Indoor 2nd Thoughts; Round 2 With THINK DIFFERENT

I was feeding my sassy bush of buds last night, and observed that it was about the 5th day that she hadn't really showed any stretch, so when I feed her next, which should be Tuesday, I'll be starting the switch over to bloom nutes. I plan on giving her a light flush, nothing extreme, and then finishing with a light dose of nutes. I love this part! The next half is all about watching the buds grow big and fat, and fantasizing about yield sizes! Oh how I love growing my own weed! :pimp::peace:
 
I'm already fantasizing and I don't even have a bud on my bitch yet. I know my gf has to be sick of hearing about my plants. Every time I roll a joint or a blunt for us to smoke all I talk about is my plants while we're smoking. While I'm also telling her about all the money we will save once we can finally stop buying ounces. ;D
 
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TGB, you water with ph 5,8 as you say, what is outrun water ph then after 40 days?

I had just read the first side of your long thread, you talk about sativa dominant ladies liking acidic soil. In my last/recent grow, I have lowered ph to 6,2 because it was supposed to rise with time and I have watered more often with less overrun. I grow in Plagron LM.

I had not been testing outrun water ph frequently, did it the first time around day 40. It was around 5,9 and my plants, sativa dominant TD did not and do not like it at all. Now I am slowly rising it with dolomite lime and higher water ph (6,8).

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I have read some more of your long thread after writting upper text and I see your outrun ph is OK. But your plants have got similar leaf necrosis signs, as my ladies have, I connect it with too acidic soil, calcium is not available bellow 6,2, or hardly available better. Who knows?

Good Luck!
 
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If he shares with you the process he uses, throw that info my way, if you don't mind. My last dry, my rh was way low, so the buds dried out a bit faster and drier than I was wanting. Nothing too bad, but just not what I planned. I'm guessing the paper bag method will slow things down a bit, so I am wanting to give it a try so I can decide which method works better for me

If you want sucessfull drying and lack of experience, it is very good to buy small RH meter, like Caliber and some big jars at first.

Then you cut all buds and trim them immediatelly, to dry whole branches is better for retaining smell, but harder to control and harder to do nice trim later with dry leaves.

So, I cut buds, trim them, put them on a paper box and spread them around. Then they dry for some days (3-5), depending on air humidity. When I see they start to get crispy on surface, they go into jar first time. I close, put RH meter inside and see where they are. 84%, for example, after four hours. Too much. At this time, they may be closed in jars only for measuring purposes. After some hours in closed area, surfaces are not so crispy any more and they go out again for a day or so, it is very hard to explain these things using days, because RH is different and that matters how long and how intensive they dry.

I use jar for the same purpose as someone else uses paper bag, but in jar, I can control humidity precisely, because it can be sealed. Since there is only one hole in a jar, it must be turned more frequently as paper bag.

When RH reaches 75% they may rest in a jar, about one half fullfilled, opened of course and turned around very frequently. At this time 48 hours is enough to get mold on them if closed. Until they go down under 70RH, one must be very carefull about rotating frequently. If air RH is above 60, then 75% is too early for jar at all, if 45, they will dry much quicker and is not so dangerous. Why this dangerous keeping them in jar? Because they must dry slow. Very simple. Slow, but not too slow.

With measured RH around 70 (the real one is much higher, because water is still in the inner part of bud, comes out with time), if not too humid around, jars may be closed for some more time as before , lets say some hours a day, turned as many times as needed to keep buds separated and not sticked togehther. At 70 RH, mold needs a week or so to develop, if jar is closed.

When RH goes under 68-67, buds are slowly leaving mold dangerous area and jars should be more and more closed.All the time, all the decisions are RH measuring based. I repeat, this is measured RH, not real, because if you leave buds measured at 67% sealed for some time, they might go over 70 in few days.

Then RH must go down to 62%, smokers like 60-64%, if you ask them. In winter, when there is very, very dry in heated appartments, it is better to stop a little bit higher, at 65%, because with every opening of jar, very dry air comes in and one might finish with to dry stuff at the end of using it.

So, buds dry around 5 days or a week, then burp a week and burping slowly turns into curing.For my taste, TD needs exactly two months of curing for the best taste and smell.

Generally, jars need less and less opening when stuff gets drier, but one should measure RH from time to time, because RH gets higher, moist comes from inner part for some time, then it stops and buds are evenly dry. After a month, this RH changes become very minor.

TD never smells too much and drying buds more or less lose their smell after some days, no worry, it will recover with time.

