Indoor 2nd grow, fem + reg seed run, BAP, CS/GA3, passive hydro.

[whatsgoodie]

Welcome back Noobalicious! Missed your posts bro.

What are those buckets you're using for the hempy, please do tell.. What's the volume of them?

EDIT: As far as the plants dying so young, it sounds as if they're dying during the uptake of something? Is the coco treated? The water? Are they DRYING off? You said it's upwardsof 90 degrees, any idea on the RH? What do the stems look like on the dead plants? Color? Shriveled? How do they appear? Skinnier than normal?

 

[HomeGrownRx]

glad to know i was missed! i would love to start working on some of the projects i had mentioned including:

cloning from leafs, using bap to induce stem production

working with grafting autoflowers to photoperiod dependent plants to induce flowering in 18/6 in the photo plant.

and geez a whole lot more. just got to get these damn seeds going. i expected troubleshooting with this new grow cabinet and its my first time with hydro. so im not terribly surprised.

my hempy buckets are 7 quart garbage cans from the dollar store, took a long time to find something of that volume and height that allowed me to fit so many in such a small space. they have 2 or so inches of perlite in the bottom and 1:1 coco perlite above. i am using black gold coco coir straight from the hydro store, i assumed it was good to go out of the bag.

the roots got soft sort of mushy where it came in contact with the seed coat. nothing appeared discolored, and there was already some chlorophyll right where the seed coat touched the root.

the coco is pretty wet, but its only from the reservoir which i keep filling up about 3 times a day. these hempy buckets are different than the final ones, im using 50ml plastic cups but with the same coco and perlite. there is a drainage hole about 1 inch up. maybe the reservoirs are too big and keeping the seeds too wet? that wouldn't surprise me.

the thickness of the root (only part that appeared on the seeds that died) was very much normal and especially with the SAS they looked very healthy.

relative humidity is currently at about 60%. i only have an analog humidity gauge and it doesn't have a min max setting.

im watering with 1/4 tsp floranova bloom (1 part) per gallon of water.

i just placed the surviving seeds out in the sun, im in sonoma county california so i cant help to think that may be their best place to be.

thanks for the help!

 

[whatsgoodie]

Man I've been dollar store hunting and I can't find anything similar, it's driving me nuts - those are like the perfect size for what I want to do - how are they for light proofing? @ 7 Quarts, I'd get some Cannazym or another root enzyme to run as with hydro once you do get rolling you're going to be packing those babies up.. don't want any root rot. Also if you'd like a one part nute system for straight through, check out Canna Coco A&B. It's for bloom through flower and quite proven.

Coco should be rinsed thoroughly with PH treated water of 5.8-6.0 before using it - there's often unwanted salts in coco that'll screw stuff up. Very few brands don't need to be treated and I don't think Black Gold is one of those brands. Watering hempy 3-4 times a day until the roots reach the reservoir is normal and necessary, so that's fine as well. Flora Nova bloom is 4-8-7, isn't it? That's WAYYYY too strong to be watering AF seedlings with. Even with 1/4 TSP per gallon. Typically you can get away with a mild fertilizer (fox farm big bloom or something of the sort) at 1/4 strength ... but a 4-8-7 NPK fert on auto seedlings is bad. It's probably also throwing the coco out of whack if it's not PH treated (rinsed thoroughly with 5.8-6.0 water). PPM isn't as important for coco as they are other hydro methods.

If you're watering with tap, I'd recommend letting it sit for 24 hours and just watering with straight tap. Ideally you don't want to run ANY nutes for the first week. Coco has no nutes in it.. but one week of straight tap is ideal, especially more so than a 4-8-7 fert.

Some say to feed with coco from day 1, I'd ask Thai Buddha Man for more info on this - he's a huge coco fan. I'd recommend if you feed ANY nutes you feed something with a much lower NPK. I'm assuming you're using the nuted water every time you water (3-4 times a day) ? Water with something a long the lines of big bloom (1-0.8-0.6).

