've been collecting beans for about 10 years now and know who to stay away from with normal gear but this auto stuff is a whole new ball game. untill a few days ago when i started looking into auto's for the first time after hating on them for years i see tons and tons of breeders i've never heard of each offering tons of auto strains. searching individually which one succeded and which ones are a bust could take longer than a grow and i dont have time like that. im looking to grow outside this year and running out of time.


this thread honestly wasnt ment for a place to flame breeders for ever little problem a grower has. a good buddy of mine is a breeder at breedbay and just from talking to him and watching his forum i know all the crap breeders deal with. every time a noob screws up germing a pack of seeds the breeder is automaticly selling bunk beans that wont germ. everytime a noob with lightleaks herms a crop theres a thread saying the line is a hermy line. he's been begging me to send in some of my photo gear for testing for a while now but thats exactly the reason i dont. i dont want to deal with that crap so i definatly wouldtn want to add to that problem with this thread. i simple did not want to just go into it blind buying tons of seed from people i've never heard of and wasting a ton of money or spending 3 months researching all these people i've never heard of and missing out on outdoor season this year when i figured a simple post could sum it up.

i do feel a bit sour that im being put out there for starting this thread where i clearly stated im not looking for individual problems but instead the general consensus of the community here. my intentions were clearly stated and it should on those who contribute to the thread to make sure they stick to the question and leave out the personal attacks and flaming on breeders over individual problems. of all the forums i've frequented over the years since the days of overgrow and cannabisworld this is the only time i've seen this happen. any other time and place it was up to the contributing members to make sure they stayed on topic and did not start flaming and attacking and if they could not do that a mod deleted their posts and gave them a warning or punishment (temp posting ban, loss of privleges) and the thread was steered back on topic.

if that isnt how it works here then yes maybe you are right and it would be a good idea to just get rid of this now before that problem starts. i'd like to have the info but creating a problem or controversy is not my style.

 

[mitch_connor]

There was a thread some time ago on another forum, that people listed whether strains were 'True' Auto's or not. EDIT* I just read there is a strain review section above* (sorry still trying to navigate this place)

Back when the big Seed co's turned their hands to putting out AF strains there were quite a few reports on certain strains not Autoing which is frustrating (ive been there). This was when there were far far less AF's on the market and breeders out there. So since that time I'm sure issues have been straightened out.

I have this next information from a trusted source and don't mean to possibly offend any one company in particular. But many big companies out source/contract their strains and breeding. You would be surprised how much seed (millions) and strains (10's) are being produced by less than a handful of people. I read less of the NON-Autoing strains these days so I'm sure they've got a handle on things now.

My advise is simply don't buy blind, if money/time end result is important to you. Do some research, look for as many grow diaries other people have done as you can find and draw your own conclusions. I've long supported the smaller peeps out there as it's usually easier to get information and help if you need it. And I get the feeling that it is quality ahead of quantity for these guys and I respect the work they put in. Hopefully then a distinction can be made between bad seeds and grower error.

 

[AutoMan]

Don't understand why some people get so ??????about an auto that autos or not....I've grown those that did and those that didn't...doesn't matter....after vegging for 4-5 weeks, I throw'em all under 12/12 hps nad let'em rip...sure I have those that sex and flower under 24/0...and some that don't......but I always get a re[presentation of THAT strain auto to toke on...
That being said, Nirvana autos have always been a solid staple of my seed stock...Love their hardiness in all their strains I've grown....
Although I do like my autos to flower early so I can keep a schedule, I don't get hung up on it if it doesn't....just grow the stuff...it'll let ya know when it's ready...
Those complaining about autos not autoing may well have predisposed themselves due to grower negligence or error...not just because of the breeder....but we ALL like to blame someone other than our own ineptness...