Perfectly cured TD smells divine and the smell is very different from that one when they grow.

Hope it helps.
 
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Gonzo - I appreciate the drying and curing tips, as I dried my last batch a bit too fast, and will definitely benefit from some extra help! I didn't get the chance to prep my soil, so, even though I water with a low pH, my soil is still up around 6.4 - 6.6, so I really didn't get the soil pH down to where I wanted it to be so I could really see how my plant would react in a pH as low as 5.8. I was advised that sati dom strains thrive in lower pH's, and my plant has experienced less issues than my last, which suffered high pH, and deficiencies, so there might be some truth to that. The necrosis that you are referring to, I think that might be where the leaves were wetted with nute solution, but then again, I may be wrong. I'm still learning, so I really appreciate your pov, and hope you stop through again!:peace:
 
Gonzo - I appreciate the drying and curing tips, as I dried my last batch a bit too fast, and will definitely benefit from some extra help! I didn't get the chance to prep my soil, so, even though I water with a low pH, my soil is still up around 6.4 - 6.6, so I really didn't get the soil pH down to where I wanted it to be so I could really see how my plant would react in a pH as low as 5.8. I was advised that sati dom strains thrive in lower pH's, and my plant has experienced less issues than my last, which suffered high pH, and deficiencies, so there might be some truth to that. The necrosis that you are referring to, I think that might be where the leaves were wetted with nute solution, but then again, I may be wrong. I'm still learning, so I really appreciate your pov, and hope you stop through again!:peace:

TGB, I do not believe your plants would enjoy in 5,8 soil, I have two of them (TD, of course), that started incredibly fast and at day 40 buds were the fattest I had ever seen. But accidentally (lack of control, better to say) my soil became acidic (outrun 5,9) and it is obvious that they do not like it, they do not grow towards my personal record of 150g dry, pistils get brown to early, necrosis around some buds, etc. No very big deal, they will still finish well above 100g but.....

I am getting crazy about getting more than 150g per plant and seems that my try with lower feeding ph has failed. But everything looked so fine at the biginning.

If you want to get very good stuff, what TD definitelly is, proper drying and curing is the second half of the work. Growing is first half of it. And there is no way to get taste, smell and everything that we love so much without proper drying and curing. There is no way. No curing makes best buds taste the worst and proper curing makes poorly developed buds into acceptable if not good smoke. Garbage in, garbage out rule works here also, of course ;-)
 
When I compare pics of my two plants, the one from the previous grow and the one from the current, the one from the previous grow had bigger buds at this point, and it was fed at a higher pH, so I see what you're saying. But, it also had less bud sites, and more defficiency issues. The issues occurred once the pH climbed up towards 6.8, but finally seemed to come under control once I used some Aluminum Sulfate to drop the soil down to the low 6's. I still am learning how to adjust the pH of my soil, and I would love to do some side by side grows with different variables so I can learn more about the affects of soil pH, even when within the optimum range. I appreciate the knowledge, Gonzo. It's always good to have someone who knows, take the time to make sure that I know, too
 
When I compare pics of my two plants, the one from the previous grow and the one from the current, the one from the previous grow had bigger buds at this point, and it was fed at a higher pH, so I see what you're saying. But, it also had less bud sites, and more defficiency issues. The issues occurred once the pH climbed up towards 6.8, but finally seemed to come under control once I used some Aluminum Sulfate to drop the soil down to the low 6's. I still am learning how to adjust the pH of my soil, and I would love to do some side by side grows with different variables so I can learn more about the affects of soil pH, even when within the optimum range. I appreciate the knowledge, Gonzo. It's always good to have someone who knows, take the time to make sure that I know, too

Yeah, questions about the right feeding and watering seem to remain ever existing, even with some experience. I had changed method a little bit and had finished with different problems as before. But I am not sure that you need to grow many varieties to see different behaviour in stress. I run only TD and whenever it comes to stress, they show quite different reactions. If you take a look at my grow (link below) you see two plants grown in completely same conditions, but finished as they would be different strains. One is big with many, many budsites, a little bit fluffy and foxtailed and buds are not very densed, while the second one is smaller with less, but extremely densed buds.

I have just ordered ph meter, that I can use in soil and water and as soon as I get it I will measure soil to get some picture. Now I am more guessing with measuring outrun water only and that makes me sick.

http://www.digital-meters.com/chemi...8/lutron-soil-ph-meter-lutron-ph-220s-p74/s85

Good Luck!
 
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