 

[HomeGrownRx]

ok ill stop giving them any nutes. im going to stick with the floranova since i have no money at the moment to buy anything else. when i do start using the floranova ill start at a very low concentration maybe 1 1/8tsp or 1/16tsp per gallon and work up from there.

the enzyme stuff sounds wonderful, i am very worried about root rot. ill get some of that when the time comes.

i think it maybe best to put my newly sprouted seeds in soil then after a week or two (before rootlock) ill put em in the hempy buckets.


right now i have 2 regular himalaya blue diesels which just brok ground today and a fast bud #2 which just germinated today. i took all three out of the direct sun and have them in my cabinet with only a few lights on.

ill be ordering 3 replacement regular purple mazars (grrrrrr), 1 fem hbd and 2 regular hbds. im doing a seed and bud run here and id really like to get soem solid genetics. the chance of the 2 hbd's i have being one female and one male is just too low at the moment. i dont want to wait another 3 weeks to be disappointed then have to wait a week for delivery and another 3 weeks for the sex to show.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :no:

 

[HomeGrownRx]

update:

well the two himalayan blue diesel seeds that were looking like they may make it now appear to be dying... the fast bud#2 that i planted the other day in soil instead of hydro is developing much faster than all the other seeds, and is above the soil line with out any help from me and appears to be getting ready to shed its seed coat. ill post pictures of the 3 seedlings in a few minutes when my girl friend tells me where her cannon rebel is.....

good news though! let it be known that short stuff seeds, the company that sells the himalayan blue diesel has amazing customer service. i sent them an email, not asking for new seeds, but asking what i may have done wrong, they responded in less than 12 hours to ask for my address so they could send me 5 new regular hbd seeds! that is sooo incredibly generous, far above and beyond what i had hoped for.

with these new seeds, when they arrive, i will be starting them in soil instead of hydro. i have a lot of experience germinating seeds in soil and i feel that it is the best way to start these seeds. i see no problem with transplanting autos as long as i am careful. in the past ive had good luck with fox farm ocean forest to germinate and grow auto seeds in. i think ill be buying more of that, mixed with perlite and washed coco. something like 1:1:1 though when i do mix them i may vary it a little. i really like how the coco holds moisture for germinating seeds, but 50% coco holds far too much moisture and i think is a major contributor to the death of these seedlings.

the purple mazars where definetly more sensitive then the hbd to dying during the seedling stage. i think ill be replacing them in this grow with the purple ryder 9i believe it is the same as purple jems) they cost a little more but my experience with flash santa and this time around with the flash purple mazar has me wanting some stronger genetics. no offense to flash seeds, they just arnt for me.

 

[HomeGrownRx]

update:

The soil is working much better, i have a more consistent moisture level and no worries about nutrient levels. the fast bud #2 has been in soil since it germed. cotyledons are open, green and healthy.

a beef steak tomato was placed in one of the hempy buckets inside the cabinet. i watered it with 1/2tsp flora nova to the gallon. its the final test run for this cabinet, im watching the temps and humidity real close with the light on 24/7. ive lost a lot of seeds starting this time around going experimental, im sticking with my usual tried and true gardening methods for now. my himalayan blue diesels will be here soon, ill get some good pics as soon as i can find the damn camera.

i started a lemon skunk photo seed today in order to teach my brother how to grow. hes actually interested! (hes an adult btw)

 

[HomeGrownRx]

update:

The soil is working much better, i have a more consistent moisture level and no worries about nutrient levels. the fast bud #2 has been in soil since it germed. cotyledons are open, green and healthy.

a beef steak tomato was placed in one of the hempy buckets inside the cabinet. i watered it with 1/2tsp flora nova to the gallon. its the final test run for this cabinet, im watching the temps and humidity real close with the light on 24/7. ive lost a lot of seeds starting this time around going experimental, im sticking with my usual tried and true gardening methods for now. my himalayan blue diesels will be here soon, ill get some good pics as soon as i can find the damn camera.

i started a lemon skunk photo seed today in order to teach my brother how to grow. hes actually interested! (hes an adult btw)

 

[HomeGrownRx]

this is the fast bud #2. its femminized so im hoping to get it with cs to produce pollen. hopefully the hbd's will arrive in the mail soon.

 

[HomeGrownRx]

update

so im on day 16 with the fast bud number two. i expect it to start showing sex within the next week. also pictured is my grand daddy purple which i hope to make an autoflowering version of.

ive switched to maxigro by gh for both plants. they were showing nitrogen def. my himalayan blue diesel seeds are looking ok. one popped above the soil yesterday (or the day before?). im finding that these autoflower seeds seem to have a strange piece of seed hull that holds the cotyledons together. its not the main seed hull, its left on afterwards. im wondering if it was the cause of death in the first set of beans i tried. anyone have simialr experience?

 

[Griever]

oh snap awsome bro
granddaddy auto now thats what im talking about