 

[Mr Piggy]

I understand you may not have much time, but a lot of us here on the site have put in a bunch of time growing out strains and writing reviews for them. If you don't have the time to read carefully written summarized strain reports then you must truly be busy. If you're looking for good successful auto then it would be more helpful to look for the good ones rather than perceived failures. Normally I wouldn't have said anything but you were stacking new threads on top of each other in the indoor section asking strain questions when we have a strain review section for that already. I was also concerned about the "I heard a rumor" direction the thread was taking, I like more substantiated info in claims. Not trying to hate on you at all, just trying to make sure the sight runs smooth and help streamline your info finding for you.

Good luck and safe growing

Edit: It's also good to read grow reports as autos have vastly different growing needs than regular pot and a lot of the bunk results people get are from their misunderstanding of this.

 

[Irish Pride]

Don't understand why some people get so ??????about an auto that autos or not....I've grown those that did and those that didn't...doesn't matter....after vegging for 4-5 weeks, I throw'em all under 12/12 hps nad let'em rip.

thats all fine and dandy for you but i cant make the sun change its schedule and am after auto's to get them out, flowered, and harvested before the hunters hit the woods. in my area multiple hunting seasons start a few weeks before the outdoor growing season ends and runs right through winter so if you dont harvest before the hunting seasons start you've got to be trying to hide in the woods harvesting while people are hunting and shooting at anything that moves. either that or harvest premature buds. so yea if i pay for auto's i do want auto's and it does matter. in your case its no big deal but to me in my situation it is. i'd rather not have to cut down half the pack because it didnt auto so it doesnt get too large and make my locations easier to find. indoors this would be no problem just do the same as always start double what you want to end with and kill everything that is undesireable. or flip a timer and call it a day.

different strokes for different folks.

edit: didnt see your post mrs piggy. no problems. all part of settling into a new home and getting used to the local customs. ill cut back on the posting new threads

 

[mitch_connor]

Don't understand why some people get so ??????about an auto that autos or not....I've grown those that did and those that didn't...doesn't matter....after vegging for 4-5 weeks, I throw'em all under 12/12 hps nad let'em rip...sure I have those that sex and flower under 24/0...and some that don't......but I always get a re[presentation of THAT strain auto to toke on...
That being said, Nirvana autos have always been a solid staple of my seed stock...Love their hardiness in all their strains I've grown....
Although I do like my autos to flower early so I can keep a schedule, I don't get hung up on it if it doesn't....just grow the stuff...it'll let ya know when it's ready...
Those complaining about autos not autoing may well have predisposed themselves due to grower negligence or error...not just because of the breeder....but we ALL like to blame someone other than our own ineptness...

I think it can be a big deal man if something is not doing what it's advertised to do... Not everybody can afford to be so laissez-faire about it, if you are reliant on or others rely on you to produce their meds.

If you have planned on having something to smoke, or say cutting your AF's at 9 weeks, if you end up waiting and waiting for something to AF that doesn't then you're forced flip to flower after 5 weeks for example you could be waiting a total of 12-13 weeks and might aswell have grown a photoperiod strain you could have vegged/trained whatever.. and saved some leccy.

Plus if you are growing in a micro or small scale space indoor your non autoing 'AF's by the time you concede and flip to 12/12 are far too big for your space.

I like the fact AF's are so predictable to a degree, it makes the management of the plants and grow so much easier. Maybe it's just me..

 

[cres]

I dont see why you dont read, read ,read, then choose a strain with documented grow reports from someone who is not in bed with the breeder. Look around this site there are hundreds of good stable grows by very good growers I would look way more strain specific then breeder or breeding house specific as many or most breeding co dont produce there own seed from the big boys right down to the little guy who is unknown...

A large breeding house like greenhouse seeds sells thousands of seeds wholesale to XYZpdq seed co. and there simply relabled.....Happens all the time... So look what I'm saying...research the seed not the breeder...research the grows.... proof is in the grows from real growers. I see at least 10 strains being grown here at AFN and I know the strain names but dont have a clue who sells them. Because there being grown over and over with equal results....and if you look at a grow and say....there is no way that "jerky sweet" auto yielded a 1/2 lb then its most likely hype, wet weight or over played to look great.

Hope that helps...sorry I dont sell any autos...yet.